Black Thor Actor Talks About Racist Comic Book Fans

WolfThomas

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Realitycrash said:
But that list doesn't cover Fantastic Four, Spider-Man OR X-men! HAH! Plenty of canon-violations there!
That's because Sony has the rights to film productions of Spiderman and the Fantastic Four. Fox has the rights to the X-men and Wolverine. Marvel/Disney has distanced themselves from those films and removed their support now that they have their own productions. They'd give a lot to get that content back and in universe.
 

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What I am more annoyed at is how powerful they made him seem as opposed to how powerful he was in the comics.

RAAGE
 

Cherry Cola

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As much as all you people want, different skin color isn't and will never be the same thing as different hair color, or different eye color. It's different. Black and white is like man and woman. Having a black man cast as a character who's been white in all other iterations is not the same as casting a blond James Bond (though many people made it seem like that when Casino Royale came out). I mean Christ, how popular do you think "The Last of the Mohicans" would have been if Daniel Day-Lewis was supposed to play an actual Native-American, and not an adopted son? People would have called it white-washing. So how come this isn't facing similar critique? Because it's not as significant as my example? To some people, it is. If you're going to argue for or against this, this is something you need to realize.

The people who oppose this are not racist. Racism would be "I dun want dem niggers on mah screen!" These are just people who realize that, yes, there is a difference between casting black man and a white man. Are they speaking against it in a constructive manner? No, they're being whiny little nerds about it. They are also being idiots. But they're not racist. Actually, fuck all that, that site is really racist. Just skimmied through the comments a bit and thought they were just butthurt nerds, but Jaysus I was wrong.

Of course, this all being said...
stinkychops said:
it was a goddamn real religion, butchered and put into a comic.
Not that I want to defend commercialism or anything, but you can hardly be serious with protecting the integrity of one of the dumbest religions on earth that nobody has believed in for over a thousand years? Thor was a dragqueen, Loke was a furry, and Odin plucked out his eye and threw it into a puddle guarded by a giant head. How much damage can a comic book do to a reputation like that?

PS: What is up with all the people feeling the need to point out that they are from Scandinavia? To anyone who does this: You have no, nor will you ever have, any connection to Norse Mythology in your entire existence. Your nationality doesn't suddenly make you higher above everyone else in this discussion.
 

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Idris Elba is such a dude! STRINGEERRRRRR!!!

But on topic, it's because he is such a dude and a great actor that he has the role. It's nice to see that his skin tone doesn't matter, but talent instead. And especially when the character is entirely fictional.

Is he how the Norsemen imagined Heimdall to be? No, but very little of the Marvel canon is how they would have imagined it either. It's silly to get picky over such details.

I mean on the flipside, how many pasty white actors have played Jesus, a fictional man-god who lived and died in the middle-east, huh?
 

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I think my only complaint about this movie will be Hogun the Grim not having a mustache and if it's that hard for me to find something to complain about, then this movie will be -GLORIOUS-! I don't really care what Heimdall looks like, he's the guy who stands on the Bifröst bridge, and if Odin trusts him to stand there, then he can probably look like whatever he bloody well pleases, whenever he wants to.

He looks big and really powerful, that's what I expect for Heimdall. He also looks like he's having a good time, in the pictures I've seen anyway, and that's important, because actors tend to do a better job when they are having fun.
 

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michiehoward said:
This is really sad since canon Marvel "Norse Gods" are fucking aliens, and not Scandinavian/Vikings.
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What this guy said. If they where using the actual old nordic gods it would never be fit for the silver screen. Thor is a comicbook character and I really don't see how it's bad that there's a black guy in a comic book-movie.
 

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Cherry Cola said:
PS: What is up with all the people feeling the need to point out that they are from Scandinavia? To anyone who does this: You have no, nor will you ever have, any connection to Norse Mythology in your entire existence. Your nationality doesn't suddenly make you higher above everyone else in this discussion.
Actually, we do. Norse-gods and religion still flavor our culture, our national holidays, and our common names.
As late as the 19th century, Rune-writing was still used in some parts of the country (Sweden), and paganism is alive and well.

So don't speak of things you don't know anything about.
 

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Logan Westbrook said:
For.I.Am.Mad said:
'..we need to talk about it...' I've been on videogame websites for years now and it's always that same fucking lame line. Stop talking and do something about it. Besides, I don't think anybody on gaming site should have any say since the KKK has better hiring practices than you guys.
Huh? What on earth are you talking about?
Maybe the general point that if you're counting prominent African American gaming journalists, after you've counted N'Gai Croal, you can put away the rest of your fingers because there's no further need for them? I dunno for sure, though. I'm just guessing.

Got any African Americans on your editorial staff? If so, please lemme know. I've got these nine remaining fingers and nothing that I know of on which I can use them to count.
 

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While a large part of this is moot because both comic and film canon has the Asgardians as being aliens that were worshipped as Viking gods (a common theme in Jack Kirby's work: see the Eternals and the New Gods), I can still see why this is an issue. As much as people want to pretend that race doesn't matter, it still does. For example, if you took the same character traits that Peter Parker would have, and put them on a black teen, that does change the context of the character in subtle ways (I can imagine that the bullying Peter endured in high school would take on a slightly different dimension, at least). Similarly, if Heimdall is depicted as looking vaguely Scandinavian, that's completely different than seeing him as a black man. Any changes from the source material does give the character a new interpretation (see also: Joe Chill dying in Nolan's Batman films, whereas in the original story he got away, and in the Burton films he became the Joker. Three different interpretations that cast different lights on the same characters).

For all those saying that it's tokenism, though, I can't help but disagree, since the choice to make 'the Whitest of the Gods' black seems a bit too deliberate, as if Branaugh is suggesting that the Vikings depicted Heimdall as white on purpose, because they couldn't accept a god that looked nothing like them. It goes to that same phenomenon where all these depictions of Jesus of Nazareth as a white man, even though there is staggering amounts of evidence that he was black (like his parents choosing to hide out in a region where whites would be noticed; it even says in the Bible that Mary's lineage has ethnicities that were known to be dark-skinned).

So, I guess where I come down on this issue is: if it's being done to give a new, interesting wrinkle to the (back)story, then I am all for it. If it's just being done to score bonus points with minorities, then I think it will show in the performance and the writing.

EDIT: Anyone else realize that the setting for the movie is New Mexico, as in, the heart of American UFO culture? They are definitely playing up the 'aliens masquerading as gods' angle.
 

Gindil

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When the hell did politics get into entertainment? I thought you picked up a comic for the story!