Chances are that everyone who uses a swastika uses it to be controversial so they deserve any punishment they get.
Black Ops Swastika Emblems Will Earn Xbox Live Ban
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Gee is microsoft going to ban Wolfenstein? That has Nazis in it.
Seriously who would give a damn about such a little thing while playing a video game? For that matter does anyone even pay attention to others gamer tags? This is stupid. Irregardless of any reason why anyone would have it on there.
Seriously who would give a damn about such a little thing while playing a video game? For that matter does anyone even pay attention to others gamer tags? This is stupid. Irregardless of any reason why anyone would have it on there.
In utmost, sincerest honesty: Why the fuck is this even worth the time necessary to ban? Christ, the sheer amount of political correctness in society is saddening.
Context matters, certainly, but considering that Treyarch's last game, World at War, was littered with swastikas and it was completely kosher...I just don't get the significance here. Did all those symbols, which are essentially 4 Ls mind you, cause every viewer to avert their eyes in disgust. It's people behaving immaturely when given anonymity and the tools necessary to do so publicly. So what?
Context matters, certainly, but considering that Treyarch's last game, World at War, was littered with swastikas and it was completely kosher...I just don't get the significance here. Did all those symbols, which are essentially 4 Ls mind you, cause every viewer to avert their eyes in disgust. It's people behaving immaturely when given anonymity and the tools necessary to do so publicly. So what?
As a Jew the swastika has a history of evil in relation to my culture/religion. It also has a benevolent meaning to many eastern religions and thought. yet, living in Korea I see it on a nearly daily basis and have gotten over it. It has a historical relevance. I say ban them on a case by case basis. I think freedom of speech comes first. Some people are far too sensitive to things and need to relax. I have the game being shipped to me and still have to wait to play the game but if the game itself uses the emblem than it is a double standard.
In the end, I think they are banning the use of the symbol due to the fact that they need a win. The controversy surrounding the assassination of Castro and other issues that have been brought up since its release have led them to take a stand and have something positive associated with the game besides how many copies were sold in the first week.
In the end, I think they are banning the use of the symbol due to the fact that they need a win. The controversy surrounding the assassination of Castro and other issues that have been brought up since its release have led them to take a stand and have something positive associated with the game besides how many copies were sold in the first week.
I'm against this. I agree, most people using the swastika would be trying to get a rise. But here's a solution. Ignore them. If I saw someone with a swastika, I'd make the assumption they were being a dick, I'd probably hope for their death (in-game... Of course) but I don't think their should be a ban on this. For two reasons. As people have pointed out, this is likely motivated by political correctness, meaning they will be very uncompromising, meaning any other symbol similar to the swastika is likely to result in a ban too. Which is stupid.
My major complaint though, is what happened to free speech. Yes, some people will be offended. But anything has the potential to offend people. As people have said, why not ban the christian cross? Or just the whole emblem thing. I think having swastikas, is a better situation than banning people for expressing themselves, even if they are only expressing themselves as immature idiots. I leave you, with the words of Steve Hughes.
My major complaint though, is what happened to free speech. Yes, some people will be offended. But anything has the potential to offend people. As people have said, why not ban the christian cross? Or just the whole emblem thing. I think having swastikas, is a better situation than banning people for expressing themselves, even if they are only expressing themselves as immature idiots. I leave you, with the words of Steve Hughes.
Yet again, what most people think it stands for, and what it actually stands for are two completely different things.Tdc2182 said:
I'm not at all saying that the Nazi Swastika isn't offensive. I'm saying the the enforcers of this act should look at how it's being used. There will be an obvious difference between some kid trying to troll, and a person using it for its other meanings.
Now, I'm not saying I support what the Nazi's did during that time; it was a horrible act of violence and discrimination and should have never happened.Atmos Duality said:
However, the other guy did make a point.
While the Nazi's killed millions of Jews purely because of Jews, think about some other groups. Firstly, Stalin, most of his men died because he commanded they died (Remember 'Not one step back!'?) and he basically employed suicide tactics, killing MILLIONS OF HIS OWN MEN. Before that, there was the Russian revolution, with liberal use of the Okhrana (Much like the Nazi Secret Police) who tortured tonnes of Russians and Tsarist with really inhuman methods (such as pressing a metal can to someone's stomach with a rat inside and heating the end of it so the rat will try burrow into the person's stomach).
...Is the flag of the USSR banable?
What about Pol Pot of the Khmer Rouge? Killed 2.5 million of his own people because he tried to 'restart' his civilization, going back to archaic methods. He killed his own people to stay in power AND through his ideals which gave the country far outdated methods in everything, mainly agriculture and medicine.
Is the flag of the Khmer Rouge banable?
Just because the Swastika was attached to such a horrible group with warped ideals doesn't mean it should be banable, as the Nazi's were probably the largest group. IF Stalin or the Khmer Rouge got more publicity, been in a bigger focal point, their emblems would be banned instead of the Swastika.
I see the logic in the ban, but I think the freedom should be allowed...something that happened so long ago maybe should be forgotten a bit.
If they are going to ban swastikas, they should ban other things too. If there's something that xbox wouldn't allow in normal situations, why should black ops be different? let them ban offensive symbols, but what about penis' and racial slurs? Do they ban them too?
Give this man a slow-clap. Give this man a medal. That was the best possible way to phrase that argument.
If you represent yourself with something inflammatory - that you know is inflammatory and you know will be interpreted as inflammatory - you are not solving anything. You're just exacerbating the issue by giving everyone the impression you support the Nazis. Don't use a public forum to talk to yourself.
Pretending we live in a post-Nazi society does not bring about a post-Nazi society; if anything, it pushes it further away.
So is there any discrimination between the actual design (i.e the Buddhist symbol does NOT equal the Nazi symbol, as its spokes bend to form "L's", rather than the shape the Hakenkreuz takes)
"Some people are far too sensitive to things and need to relax."agentironman said:
I once worked in an office where the majority of my co-workers were Jewish. Our supervisor was also Jewish and had the surname "Reich" (as in former Secretary of the Treasury Robert "Reich" but also as in Third "Reich"). I, for some strange reason, was prone to pronouncing the gentleman's name with the "ch" in "Reich" as a hard "ka" and not a soft "sh." Everytime I did it, my Jewish co-workers would freak out, stomp their feet, and insist on the soft "sh" pronunciation, justifying their insistence with vague and veiled allusions to the Nazis and the Holocaust.
Why do I tell this not particularly interesting story? As proof of the fact that "some people are far too sensitive to things and need to relax."
this is all kind of like how ted(from how i met your mother) always reminds his freinds the correct way to say encyclopedia. even though he's techniquly right his friends just veiw him as a pretentious douche.
even if you are of buddihist faith. Even if you are showing your religous believes. In a setting that is largly domminated by westren people, You should be intellegent to understand that they are going to veiw it as a Nazi symbol. Seriously, surely you can give up showing your religous pride in one place
Also add in the fact that A video game is kind of a ridiculous place to do so.
I See why they did that ban. However whoever was speaking in that quote above was making some retarded statements
even if you are of buddihist faith. Even if you are showing your religous believes. In a setting that is largly domminated by westren people, You should be intellegent to understand that they are going to veiw it as a Nazi symbol. Seriously, surely you can give up showing your religous pride in one place
Also add in the fact that A video game is kind of a ridiculous place to do so.
I See why they did that ban. However whoever was speaking in that quote above was making some retarded statements
I don't understand. The swastika is used numerous times in the game itself, plus there are much more controversial(?) emblems to complain about. (ie: penises, horses having sex with rabbits, etc.)
