BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC
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People would be moaning if it was available to those that bought the collectors edition only. You would think people would be happy they get to use the character without having to buy the CE edition. Bioware didnt have to allow it. They are giving you the option to. It being day one dlc isnt an issue....how else are buyers meant to down load there code when they buy there game?
In other Mass Effect News!
It would appear that those Mass Effect:Space editions ended up caught in trees at least 150 feet up in the air! Mass Effect had this to say about the event.
Because none of us had predicted something similar happening, right?
Cursed Renegade copies of the game, trolling those fans who got to the site.
Anyways, back on topic, I don't have a problem with this, because it is stated to be an optional character, which I quoted from the Bioware source before (OMG Bioware are liars!!!) And then the Community Manager not having any problem with the game (OMG Bioware Propaganda!!!) So I personally have no problem at all with this. Of course I won't be seen probably from March 6th until the 12th, but that's fine.
It would appear that those Mass Effect:Space editions ended up caught in trees at least 150 feet up in the air! Mass Effect had this to say about the event.
After fans waited at the site, using slingshots to try and shoot the capsule down, EA finally decided that safety was too big of a concern, especially when folks attempted to climb that tree.
Because none of us had predicted something similar happening, right?
Cursed Renegade copies of the game, trolling those fans who got to the site.
Anyways, back on topic, I don't have a problem with this, because it is stated to be an optional character, which I quoted from the Bioware source before (OMG Bioware are liars!!!) And then the Community Manager not having any problem with the game (OMG Bioware Propaganda!!!) So I personally have no problem at all with this. Of course I won't be seen probably from March 6th until the 12th, but that's fine.
"Sir... Our Ultimate Marketing Plan of Absolute Evil has failed."tendaji said:
"WHAT?! How did this happen! Who is responsible?!"
"Sir... It appears the games are stuck on some trees. The fans can't retrieve them."
"Ah, crap. It would've worked, too, if not for those meddling kids!"
Why cant Bioware release all their DLCs for free? All DLCs for the Witcher 2 are free, including the upcoming Enhanced Edition. It just strikes me that a relatively small Polish studio can afford to realese it all for free when a big studio like Bioware "have" to charge for it.
As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
As far as I am concerned, Bioware does not give a rats arse about those who buy their game. They only want your money, and they don't care about if you never play it after you buy it either. While i get the impression that CDproject care more about their game and that the people who play it should have the most complete "gaming experience" as possible rather than money.
CD Projekt gave away all their DLC for free.Spartan753 said:
You want to know what happened? People still pirated the shit out of Witcher 2.
So expanding the story through DLC=bad.Android2137 said:
Optional characters already exist in the story as-is. I'm pretty sure you can't get all the dialogue options on one playthrough, but adding more options is wrong because....
Still haven't gotten around to Witcher 2, and know nothing about it, its DLC, or its company, but two letters are all you need to know about the difference between some Polish company and Bioware. EA. There ya go, the mystery is solvedSpartan753 said:
. Back on topic, I'm not a big fan of day one DLC, but flat out calling a company liars with no proof or any kind of solid evidence? I hate that even more. Ignorance is not bliss when it comes from a fan/hater base, it's either headache-inducing stupid or gut busting hilarious. And yes I am aware many people probably said something similar, but I feel the need to keep this going because gosh darn it I just want Zeel to come back!
So what? People would pirate the shit out of the Witcher 2 anyway. And despite restrictive copy protection, people will pirate the shit out of Mass Effect 3. People will likely pirate the shit out of the paid DLC, as well.Daystar Clarion said:
It's what pirates do. Which brings me back to "so what?"
Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.Daystar Clarion said:
And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together
I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.dyre said:Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.Daystar Clarion said:
And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together
Eh, well, it's hard to measure the tangible benefit that goodwill towards a company creates, but I'm sure there is some benefit. In other industries, it might save you from costly regulation or from people leaving to purchase from more ethical competitors.Daystar Clarion said:I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.dyre said:Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.Daystar Clarion said:
And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together
In the gaming industry, I dunno, it might get you some more sales from pirates who buy the occasional game on a steam sale or w/e. As someone who buys only a small portion of the games I play, I did end up happily buying Witcher 2.*
*this statement in no way implies that I pirated the portion of games I didn't buy.
