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Ironic Pirate

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TheDarkEricDraven said:
Bisexual here! I've never faced discrimination from any gays, but then, I don't know any. However, I'm also Otherkin, and the OK community does something similar to so called "god-kin" or "otaku-kin". And then there is the minority of those who limit their spiritual selves to "real" animals, but stereotypically think of themselves superior to those who believe their spiritual selves to be mythological species.
Otherkin? Never heard of that before, would you mind enlightening me?

Anyway, is it possible to be bi but not like gay sex? I'm attracted to guys and girls (leaning towards girls though) but don't like oral or anal sex. Speaking as a virgin though, the concept doesn't excite me.
 

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Ironic Pirate said:
Anyway, is it possible to be bi but not like gay sex? I'm attracted to guys and girls (leaning towards girls though) but don't like oral or anal sex. Speaking as a virgin though, the concept doesn't excite me.
Well, by definition, no. That is not possible. You are supposed to be sexually attracted to both men and women. If you find the image of a man appealing, but not sexually appealing, you are not bi. I'm not officially studied on the issue, though, so someone else might have a better answer for you.
 

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Have to agree with the previous post, but I suppose it depends on the degree of attraction. In some of my classes this semester, there's a girl I find kinda cute--she's smart and pretty and all that stuff. I wouldn't mind hanging out with her. If that makes me bi, despite the fact that the thought doing anything sexual with her (or any other girl, for that matter) is a turn off, then that's news to me.

I think everyone is capable of being attracted to members of both sexes to some extent; I don't think that makes everyone bi, regardless of whatever the Kinsey scale concept implies. For all intents and purposes, it's probably safe to say you're straight.
 

Cheery Lunatic

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Ilikemilkshake said:
The main stigma about Bi's from where i live is that they're only "Bi" for the attention.
Same.

Except instead of it being teenage girls, it's just as often hipster guys who do it to look "sensitive" and "mature".

I have met a few legit bisexuals though.
 

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Let me make this clear, Bisexuality is real.

HOWEVER, I have met (and dated) several peeps who loudly shout their bisexuality from the rooftops but clearly play for one side. They do it for cult cred, to appear more attractive or just to be seen as different. This especially happens with hipsters I've known who just say it all the time without anything to show for it. I'm not saying everyone's a faker or that I needed their entire sexual history on file but saying it for attention has become a cliche and that's only because it happens. I'm not surprised you were treated the way you were OP and I'm sorry but each group, even if they've been persecuted finds a smaller group within that group to persecute. Bisexuals just seem to have been left holding the bag.

On another note, as an equal rights advocate I've always found LGBT societies a bit of an odd cookie as societies go. Sorry to sound like a dead horse flogger but the concept has exclusivity written all over it. If it was a gay society, a lesbian society that's one group but as it stands they are an "everyone but the straight folks" society. Always found that a bit odd. Same with Gay Pride Parades. Always thought they should be called Sexual Freedom Parades to allow everyone to celebrate their beliefs on sex, gay, straight, furry, whatever.
 

ABAP

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Images said:
On another note, as an equal rights advocate I've always found LGBT societies a bit of an odd cookie as societies go. Sorry to sound like a dead horse flogger but the concept has exclusivity written all over it. If it was a gay society, a lesbian society that's one group but as it stands they are an "everyone but the straight folks" society. Always found that a bit odd. Same with Gay Pride Parades. Always thought they should be called Sexual Freedom Parades to allow everyone to celebrate their beliefs on sex, gay, straight, furry, whatever.
The "LGBT societies" of most schools are called "Gay-Straight Alliances." There's nothing really exclusive about them. An example of where the term LGBT might be used appropriately is in the "LGBT rights movement," because straight people aren't an oppressed sexual minority. Furthermore, renaming gay pride parades to sexual freedom parades would dilute the message, because the rights of furries aren't really a major concern of anyone right now, I think.

In recruiting, both of the GSAs I've joined have stressed the fact that you don't need to be gay to join. The president of my high school's GSA my senior year, the only year in which I was involved, was a dude in a long-term heterosexual relationship. The president of my college's GSA is a straight girl.

