Black Thor Actor Talks About Racist Comic Book Fans

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Jandau

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Why is always "offended" or "approving"? I'm not offended by a black guy playing a white deity, I just think it's silly. If people can ***** about the asian cast of Avatar being switched to white kids for the live action version, why should people somehow be fine with a white character representing a deity of a white ethnic group getting played by a black guy? Imagine if someone were doing a movie today based on African mythology and decided to cast the gods as a mix of white and asian people. You'd have such a PC shitstorm it would blot out the sun with all the flying feces.

But when someone suggests that replacing white dudes for no reason might not be ok, THAT'S racist? Really...
 

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stinkychops said:
mr_rubino said:
stinkychops said:
So if we don't like private enterprise trampling culture we should't express our concerns?

Fuck off you sanctimonious douchebag. I understand its not your fault, that doesn't change the issue.

Racist? Fuck you.

"So many fantastical elements", it was a goddamn real religion, butchered and put into a comic. Lets see what Liberals have to say about suggesting "Christianity has so many fantastical elements, whats wrong with portraying Mary as a slut? Thought no-one would notice!"

Hide behind the shield of calling everyone else racist if you want.

I think if you don't like peoples comments, you shouldn't speak back! HERP DERP
Lolodinists. Does lacking an effective argument against this hurt that much?
Lolodinists?

What exactly are you saying? Are you suggesting that there is no argument to be made against him having the role?
There could be one. Make it. "But he's Black!" isn't it. As pointed out, this is a comic about aliens pretending to be gods noone cares about anymore. Except people do care about them in this universe, because they do stuff and be awesome-ish. Hyperbolic and irrelevant "Adam Sandler playing Malcolm X!!!" analogies need not apply.

And that was LOL + Odinists, Odinists being the fake religion of neo-druids and racists who are raising all the stink about this.
EDIT: Ok, they're really not. There are like 50 Odinists in the world, I'd gather. But for the sake of argument, I'm buying into the not-so-covertly-racist comic book geek mythmaking that this is some major religious controversy and not just black-people-scare-me nonsense.
 

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For me, it's a very fine muddy line of... mud. On the one hand, acting chops alone can't be taken into consideration for casting a role in comic book movies. On some level, especially in the comic book medium, where you are given a very specific visual that is constantly hammered into your mind, aesthetics need to come into play. A blonde 65 yr old man as Peter Parker will not work, and if someone did that, people are probably not going to take the film very seriously.

So on that level, the argument against a black Heimdall isn't racist at all. I suppose one could even argue that even shining the light on it as such is in itself racist. (I'm not saying I fully believe that in this instance, but I most definitely question sometimes if we shine too many lights on these things) After all, how many times are actors called out for not "looking" the part in Marvel movies? "Kirsten Dunst looks too dunce-like!" "Hugh Jackman is too TALL!" "Ben Affleck is too much of a weeny twerp to be Daredevil!" "Nicolas Cage is too old and incompetent to play Ghost Rider!" And on and on and on. These comments are rarely met with more than a shrug. So part of me does question if it's healthy to lift this issue above the others. Our gut reaction to the din against him shouldn't be "people don't embrace him cuz he's black." It should be "people don't embrace him cuz he looks nothing like the character."

I mean, I hate plenty of white people for absolutely stupid reasons. Nicolas Cage should be dumped off a bridge, Tom Cruise should be shot into space, my neighbor lets her dog defecate in my front yard and I'd love to catapult her and her little rat into the ocean. So why should I not be given the same freedom to hate black actors without being called racist? If I say I hate Will Smith because his ears look like Dumbo, accusing me of being racist and bringing extra attention to my hatred is most definitely not helpful. In fact, it perpetuates the exclusion of black actors from the white ones. In this instance, my ability to hate them for petty and sometimes silly reasons. (For the record, I haven't seen Thor, and I'm not so attached to Heimdall that I demand he be white. I'm just saying for general purposes we should not be so quick to cry racism.)

On the flip side, however... the world is chock full of stupid racists, and they are doing way more than their fair share of perpetuating the stupidity. In a situation like this it's even worse, because they blend in with the canonites so well you can't even tell them apart, which makes Joe Canon Lover on the street look like the dumb racist. It's all so confusing!

My take is that there are a LOT of white comic book characters, and in many instances, if the actor is good enough and the changes not immersion-breaking, I'm good with ANY sort of visual change. Black Heimdall is on the same plane of existence for me as ditching Wolverine's yellow spandex. If it suits the character, go for it. If not, I'ma make fun of your movie FOREVER.