It's not about pirating, it's about how they treat their customers. And the fact that CDproject is still very much against DRM, even though Witcher 2 gets pirated the shit out of, shows that this company really cares about the GAMERS, and not about making the most amount of money exploiting us (like Bioware do).Daystar Clarion said:I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.dyre said:Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.Daystar Clarion said:
And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together
I refuse to believe that EA is the entire reason behind it. And even if they are, the people who work at Bioware doesn't seem to protest to much to what EA does. Please correct me on the last one if I am wrong. I do want to be wrong.
Oh, I agree with you, and I really like the business practices of devs like CD Projekt. But money makes everything they do possible, and sometimes, charging for DLC is that little extra cash that might make all the difference.Spartan753 said:It's not about pirating, it's about how they treat their customers. And the fact that CDproject is still very much against DRM, even though Witcher 2 gets pirated the shit out of, shows that this company really cares about the GAMERS, and not about making the most amount of money exploiting us (like Bioware do).Daystar Clarion said:I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.dyre said:Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.Daystar Clarion said:
And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together
I refuse to believe that EA is the entire reason behind it. And even if they are, the people who work at Bioware doesn't seem to protest to much to what EA does. Please correct me on the last one if I am wrong. I do want to be wrong.
Not this time, though. Even if ME3 didn't have any DLC whatsoever it would be much more profitable than The Witcher 2 could ever dream of.Daystar Clarion said:Oh, I agree with you, and I really like the business practices of devs like CD Projekt. But money makes everything they do possible, and sometimes, charging for DLC is that little extra cash that might make all the difference.Spartan753 said:It's not about pirating, it's about how they treat their customers. And the fact that CDproject is still very much against DRM, even though Witcher 2 gets pirated the shit out of, shows that this company really cares about the GAMERS, and not about making the most amount of money exploiting us (like Bioware do).Daystar Clarion said:I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.dyre said:Daystar Clarion said:
Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.
And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together
I refuse to believe that EA is the entire reason behind it. And even if they are, the people who work at Bioware doesn't seem to protest to much to what EA does. Please correct me on the last one if I am wrong. I do want to be wrong.
EA is really milking the cow with this one.
I do agree with you there, and I am happy to support some developers who needs money by buying DLCs, but I hardly think Bioware "need" that money. Seems to me like its more of a "we do it because we can". That is an attitude I really dont care for. And what is worse is they try to defend themselves. Cant they just be honest and say that they charge for DLCs because they want to be even richer than they are. I might actually start buying Bioware products again just for the refreshing honestyDaystar Clarion said:Oh, I agree with you, and I really like the business practices of devs like CD Projekt. But money makes everything they do possible, and sometimes, charging for DLC is that little extra cash that might make all the difference.Spartan753 said:It's not about pirating, it's about how they treat their customers. And the fact that CDproject is still very much against DRM, even though Witcher 2 gets pirated the shit out of, shows that this company really cares about the GAMERS, and not about making the most amount of money exploiting us (like Bioware do).Daystar Clarion said:I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.dyre said:Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.Daystar Clarion said:
And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together
I refuse to believe that EA is the entire reason behind it. And even if they are, the people who work at Bioware doesn't seem to protest to much to what EA does. Please correct me on the last one if I am wrong. I do want to be wrong.
zinho73 said:Not this time, though. Even if ME3 didn't have any DLC whatsoever it would be much more profitable than The Witcher 2 could ever dream of.Daystar Clarion said:Oh, I agree with you, and I really like the business practices of devs like CD Projekt. But money makes everything they do possible, and sometimes, charging for DLC is that little extra cash that might make all the difference.Spartan753 said:It's not about pirating, it's about how they treat their customers. And the fact that CDproject is still very much against DRM, even though Witcher 2 gets pirated the shit out of, shows that this company really cares about the GAMERS, and not about making the most amount of money exploiting us (like Bioware do).Daystar Clarion said:I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.dyre said:Daystar Clarion said:
Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.
And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together
I refuse to believe that EA is the entire reason behind it. And even if they are, the people who work at Bioware doesn't seem to protest to much to what EA does. Please correct me on the last one if I am wrong. I do want to be wrong.
EA is really milking the cow with this one.