I don't know what everyone else's experience has been, but most of the LGBT societies I've known have been inclusive of straight people.
 

GoaThief

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Just to go against the general grain of this thread which seems to go along the lines of, "Bisexuals are fine, but they may get a bad rep at times from poser bisexuals who really aren't bi. I hate those types, don't you?", I think it's quite possible that those aforementioned poser types could indeed be bi yet completely physically inexperienced in one field of sexual orientation. Bi-curious might not be a term they are familiar with or indeed relate to because that individual knows they are bisexual yet haven't had the physical experience by that moment in time.

For the record, I am straight.
 

Connor Lonske

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Better that having everyone think your sexuality doesn't even exist in the first gob damn place. Like here.

Maybe I should tell people I'm trap sexual and just pretend I never did not really care about gender and the fact that I could date anyone.
 

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ABAP said:
Images said:
it stands they are an "everyone but the straight folks" society. Always found that a bit odd. Same with Gay Pride Parades. Always thought they should be called Sexual Freedom Parades to allow everyone to celebrate their beliefs on sex, gay, straight, furry, whatever.
Furthermore, renaming gay pride parades to sexual freedom parades would dilute the message, because the rights of furries aren't really a major concern of anyone right now, I think.
Yeeeah. weren't quite getting the message really. I think the key word was WHATEVER. Whatever someone is. I mereley named furries as an off the wall example. My point was, if a whole city centre is being shut down for a parade about sexuality it should be a celebration of everyone's sexuality. Surely straight people, gay people, people who get off on midget love all deserve to be celebrated?

The wholepoint of the thread I believe was to discuss non acceptance of a particular sexual orientation around other sexual orientations. Part of that is the whole pigeon-holing of sexual orientation with themes. Just as bisexuals may be mocked as posers or straight people mocked as uptight, lesbians as butch, gay men as campl bla bla bla. I thought this idea of exclusivity is pertinent. If I bite though, I would be quite interested if furry rights are being oppressed! I mean, god knows how, but I need to know now! Non-skin sensitive costume washing detergents being withheld?
 

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jboking said:
Nimcha said:
The Kinsey Scale is also very old and quite outdated. :)
How is it outdated as a scale of sexual orientation? I feel it should probably include Asexual, which it doesn't, but how else?
Actually they do its an X I think.
 

GoaThief

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Images said:
I would be quite interested if furry rights are being oppressed!
I'd think so. In the UK a discrimination bill was passed which covers religious beliefs, race, nationality, sexual orientation (LGB)... the usual suspects in other words. However, around the time a female teenager was savagely beaten to death by a group of people purely because she was a goth and dared to be walking home with her boyfriend. Some alternative press such as Bizarre Magazine ran campaigns to have discrimination based on physical appearance to be included in the bill but politicians and much of the public at large would have none of it. Obviously the rights of anyone who looks different are of no concern to many, including groups who are discriminated against themselves, who should really know better. Instead of the unusual united grouping that saw religious people supporting gays and the like, people of alternative appearance were shunned.

I'd stake money on nearly every single person who looks different from society's norm (not just goths, but furries, hippys, transvestites, whomever) knows someone who has been abused emotionally or physically due to their appearance. Why is it that the legal system is not representing these groups equally? Things need to change.
 

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jboking said:
Ironic Pirate said:
Anyway, is it possible to be bi but not like gay sex? I'm attracted to guys and girls (leaning towards girls though) but don't like oral or anal sex. Speaking as a virgin though, the concept doesn't excite me.
Well, by definition, no. That is not possible. You are supposed to be sexually attracted to both men and women. If you find the image of a man appealing, but not sexually appealing, you are not bi. I'm not officially studied on the issue, though, so someone else might have a better answer for you.
Not exactly, you don't have to like the idea of physical intimacy, same as you can be celibate and straight.
 

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I blame the pathetic human need to find identity in everything. People won't settle for being gay (or straight), they need their hand held in being told that they're the 'right' kind of gay. And what better way to do that than create a wrong sort by co-opting another minority and making bisexuals into the enemy.
 

omega 616

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To me there are 4 things you can be, straight, gay, into none or into both. There are no more camps, I know there are people who claim to be something else but it just sounds really nit picky to me.

