BioShock 2 Dev Calls Console Wars "Silly"

[squid5580]

I disagree that they are silly. Fanboys are silly yes. The whole my console is better than your console is silly. And once they figure out how to make the same game (the exact same experience) for both consoles (since the Wii is a different beast entirely) the console war will be rendered silly. Until they stop with the "exclusive to this console" DLC, make games that run the same on both consoles and give us gamers the same deal no matter which console we decide to buy it on (like Dante's Inferno where buying it for the PS3 is a much better deal than the 360). Once multiplat developers stop treating one side like 3rd class citizens and the other like kings or queens the console war is anything but silly.

If the consoles are exactly alike, what is the point of 2 systems?

Differences are what make consoles flourish each generation.

I didn't say anything about the consoles being different. I did say that the games that are on both should be the same. It doesn't benefit Sony or MS to have this as much as it is hurting the actual developers. Think about it. If a devoper makes a multiplat game say Bayonetta. On the 360 it works amazing and on the PS3 you get a load screen to pause the game. it works out well for MS since they might be able t osell more consoles. It may hurt Sony a bit since people won't be buying new consoles for it. And who takes all the heat? The developers who should have either made it exclusive to one or made sure that both operate with the same standards. Exclusives should be the deciding factor.

 

[SendMeNoodz84]

Seeing as I have all three consoles I'll just say it: You can't talk shit about any console unless you have it...

Unless it's the Wii. I haven't played that thing in over year.

 

[solidstatemind]

Uhm, speaking from a psychological point of view, he kind of has it backwards: Confirmation Bias is what most fanboys use to support their irrational love of something, not what causes that irrational love. Need for affiliation is what causes the irrational love in the first place. Of course, Confirmation Bias is probably the more irritating part of the equation, at least to those who don't cleave to their point of view in mindless lockstep.

It's a subtle difference, but worth noting.

 

[Silva]

Tell it to 'em, 2K! That's more like it. It's time logic and reason trumped confirmation bias. We're all gamers, after all. There is no need to discriminate on basis of console, or to rip games because they're not on your system.

Ripping on exclusivity cartels and deals themselves, however, I heartily agree with, because such things just further the silly notion that there's some sort of "war" going on between these three main publishers. They're in it for a profit, and suffocating the others until they're out of business is unnecessary for that purpose. You're just giving them more control over you if you take up some sort of ridiculous company loyalty.

 

[Aura Guardian]

... (except Wii owners because their system's the worst obviously).

The fact that you said that with a Mario avatar is beyond ironic. So let me get this straight, The Wii is the worst because it doesn't have a 55% failure rate(Xbox 360), charging $100+ to repair a PS3 when it get's the yellow lights, and having to upgrade my PC in order to play games without it skipping. I'll stick with the system Ive been using for 4 years...The Nintendo Wii which is another reason why Nintendo kept themselves out of the "Console Wars".

 

[Bilbo536]

Wow, I kinda was under the impression the console wars had pretty much ended (among gamers, anyways). I haven't seen any fighting about it for a long time now and had assumed that everybody had grown past their infernal bickering in favour of an appreciation for all consoles and the acknowledgement that they each have redeeming qualities and great exclusive games, as well as a few faults they each need to work on. No?

 

[Silva]

... (except Wii owners because their system's the worst obviously).

The fact that you said that with a Mario avatar is beyond ironic. So let me get this straight, The Wii is the worst because it doesn't have a 55% failure rate(Xbox 360), charging $100+ to repair a PS3 when it get's the yellow lights, and having to upgrade my PC in order to play games without it skipping. I'll stick with the system Ive been using for 4 years...The Nintendo Wii which is another reason why Nintendo kept themselves out of the "Console Wars".

This is just horrifying. You've actually managed to turn a comments thread about an article that decries fanboyism, into a console war thread? This and the statement you quoted both stand as proof that "defending" a piece of equipment from "offensive" statements is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Aura Guardian]

... (except Wii owners because their system's the worst obviously).

The fact that you said that with a Mario avatar is beyond ironic. So let me get this straight, The Wii is the worst because it doesn't have a 55% failure rate(Xbox 360), charging $100+ to repair a PS3 when it get's the yellow lights, and having to upgrade my PC in order to play games without it skipping. I'll stick with the system Ive been using for 4 years...The Nintendo Wii which is another reason why Nintendo kept themselves out of the "Console Wars".