Maybe EA is at a stage where they think.Spartan753 said:I do agree with you there, and I am happy to support some developers who needs money by buying DLCs, but I hardly think Bioware "need" that money. Seems to me like its more of a "we do it because we can". That is an attitude I really dont care for. And what is worse is they try to defend themselves. Cant they just be honest and say that they charge for DLCs because they want to be even richer than they are. I might actually start buying Bioware products again just for the refreshing honestyDaystar Clarion said:Oh, I agree with you, and I really like the business practices of devs like CD Projekt. But money makes everything they do possible, and sometimes, charging for DLC is that little extra cash that might make all the difference.Spartan753 said:It's not about pirating, it's about how they treat their customers. And the fact that CDproject is still very much against DRM, even though Witcher 2 gets pirated the shit out of, shows that this company really cares about the GAMERS, and not about making the most amount of money exploiting us (like Bioware do).Daystar Clarion said:I've always just thought it funny that devs will do things to gain good will, and it still means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They'll still get pirated to hell and back.dyre said:Did they ever get actual stats on Witcher 2 pirated copies? I was under the impression that the devs just guessed the number of pirated copies based on a "for every one game sold, four are pirated" estimate done by some organization somewhere at some point.Daystar Clarion said:
And in any case, no one said ethics and profits always go together
I refuse to believe that EA is the entire reason behind it. And even if they are, the people who work at Bioware doesn't seem to protest to much to what EA does. Please correct me on the last one if I am wrong. I do want to be wrong.
'Hmm, nobody is going to like us any more whether we give away this DLC for free or not, so fuck it. More moneyz'
"Dear Goddy, it appears fairness is dead in the Gaming industry..." This is from a member of a forum I blog for.
"The defence put up by Casey Hudson and Michael Gamble in regards to the "From Dust" Day one DLC is spurious at best. Whether or not it was EA that demanded this story crucial material be discluded from the main game is irrelevant. The fact that Bioware, a well respected developer for over 10 years, can put such an irresistable carrot on a 10 dollar string and attach it to a stick on the gaming communities backs is a dirty business tactic and one that will ultimately come back to damage their reputation even further post Dragon Age 2. Sooner or later, there will be nowhere left to hide for the fleecers and racketeers that now smell the freshly baked pie of ignorance that now wofts from the gaming world.
[Name withheld]"
While I have stated in my other thread that I have already purchased Mass Effect 3 and fully intend to play it, I ultimately have to agree with him, and to add further to his statement, for respected figures at Bioware such as Casey Hudson of all people to come out and toe EA's line is both surprising and saddening. You would never see Gabe Newell come out and seemingly lie in the face of Valves fanbase.
In a perfect world, Bioware and any other cultivator of decent products in the gaming industry would have the financial power to go it alone, but the reality is somewhat different, and it is a circumstance that we will inevitably have to put up with.
That's the point I have been making from day one: No amount of boycotts or forum protests will change the direction of the current. EA will make millions off Mass Effect 3 and will know full well that any minority of gamers that have taken up the sword against their swindling will soon falter and give up, what I like to call the Heart of Wallmart effect.
"The defence put up by Casey Hudson and Michael Gamble in regards to the "From Dust" Day one DLC is spurious at best. Whether or not it was EA that demanded this story crucial material be discluded from the main game is irrelevant. The fact that Bioware, a well respected developer for over 10 years, can put such an irresistable carrot on a 10 dollar string and attach it to a stick on the gaming communities backs is a dirty business tactic and one that will ultimately come back to damage their reputation even further post Dragon Age 2. Sooner or later, there will be nowhere left to hide for the fleecers and racketeers that now smell the freshly baked pie of ignorance that now wofts from the gaming world.
[Name withheld]"
While I have stated in my other thread that I have already purchased Mass Effect 3 and fully intend to play it, I ultimately have to agree with him, and to add further to his statement, for respected figures at Bioware such as Casey Hudson of all people to come out and toe EA's line is both surprising and saddening. You would never see Gabe Newell come out and seemingly lie in the face of Valves fanbase.
In a perfect world, Bioware and any other cultivator of decent products in the gaming industry would have the financial power to go it alone, but the reality is somewhat different, and it is a circumstance that we will inevitably have to put up with.
That's the point I have been making from day one: No amount of boycotts or forum protests will change the direction of the current. EA will make millions off Mass Effect 3 and will know full well that any minority of gamers that have taken up the sword against their swindling will soon falter and give up, what I like to call the Heart of Wallmart effect.
