BioWare "Considering" Calls for New Mass Effect 3 Ending

[Abedeus]

300 hours invested and you are satisfied with "Yo dawg, I herd you don't like being killed by synthetics, so we made some synthetics to kill you every 50k years so you won't get killed by other synthetics"?

I do think that they badly explained at least that - its more 'organic life gets wiped out by synthetic life every so often, so we'll preserve all organic life by converting them into Reapers. There minds and essences will be preserved inside the near-unbreakable hulls!'. Which admittedly is still abit insane but at least has some logical structure to it.

No. My Shepard proved the damn God AI that he's wrong. Millions of years of cycles destroyed by one man, who united Geth and helped another AI develop into a living being with emotions and feelings that don't involve killing everything.

Shepard turns from Space Badass he was in ME1 and ME2, who thought against incomprehensible enemy of unimaginable power, and both times survived. Suddenly he's incapable of saying "Fuck you, you're wrong and I proved it, we'll do shit on our own"?

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34623-why-we-hate-me3s-ending

9 other reasons why the ending is pathetically bad. As a matter of fact, Matrix Revolutions, which I don't even consider canon at this point, had a better ending and more closure.

 

[Zen Toombs]

If Bioware manage to pull off what I think HOPE they're pulling off, it will be awesome.

Let's be honest here, we don't have much more than hope here.

 

[Doug]

300 hours invested and you are satisfied with "Yo dawg, I herd you don't like being killed by synthetics, so we made some synthetics to kill you every 50k years so you won't get killed by other synthetics"?

I do think that they badly explained at least that - its more 'organic life gets wiped out by synthetic life every so often, so we'll preserve all organic life by converting them into Reapers. There minds and essences will be preserved inside the near-unbreakable hulls!'. Which admittedly is still abit insane but at least has some logical structure to it.

No. My Shepard proved the damn God AI that he's wrong. Millions of years of cycles destroyed by one man, who united Geth and helped another AI develop into a living being with emotions and feelings that don't involve killing everything.

Shepard turns from Space Badass he was in ME1 and ME2, who thought against incomprehensible enemy of unimaginable power, and both times survived. Suddenly he's incapable of saying "Fuck you, you're wrong and I proved it, we'll do shit on our own"?

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34623-why-we-hate-me3s-ending

9 other reasons why the ending is pathetically bad. As a matter of fact, Matrix Revolutions, which I don't even consider canon at this point, had a better ending and more closure.

Oh, I'm not defending the idea of 'organics and synthetics just can't get along'. My Shep resolved the Geth/Quarian war in peace too. And I've watched the video. My point was that at least it would have explained the AI's point of view abit more clearer that 'you where going to be wiped out by synthetics of your own making so we decided to wipe you out with our's instead'.

The idea of preserving organic civilizations inside the computation mind (and maybe virtual reality?) of a Reaper could have actually created a better reason for the Reaper's to be built in the first place:

"Imagine if the Reaper's had not wiped out the Proteans - your species, Shepard, would have been slaves to their Empire. The Geth would have been exterminated. The Asari pets. By clearing away the Elder races of the Galaxy away and preserving in their ascended Reaper forms, we allow new civilizations to arise, free of the baggage of the past."

At least that would have had some merit as an argument.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

If Bioware manage to pull off what I think HOPE they're pulling off, it will be awesome.

Let's be honest here, we don't have much more than hope here.

Now you're just being pedantic

Bloody kids and their post editing ways.

 

[teh_Canape]

I'm fine with the ending I got, granted there's some questions unanswered for me, but it was good enough for my experience with it

Spoiler: speaking of the ending

I find it pretty silly of people saying that the "destroy the reapers" ending, which also kills the geth, is bad because they put so much effort into saving the geth only for them to be destroyed as well
it's not bad, it's the catch
you can save the galaxy from being exterminated but you will exterminate an entire race to do it

Spoiler

I would agree with you, but the child-god thing does an extremely poor job of saying why it's necessary. In fact, -why- is it necessary? In fact, why can't you say to the child-god thing 'umm, hate to blow a bubble in your 'solution', but we managed to get the creators and the created to calm down and play nice with each other this cycle. I don't see you're logic as being proven'.

As for the Geth and EDI needing to die, why? How? Sure, he's bound to have some form of off switch for the Reapers for this very scenario, but how is he going to kill all Geth and EDI in a single go?

It's bad because the logic either isn't their at all, or is poorly described at best.