Each group has as much right to be as any other.

I do feel there are a lot of people claiming to be bi that aren't, I know a girl who claims to be bi but during her 22 years of life hasn't done more than kiss a girl and these days girls kissing means fuck all ... plenty of girls are straight but have kissed plenty of other girls.

As for this "all people are a little bi" no, there not. I have absolutely no desire to have any kind of man on man action with any guy, I feel awkward shaking a guys hand. I have nothing against gay people, used to live with a couple of gay guys but it's not for me.

It's like saying everybody is a little bit asexual.
 

Ironic Pirate

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jboking said:
Ironic Pirate said:
Anyway, is it possible to be bi but not like gay sex? I'm attracted to guys and girls (leaning towards girls though) but don't like oral or anal sex. Speaking as a virgin though, the concept doesn't excite me.
Well, by definition, no. That is not possible. You are supposed to be sexually attracted to both men and women. If you find the image of a man appealing, but not sexually appealing, you are not bi. I'm not officially studied on the issue, though, so someone else might have a better answer for you.
It's not that I don't find them sexually appealing, just that I don't like anal or oral sex. Don't like that with girls, either, it just doesn't appeal to me.
 

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I'm a legit bi woman, and I've been fortunate not to run into this situation very often. In college my friends (hetero and homo) were thrilled for me that I was bi and that I could see both sides to their separate attractions. But honestly yes, it irritates me to no end that because of these stupid stereotypes and people doing it for attention, I'm taken less seriously by others in the LGBT community.
 

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Qitz said:
Also that there isn't a lot of known adult bisexuals (at least that I know of,) there are for gays and straights so the whole "It's just a faze" thing carries more justification to them.
I suspect that's due to people settling down with a single partner as they get older. There could be a lot of bi people out there who are happily in gay or straight relationships, leaving you with no reason whatsoever to assume that they are in fact bisexual.

jboking said:
Edit: I really wish there was someone in here that agrees with/could better defend the treatment of bisexuals in gay communities. I really want to better understand that side of this issue more.
I don't think there's a legitimate argument in favour of their treatment. It's just a number of prejudices coming out. Some of them will be assumed to be bi for the attention, some will be assumed to be gay but not willing to admit to it, and some will be assumed to be straight but there to try and get with the ones who are 'bi for the attention'. There's also possibly some bitterness, given that anyone with a broader spectrum of attraction can (should they choose to) avoid the negative attention that homosexuality sadly attracts.

Very few people seem to be willing to admit that bisexual people actually exist - that's horrendous in society as a whole, but so much worse coming from a group that has been discriminated against forever.
 

Gmans uncle

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Okay, let me try and display my thoughts in the best way I can...

I'm Bisexual
Allow me to say something to those who honestly think that we are "clamoring for attention" or that it "doesn't really exist"...

I am defiantly Bi
how do I know I'm not really just gay or strait?
Well, for a long time I thought I was strait, then I found myself physically attracted to a male for the first time (or at least the first time I would admit it to myself) when I was around 15. At first I dismissed it as an isolated incident, thinking I was just confused or something, but after similar things kept happening repeatedly I couldn't deny it anymore, this attraction I was feeling, this was real, there was no way I was strait, and for a time I just thought I was gay. But then I realized that all those times I was attracted to women in the past, those where real as well, I couldn't honestly say that that was all fake or just me conforming to what I thought my orientation was. So I put two and two together and concluded that I was Bisexual with a slight male slant and then, even with all of that worked out, I didn't get the nerve up to come out for almost another 2 years.
I ask you,
Had I been doing this for attention, why would I wait 2 bloody years to do it?
If it doesn't exist, than how do you explain the genuine physical attraction I feel to both sexes?
Bisexuality is real
just as real as homosexuality
just as real as heterosexuality
I'm living proof.
 

jboking

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.No. said:
What would asexuals be? The outcasts of outcasts of outcasts?
I don't think outcasts consider themselves to be part of the LGBT groups. They consider themselves wholly other. It would be more appropriate to just call them outcasts as opposed to outcasts of outcasts of outcasts, as it implies they belong categorically to two other groups.