I dunno. I go back and forth on it. But I definitely question the need to shine a spotlight on every little thing that maybe/possibly/could be racism. Even the Resident Evil 5 thing... I haven't played the actual game because the demo sucked, so I can't speak to anything but the original premise. And if a game is set in Africa, I think it would be odd to only have white zombies.

I'm done meandering now.
 

Logan Westbrook

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stinkychops said:
So if we don't like private enterprise trampling culture we should't express our concerns?

Fuck off you sanctimonious douchebag. I understand its not your fault, that doesn't change the issue.

Racist? Fuck you.

"So many fantastical elements", it was a goddamn real religion, butchered and put into a comic. Lets see what Liberals have to say about suggesting "Christianity has so many fantastical elements, whats wrong with portraying Mary as a slut? Thought no-one would notice!"

Hide behind the shield of calling everyone else racist if you want.

I think if you don't like peoples comments, you shouldn't speak back! HERP DERP
I'm assuming this is aimed at me?
 

trollnystan

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I might not say this right but I'm gonna try.

The reason I can get peeved when white people play so-called ethnic parts is that it seems like the easy way out - most big actors in Hollywood are white after all - not to mention it feels like they're pandering to the white we-can't-relate-to-someone-not-of-our-skin-colour audience.

I can occasionally think the reverse of course. In this case, a black man playing an ALIEN posing as a Norse god? No problem with that. I'm just glad they didn't cast him as Balder; the irony - is that right term? - would kill me. (Ha. Ha.) Then again I have no emotional investment in this - I'm not a Marvel comic fan and I've never read or so much as touched an issue of Thor - so I'm just saying this as a Scandinavian.

To be truthful though, I enjoy it when it's mixed up a bit. I mean Hale Berry as Catwoman failed spectacularly, but was it really because she was the wrong skin tone? Really people? (I'm actually asking 'cos I never saw it >_> I'm not a comic book fan alright?)
 

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mr_rubino said:
stinkychops said:
mr_rubino said:
stinkychops said:
So if we don't like private enterprise trampling culture we should't express our concerns?

Fuck off you sanctimonious douchebag. I understand its not your fault, that doesn't change the issue.

Racist? Fuck you.

"So many fantastical elements", it was a goddamn real religion, butchered and put into a comic. Lets see what Liberals have to say about suggesting "Christianity has so many fantastical elements, whats wrong with portraying Mary as a slut? Thought no-one would notice!"

Hide behind the shield of calling everyone else racist if you want.

I think if you don't like peoples comments, you shouldn't speak back! HERP DERP
Lolodinists. Does lacking an effective argument against this hurt that much?
Lolodinists?

What exactly are you saying? Are you suggesting that there is no argument to be made against him having the role?
There could be one. Make it. "But he's Black!" isn't it. As pointed out, this is a comic about aliens pretending to be gods noone cares about anymore. Except people do care about them in this universe, because they do stuff and be awesome-ish. Hyperbolic and irrelevant "Adam Sandler playing Malcolm X!!!" analogies need not apply.

And that was LOL + Odinists, Odinists being the fake religion of neo-druids and racists who are raising all the stink about this.
EDIT: Ok, they're really not. There are like 50 Odinists in the world, I'd gather. But for the sake of argument, I'm buying into the not-so-covertly-racist comic book geek mythmaking that this is some major religious controversy and not just black-people-scare-me nonsense.
If there's only 50 of them, I feel priveleged, because I personally know at least three of them -- although they just use the generic term "pagans" to refer to themselves; they seem to get all of the different pantheons mixed up, instead of sticking to just one. I knew a guy who was convinced he'd go to Valhalla when he died, though.
 

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Shhh, don't tell this to the wankers arguing about skin colour: He might be black due to him being in the sky and getting more sun! Shhh! We can explain away character changes with this little thing... imagination!
 

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WolfThomas said:
Realitycrash said:
So if Marvel has officially said that this is not part of any previous Marvel universe, how can anyone feel any sense of hurt feelings over a character being cast with a black actor?
Marvel embraces the Multiverse-theory, afterall, so this is just one where Heimdall is black..
Pretty much:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe
But that list doesn't cover Fantastic Four, Spider-Man OR X-men! HAH! Plenty of canon-violations there!

stinkychops said:
So if we don't like private enterprise trampling culture we should't express our concerns?

Fuck off you sanctimonious douchebag. I understand its not your fault, that doesn't change the issue.

Racist? Fuck you.