Spoiler

dunno about EDI, a friend of mine did pretty much the same as I did, only that he chose other squad for the mission
he picked the destroy ending, and when the ship crash landed, EDI walked out of it, so yeah =P
also, you're right there, the holo-kid really is stupidly pointless
would've been redeemed if they, idk, put someone else instead of it, like an adult VI or some shit using Harbinger's voice
Harbinger's voice makes everything better

 

[Zen Toombs]

If Bioware manage to pull off what I think HOPE they're pulling off, it will be awesome.

Let's be honest here, we don't have much more than hope here.

Now you're just being pedantic

Bloody kids and their post editing ways.

Glad to help. ;-)

but you don't paint a new smile on the Mona Lisa just because the original's a bit flat.

Actually Andy, the Mona Lisa has been restored and worked on so many times now that one can say the Mona Lisa does have a new smile.

Technicalities ho!

Honestly though, this amused me.

 

[GloatingSwine]

I'm still a firm believer of the indoctrination theory.

If Bioware manage to pull off what I think they're pulling off, it will be awesome.

The trouble with the "indoctrination theory" is that it assumes that Bioware aren't the colossal retards they have shown themselves to be by first using then defending the ending that's in the game.

 

[Doug]

I'm fine with the ending I got, granted there's some questions unanswered for me, but it was good enough for my experience with it

Spoiler: speaking of the ending

I find it pretty silly of people saying that the "destroy the reapers" ending, which also kills the geth, is bad because they put so much effort into saving the geth only for them to be destroyed as well
it's not bad, it's the catch
you can save the galaxy from being exterminated but you will exterminate an entire race to do it

Spoiler

I would agree with you, but the child-god thing does an extremely poor job of saying why it's necessary. In fact, -why- is it necessary? In fact, why can't you say to the child-god thing 'umm, hate to blow a bubble in your 'solution', but we managed to get the creators and the created to calm down and play nice with each other this cycle. I don't see you're logic as being proven'.

As for the Geth and EDI needing to die, why? How? Sure, he's bound to have some form of off switch for the Reapers for this very scenario, but how is he going to kill all Geth and EDI in a single go?

It's bad because the logic either isn't their at all, or is poorly described at best.

Spoiler

dunno about EDI, a friend of mine did pretty much the same as I did, only that he chose other squad for the mission
he picked the destroy ending, and when the ship crash landed, EDI walked out of it, so yeah =P
also, you're right there, the holo-kid really is stupidly pointless
would've been redeemed if they, idk, put someone else instead of it, like an adult VI or some shit using Harbinger's voice
Harbinger's voice makes everything better

Spoiler

"Shepard, we are the Harbinger of your audit. We bring your financial rebalancing through destruction"

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I'm still a firm believer of the indoctrination theory.

If Bioware manage to pull off what I think they're pulling off, it will be awesome.

The trouble with the "indoctrination theory" is that it assumes that Bioware aren't the colossal retards they have shown themselves to be by first using then defending the ending that's in the game.

Well that's the whole point.

What better way to indoctrinate Shepard then making the player also believe that the ending is the 'true' ending.

 

[maninahat]

I'm not sure the Mona Lisa metaphor quite fits.
And Fappy had a point about not actually having paid for the painting.

Anyway. This is actually all I wanted. I'd like to see a new, better-written ending, but the fact that they're even just considering it based on feedback is completely satisfactory for me.

Even if he had paid for the painting, he doesn't actually get a say in how the painting should look. He isn't a major shareholder or a producer, and he didn't commission the painting or the game. So if he doesn't like the end product, tough. For his money, all he was entitled to was a Mass Effect game.

 

[Lunar Templar]

i would be impressed if all the whining to get to this point didn't seem so infantile,

congrats, trantruming 2 year olds, you got the toy .....

 

[maninahat]

I'm fine with the ending I got, granted there's some questions unanswered for me, but it was good enough for my experience with it

Spoiler: speaking of the ending

I find it pretty silly of people saying that the "destroy the reapers" ending, which also kills the geth, is bad because they put so much effort into saving the geth only for them to be destroyed as well
it's not bad, it's the catch
you can save the galaxy from being exterminated but you will exterminate an entire race to do it

Spoiler

I would agree with you, but the child-god thing does an extremely poor job of saying why it's necessary. In fact, -why- is it necessary? In fact, why can't you say to the child-god thing 'umm, hate to blow a bubble in your 'solution', but we managed to get the creators and the created to calm down and play nice with each other this cycle. I don't see you're logic as being proven'.

As for the Geth and EDI needing to die, why? How? Sure, he's bound to have some form of off switch for the Reapers for this very scenario, but how is he going to kill all Geth and EDI in a single go?

It's bad because the logic either isn't their at all, or is poorly described at best.

It might be a lousy defence, but I think Mass Effect has always been about finding silly excuses to throw dilemmas at you. They've never had any real logic behind the set up, its just mumbo jumbo used to set up the hard choices.

