Haha i love that movie.The_root_of_all_evil said:If Hollywood is serious about diverse casting, how about they start with accurately portraying certain cultures before they jump straight to casting against type?
If we're getting so upset about how something might be seen as offensive, I've just the film for you.
Have you ever seen a grown man naked before?
Hogun the Grim, is the asian guy and in the comics he's always been depicted as being sort of mongolian. His origin is vague, but he's actually an adopted member of the Aesir coming from another people.JuliusMagnus said:With Thor I didn't have any problem because I didn't know the direct source material (I do ofcourse know Heimdahl from the Norse Mythology). I also discovered the asian guy in the Warriors Three wasn't asian at all (in the comics
Kind of missed the point, they didn't hire Elba or Jackson because they're black, they hired them because they're great actors and in the case of Elba, they didn't let the matter of his skin colour change their decision. Which is progress for Hollywood, where previously "no race specified" meant white.For.I.Am.Mad said:Why is this a big deal? The Civil Rights movement was 5 decades ago. What, now Marvel and Disney can pat themselves on the back for having not one but TWO black guys in their movie? This doesn't make up for all the other racist crap Hollywood still pulls to this day.
The thing is they aren't Norse gods. Well not exactly. They're aliens with extreme powers and abilities that inspired the gods. That was very prominent in early Thor comics, more recently they're portrayed as straight up gods, but in the films, they're aliens pretty much.Trolldor said:I don't think a Norse God should be played by a black man.
The Norse Gods are of a particular culture, and their appearence is very much a part of their persona.
That doesn't mean he won't be good, or that it won't work, just that the colour of his skin WILL change how you percieve the character because his physical appearence will be different.
The norse gods were not and are not black, and the comic draws its designs partly from the fantastical, but also the very real basics of the norse gods.
Doesn't stop me from wanting to see the movie nor does it make me think I will be off put by it.
This is pretty much the way I look at it. When it comes to casting, either for theater or film, looking the part is a big part of it. In my highschool play, Tiny Tim wound up being taller than his own father, because of the way the part was cast. While it worked, it was because we played it with a sense of humor, and also because, you know, it was a highschool play. But can anyone here honestly say they could handle a straight-faced Hollywood adaptation of A Christmas Carol with a six foot tall Tiny Tim? As far as race goes, if it's an integral part of the character, I'm sorry, but people who don't match the description probably shouldn't apply. Would people start complaining about racism if a black man were turned down for the role of Adolf Hitler in World War II movie? What about having Martin Luther King Jr. played by a white man in a movie about the civil rights era? At some point, you have to accept that looking the part does factor in to casting decisions, and there's nothing racist about it.Exterminas said:I remember how people beat of Stephen Segal for playing Ghengis Khan.
Or how the wailed at that white dude who played the lead in Prince of Persia.
If we want to got on with that, please let the norse gods be played by norse people.
Nobody is talking about white washing, that movie had tons of rols for all ethnics in it. The female lead for example. Why does that have to be a white chick?
But if you accept norse gods with black skin, why not an interpretation of Huck Fin where Uncle Tom is just a poor white dude?
I give them credit for the fact that we are dealing with a very loose subject here, like ancient gods, depicted in a comicbook. That is like double-fictional and a long time ago. So there can't be any proof "Yo, they were white, alright", but then again, answer me this:
If a norse god can be played by a black person, how about a movie that depicts native african religions where some sort of deity or spirit is imbodied by a white person? Think of the reactions.
In the end I don't care for their casting choice, but I am confidend that this is one of these situations where Hollywood just can't do the right thing, because one side would always see reason to hoot.
If that is why they chose him (and yeah, I'm realistic enough to admit that it probably is), then it is pretty reprehensible. But without having been there (because they aren't going to just come out and say "yeah, we chose him 'cos he's black") we can't be sure, and I like to think that at least a couple of times this situation has played out where they were planning on casting a white guy but had a black person apply for the role and just blow it out of the water. And as someone else ahs said, they had plenty of non-Asgardian roles that could have been used for a token.ciortas1 said:However way you want to spin it, this character was turned black because they needed a token black character in the movie. I don't hold that as respectable in any sense of the word.
Y'know that'll probably never change though. It's mainly because we rarely see certain races accurately depicted, and people don't like that Hollywood "takes the easy way out" and casts established White actors instead of trying to make it look authentic.Exterminas said:-snip-
As I said above, I very much agree, but Thor and friends are pretty much aliens, and not hovering above the clouds of Scandinavia, which is why they got away with it. This isn't based on Norse Mythology, it's based on Marvel lore.Owyn_Merrilin said:This is pretty much the way I look at it. When it comes to casting, either for theater or film, looking the part is a big part of it. In my highschool play, Tiny Tim wound up being taller than his own father, because of the way the part was cast. While it worked, it was because we played it with a sense of humor, and also because, you know, it was a highschool play. But can anyone here honestly say they could handle a straight-faced Hollywood adaptation of A Christmas Carol with a six foot tall Tiny Tim? As far as race goes, if it's an integral part of the character, I'm sorry, but people who don't match the description probably shouldn't apply. Would people start complaining about racism if a black man were turned down for the role of Adolf Hitler in World War II movie? What about having Martin Luther King Jr. played by a white man in a movie about the civil rights era? At some point, you have to accept that looking the part does factor in to casting decisions, and there's nothing racist about it.
This is called irony, and it's delicious.... a figure often referred to as the "Whitest of the Gods."