This is just horrifying. You've actually managed to turn a comments thread about an article that decries fanboyism, into a console war thread? This and the statement you quoted both stand as proof that "defending" a piece of equipment from "offensive" statements is beyond ridiculous.

The only reason why i chose his post is because he has a Mario icon. Everyone else is saying...well see for yourself.

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i like this guy. Every generation has a console war. This generation is actually very evenly matched (apart from the wii, which is shit), (i have a wii so i can say that)

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Seeing as I have all three consoles I'll just say it: You can't talk shit about any console unless you have it...

Unless it's the Wii. I haven't played that thing in over year.

Spoiler: This guy has the right idea

well...if they call it silly why dont they release it on the wii
viva the wii

Spoiler: And this user had flaws for all three systems

I stand outside the whole fanboy crap, this is because I believe every system has problems.

The Wii is a Frankenstein's monster, cobbled together of outdated technology. Designed specifically to appeal to people who still use the term, "New-fangled, gaming contraptions".

The 360 is a hastily built cash-in, with the life-span of a fruit fly. It caters to gamers who foam at the mouth and can't complete a sentence without liberal use of "F-Bombs" and/or "N-Bombs".

The PS3 is an overpriced, bulwark that boasts sophisticated technology that never gets utilized. It seems to attract people who consider themselves above the other two systems, but are still not bright enough to figure out how to work a PC.

In short, every console has a giant zit-like problem that needs to be worked out. I will not fanboy for any of them.

How can you defend the one system over another if you own both?

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I always thought the console wars were incredibly stupid. Which is why, and I'll say it again, I loved the last console generation because it appeared, to me at least, that the console wars had finally come to an end. *sigh*
Really why should you limit yourself to one gaming platform if you don't have to? I know I don't. The only current gen console I don't have right now is the PS3 and the only reason I don't have one is because a) I can't afford it and b) there's no games on it that interest me that aren't available on other platforms.
And even if you can only afford one of the consoles, why the fanboyism? Does it make you feel like you're a part of something? 'cause if so, congratulations you're a pod person.

 

[Talvrae]

BioShock 2 Dev Calls Console Wars "Silly"

Are you a diehard PS3 fanboy and registered Sony Defense Force member? Are you a member of Microsoft's legion of Xbots? If you are, then BioShock 2 developer 2K Marin thinks you're silly.

When the original BioShock came out, it was somewhat of a hot spot for fanboys: 360 owners rubbed the acclaimed game in the proverbial faces of everybody who owned the hated PS3, while said PS3 owners took every opportunity they could do pick on the exclusive ... until it actually came out for the console and said haters were forced to agree that it was actually kind of awesome.

This not-so-proud tradition was hardly limited to PS3 owners, though - how many 360 fanboys trashed Metal Gear Solid until Rising was announced? PS3 owners might blast Gears of War while Xbox 360 owners hate on Uncharted, but if the games were released on the competing platforms, you can bet that there'd be quite a few minds changed very, very quickly.

Speaking with Destructoid [http://www.destructoid.com/2k-marin-the-console-wars-are-a-bit-silly--162826.phtml], BioShock 2 creative director Jordan Thomas discussed the idea of fanboyism and how it applied to the console wars. "There's a cognitive effect known as 'confirmation bias' which leads people to latch onto conclusions that support their preferences and ignore data which doesn't," said Thomas, "This leads to wild, unreasoning loyalty to a chosen platform, sports team, or brand of soda."

"From a development perspective, the console wars are a bit silly; our target is consistency, and it's always kind of sad to see people throwing their energy into 'platform partisanship,' because it seems to flood the critical channels and drown out other creative discourse."

So do you hear that, fanboys? Every time you bash the other system for having exclusives that you secretly want, you make 2K Marin sad. And when you make 2K Marin sad, they send Big Daddies after you to punch holes in your chest with giant drills.

Fanboy at your own risk.

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I'm not big on console war... but it's funny it's the same poeple who had keep delaying the PS3 version cause the coding on that console was hell

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

Now if we could get Microsoft or Sony to do a similar press release, we may have so peace.

 

[VanityGirl]

Xbots? Sony Defence Force?

Please God don't tell me they actually exist.

My thoughts exactly.

BTW, who the hell bashed Metal Gear?! I think I may have died alittle inside.

I guess the good thing about owning all consoles is that I can safely defend and insult them. Then if someone calls me a fangirl, I can just take a pic of me with all my consoles.

But I'm glad the Bioshock 2 devs are against the wars! I wish there was a way to make it where PS3 and 360 owners could play together, maybe then we could bridge the gap!