 

[goliath6711]

I am done.

I am officially and undeniably done with anything even remotely involved with this issue.

This is no longer something to be laughed at. This is no longer something to be pitied. This has officially crossed the line into lunatics trying to seize control of something they have absolutely no right or claim to. You're not some champion for the down-trotted. You're not some poor innocent mistreated consumer who is trying to fight back against the evil uncaring mega-corporation who's out to suck up as much money from their customers as possible. You're not some disgruntled fan who's merely expressing their displeasure at the ending of a series that you claim to love so much. You stopped being that the moment you thought it was a good idea to bring in the

FEDERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TRADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COMMISSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is even worse than this. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/3536-Going-Green-Part-II
At least DC was able to hold out against Hal's Emerald Attack Team (yeah, I'm still going to call them that) for 10 years. This doesn't look like it's going to last another 10 weeks. All I ask, Bioware, is that it not be mandatory so I can ignore it like the vile piece of pandering crap it is. Being able to completely ignore the stupider cases of clear and outright fan concessions is pretty much the only thing that saves this series for me.

If any of you out there don't understand why this demand for an ending change after the fact is such a colossal example of an spoiled brats throwing an over the top temper tantrum, then you're not going to understand and I'm not going to waste any more of my valuable time trying to make you understand.

I don't care how nonsensical the endings are. I don't care how many plot holes they create. I don't care how much or how I little they reflect your decisions. I don't care how ripped off you feel towards buying DLC that isn't mandatory to finish the single-player game (which is ironically what you're screaming for here essentially). I don't care if you don't get it. I don't care if you think that I don't get it. I don't care if you think I'm in EA and Bioware's pocket. I don't care if you think I'm just a blind fanboy. In fact, as far as Mass Effect goes, I'll wear that as a badge of honor. Because I when I encounter a particular issue I hate in a game that I otherwise like, I actually deal with it and refuse to let it ruin the entire game for me. For a long time I considered myself a Mass Effect fan that despises Mass Effect "fans".

So agree with me, disagree with me, I don't care. Just don't hold your breath waiting for a response. I'm seriously considering going over to the Bioware forums (since that's the epicenter of all this nonsense) and opening an account there just to more or less copy this (with some edits here and there for their forums). Oh, and for all of those who are gearing up to explain just how wrong I am, let me reiterate something that you clearly didn't catch the first time.

I. Don't. Care.

 

[krellen]

If you go see a movie, and don't like the ending, [.. d]o they give you your money back?

At most theatres? Yes, if you ask.

And Blu-Rays/Tapes/DVDs are imminently returnable.

The whole reason there's an outcry over this is that, unlike any other consumer product in the world, somehow video games have become unreturnable.

 

[Dalek Caan]

I just want to kill the Reapers and for my Shepard and Tali to be together to live out their lives on Rannoch. Happy endings are good endings.

 

[xchurchx]

I'm still a firm believer of the indoctrination theory.

If Bioware manage to pull off what I think they're pulling off, it will be awesome.

I think it would be silly for them not to run with it honestly. Most the work is done for them.

Of course, if they do run with it, prepare for a new firestorm of ME3 threads, this time with people gloating and calling all the haters of the original ending and/or indoctrination theory 'indoctrinated'. I'm all for them running with it, but I don't look forward to the Gaming Discussion forum being jammed up by ME3 threads for another month if this comes to pass.

And to think they could have avoided this all had they made 3 different endings and not 1 ending that is 95% the same and tweaked slightly 3 times. Weren't they originally bragging about having 16 different endings based on your actions, or did i just make that up?

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

I dont want no shitty added on fan pandering ending. I wont buy it or view it. Why would anyone want that?

 

[WanderingFool]

... but you don't paint a new smile on the Mona Lisa just because the original's a bit flat.

Except the guy that painted the Mona Lisa isnt around for us to complain about the flat smile.

Anyways, If they do add a new ending, I would prefer it to just be a simple refusal of the three choices. Something like whats here [http://arkis.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-3-Alternate-Endings-SPOILERS-289902125?moodonly=1]. Make all that crap we had to do in all three games mean something. That would probably be the most downloaded DLC pack in Bioware/EA history.

 

[DragonStorm247]

I thought everyone was overreacting. Then I saw the ending. The choices are sort of interesting on paper, but they are executed so poorly. One general cutscene that tries to blanket all the outcomes just isn't acceptable. I also would have liked to see Charm/Intimidate options available based on your Paragon/Renegade, decisions, and EMS. I also wanted a chance of failure, for the cycle to continue.

And did anyone else hate that child/catalyst/AI as much as I did. I so wish we could converse with Harbinger instead.