"So many fantastical elements", it was a goddamn real religion, butchered and put into a comic. Lets see what Liberals have to say about suggesting "Christianity has so many fantastical elements, whats wrong with portraying Mary as a slut? Thought no-one would notice!"

Hide behind the shield of calling everyone else racist if you want.

I think if you don't like peoples comments, you shouldn't speak back! HERP DERP
Sweeet, someone is going to get probition.
 

TwistedEllipses

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...and Antony Hopkins isn't Scandanvian! No-one complains about that, because that would be silly (like this is).
 

WolfThomas

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Realitycrash said:
But that list doesn't cover Fantastic Four, Spider-Man OR X-men! HAH! Plenty of canon-violations there!
That's because Sony has the rights to film productions of Spiderman and the Fantastic Four. Fox has the rights to the X-men and Wolverine. Marvel/Disney has distanced themselves from those films and removed their support now that they have their own productions. They'd give a lot to get that content back and in universe.
 

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What I am more annoyed at is how powerful they made him seem as opposed to how powerful he was in the comics.

RAAGE
 

Cherry Cola

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As much as all you people want, different skin color isn't and will never be the same thing as different hair color, or different eye color. It's different. Black and white is like man and woman. Having a black man cast as a character who's been white in all other iterations is not the same as casting a blond James Bond (though many people made it seem like that when Casino Royale came out). I mean Christ, how popular do you think "The Last of the Mohicans" would have been if Daniel Day-Lewis was supposed to play an actual Native-American, and not an adopted son? People would have called it white-washing. So how come this isn't facing similar critique? Because it's not as significant as my example? To some people, it is. If you're going to argue for or against this, this is something you need to realize.

The people who oppose this are not racist. Racism would be "I dun want dem niggers on mah screen!" These are just people who realize that, yes, there is a difference between casting black man and a white man. Are they speaking against it in a constructive manner? No, they're being whiny little nerds about it. They are also being idiots. But they're not racist. Actually, fuck all that, that site is really racist. Just skimmied through the comments a bit and thought they were just butthurt nerds, but Jaysus I was wrong.

Of course, this all being said...
stinkychops said:
it was a goddamn real religion, butchered and put into a comic.
Not that I want to defend commercialism or anything, but you can hardly be serious with protecting the integrity of one of the dumbest religions on earth that nobody has believed in for over a thousand years? Thor was a dragqueen, Loke was a furry, and Odin plucked out his eye and threw it into a puddle guarded by a giant head. How much damage can a comic book do to a reputation like that?

PS: What is up with all the people feeling the need to point out that they are from Scandinavia? To anyone who does this: You have no, nor will you ever have, any connection to Norse Mythology in your entire existence. Your nationality doesn't suddenly make you higher above everyone else in this discussion.
 

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Idris Elba is such a dude! STRINGEERRRRRR!!!

But on topic, it's because he is such a dude and a great actor that he has the role. It's nice to see that his skin tone doesn't matter, but talent instead. And especially when the character is entirely fictional.

Is he how the Norsemen imagined Heimdall to be? No, but very little of the Marvel canon is how they would have imagined it either. It's silly to get picky over such details.

I mean on the flipside, how many pasty white actors have played Jesus, a fictional man-god who lived and died in the middle-east, huh?
 

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I think my only complaint about this movie will be Hogun the Grim not having a mustache and if it's that hard for me to find something to complain about, then this movie will be -GLORIOUS-! I don't really care what Heimdall looks like, he's the guy who stands on the Bifröst bridge, and if Odin trusts him to stand there, then he can probably look like whatever he bloody well pleases, whenever he wants to.

He looks big and really powerful, that's what I expect for Heimdall. He also looks like he's having a good time, in the pictures I've seen anyway, and that's important, because actors tend to do a better job when they are having fun.
 

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michiehoward said:
This is really sad since canon Marvel "Norse Gods" are fucking aliens, and not Scandinavian/Vikings.
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What this guy said. If they where using the actual old nordic gods it would never be fit for the silver screen. Thor is a comicbook character and I really don't see how it's bad that there's a black guy in a comic book-movie.
 

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Cherry Cola said:
PS: What is up with all the people feeling the need to point out that they are from Scandinavia? To anyone who does this: You have no, nor will you ever have, any connection to Norse Mythology in your entire existence. Your nationality doesn't suddenly make you higher above everyone else in this discussion.
Actually, we do. Norse-gods and religion still flavor our culture, our national holidays, and our common names.
As late as the 19th century, Rune-writing was still used in some parts of the country (Sweden), and paganism is alive and well.

So don't speak of things you don't know anything about.