Bioshock Devs: 1
Fanboys/girls: -9,000

 

[fletch_talon]

i like this guy. Every generation has a console war. This generation is actually very evenly matched (apart from the wii, which is shit), (i have a wii so i can say that)

And I really wanted to get in before the dumbasses started agreeing completely but for the exception of the Wii.

"Oh yes, I agree console wars and fanboyism are completely silly... Oh and the Wii is shit."

And the best part, you think this line of thinking is justified and valid because you own a Wii. I was so hopeful that an article that brings attention to the stupidity of the "this console sucks" mob would have deterred them from posting, but well here you are.

 

[Scrythe]

Wait, what's all this talk about "exclusive"? I had this game on PC before I even know it WAS on the 360, unless PC doesn't count as a legitimate gaming platform anymore - to which I notice console fanboys think it's not.

But whatever. I laugh at console wars. I think it's amusing to watch babies fight over their toys instead of enjoying them. Especially when they feel they have to defend the toy they're stuck with because Mommy and Daddy got it for them. My favorite part of these "wars" is how people will pull something completely out of their ass and present it as fact.

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Hell, just yesterday I had to shut up a friend of mine (Xbox Fanboy) who decided to just rip on the PS3 for no apparent reason. He was saying that the controllers only work for so long before you have to replace the entire unit because the batteries will crap out if you use them long enough; completely ignoring the fact that ALL rechargeable batteries will eventually lose their charge and that most of them are good for only a few thousand recharges anyways.

He also completely forgot that the 360 he worships so fucking much ALSO uses rechargeable batteries that will eventually lose their charge over a certain period of time, just like every device with rechargeable batteries.

But getting technical: even if you somehow reached this limit with a PS3 controller during it's not-that-fucking-long existence, replacing the battery on a PS3 controller is just as easy as changing one of these [http://www.g-maxx.com/images/speed_dis1000p.jpg] on a RadioShack brand R/C car. Seriously.

Okay, maybe I'm being unfair. Not everyone has the disposable income to be able to purchase all three systems and a PC that doesn't suck so they can have a more balanced opinion. Sorry. But really, that's still no reason why people have to be so prickish over something as trivial as why they feel the console The Parentals purchased for them is "teh super10r".

 

[qbanknight]

thanks 2K, screw Xbots, Sony fanboys, nintendo legions, PC exlcusive nerds, and...thats about it. handheld and iphone gamers keep quiet thank God.

 

[Infinatex]

Yeah it seems a bit trivial, all this fanboy nonsense. I think it's people trying to justify their purchase, hoping that they didn't pick the wrong console/brand etc. I've had a PS3 since launch day and it's been a faithful little funbox ever since. When Left for Dead came out I bought an Xbox and I grabbed a Wii for Smash Bros. To be perfectly honest they all do they same thing; just in different ways. I rate all three, but I'm not gonna go rep them all over the internet. Chances are if your on a forum like this one, you've already made your choice and who am I to tell you you're wrong.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

I actually agree. It is a bit silly to say a PS3 or an Xbox just sucks for no reason. I mean, you can't play LittleBigPlanet on 360 and you can't play Gears of War 2 on PS3. There's no reason behind it.

Now PC's... PC's are still the best and nothing can compare.

 

[Radelaide]

Oh yeah? Well MACs are better than PC's!

*jumps behind hedge

Oh.. oh snap..

 

[minnull]

I became a fan boy for a short period of time. It was two weeks after the Wii came out. I was obsessed with getting Nintendo to rise back up and reclaim the top spot in the gaming world. I really got out of gaming once the Sony Playstation 2 became huge. I was never really into the types of games that came out on PS2, Xbox. Gamecube kind of stopped trying once Nintendo started to lose the market. I missed the types of games I fell in love with on N64 and Sega Dreamcast. When I heard Nintendo was coming out with a new console and saw the trailer for Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess I nearly jumped out of my chair at work. So I bought a wii; another for my girl friend; one for my brother; convinced all my friends to buy one; Spread the word at work and so forth.

After about a year of that madness I gave up on Nintendo. The types of games I wanted to re-emerge so badly ended up either coming out sparingly or not at all. Now I use steam for PC gaming (started off as a 'try the new unreal tournament' curiosity and I've never looked back).

 

[commasplice]

I'm still waiting for the day when SEGA says, "Fuck this," and starts making consoles again. You know it's right around the corner...Right?