Blizzard: Valve Shouldn't Trademark DotA

[Exort]

If Valve doesn't Blizzard will. I would let Valve handle DoTA before Blizzard any day. Valve will make free stuff for it, Blizzard would make you pay for everything. Valve just has a better community. Maybe it's not the right thing to do if you concentrate on the moment. But it's the best thing and future will show that Valve is right to do this.

I will rather Blizzard do it.

"Blizzard DotA" is a free Map for sc2. Blizzard release ton of free patch and content for thier games. But Valve are the people that add Micro-transaction to a full paid game (TF2). I don't trust that at all. If it is purely for the looks than yea, but items that effect game play is in it as well.

Blizzard will never do that. why? If WoW let player buy shadowmorue, people will smash the company down to peices. Believe me, I know a lot of WoW Players. If you don't believe me ask that in any WoW forum.

On the other hand, Blizzard is going to release 4 new maps(Blizzard DotA, Auir chief, left 2 die, starjewelled) for Sc2 for free, and they have a long trad of doing so, since WC3. They already release like 50+ map (a lot of them are different game modes, like DotA-like map) for WC3 for free in addtion to the patches.

Ironic that you say "Valve will make free stuff for it, Blizzard would make you pay for everything." When the Mann Co. is selling gameplay items.

edit: I'm usually a fan of both company, maybe I'm a bit too hard on Valve because that the Mann Co. in TF2 really piss me off. I mean I pay full price for TF2, yet you add a micro-transaction after I buy the game? If you tell me when I bought the game I'm more ok with it but this is just...

 

[Fusioncode9]

This belongs to the community that supported the project so much> Valve had nothing to do with this, and no I don't think Blizzard deserves it either> I just don't think they should trademark the name.
I'm cool with them making DOTA2 but don't trademark it. That just sounds beneath Valve.

 

[Charli]

acti blizzard dont think its the right thing to do? hahahahahahhahahahaha christ..

Well yes, Defense of the Ancients pretty much is using their intellectual property, they're right in saying it should just belong to the community. Valve are pulling a bad here.

Activision can be called on this bullshit but not the Blizzard portion.

I like both companies, and I don't know why someone has to 'trademark' DotA either.
Why?

 

[Exort]

acti blizzard dont think its the right thing to do? hahahahahahhahahahaha christ..

Well yes, Defense of the Ancients pretty much is using their intellectual property, they're right in saying it should just belong to the community. Valve are pulling a bad here.

Activision can be called on this bullshit but not the Blizzard portion.

I like both companies, and I don't know why someone has to 'trademark' DotA either.
Why?

Blizzard released a lot of DotA-like Map for WC3 for free already. Now they are doing it for SC2.

 

[Charli]

acti blizzard dont think its the right thing to do? hahahahahahhahahahaha christ..

Well yes, Defense of the Ancients pretty much is using their intellectual property, they're right in saying it should just belong to the community. Valve are pulling a bad here.

Activision can be called on this bullshit but not the Blizzard portion.

I like both companies, and I don't know why someone has to 'trademark' DotA either.
Why?

Blizzard released a lot of DotA-like Map for WC3 for free already. Now they are doing it for SC2.

I think you're confused, they still haven't trademarked it. It's just been a fun extra.
This is the issue people are having.

 

[BrunDeign]

Valve's Response: Too bad?

My Response: Get over it?

I mean seriously has Valve ever done anything in the past that would make you think they would get flustered by someone using the DotA name? Unless it's an actual developer and not some modder (if it was they'd probably just hire them like they do all the other modders) they probably would see no reason to seek legal action.

 

[Yoshemo]

Trademark "DotA 2" but not the whole thing maybe?

 

[Exort]

I think you're confused, they still haven't trademarked it. It's just been a fun extra.
This is the issue people are having.

Oh I know that just want to add a fact there. To show Blizzard don't want the trademark for DotA, because they already have been doing DotA already.

Anyways, I don't think it have anything at all to do with Actv.
Because Rob said this in the Blizzcon live stream (DTV) when been ask what does he think about Valve trademarking DotA. (this happened before that interview.)

The question is asked Live (by the internet), So I doubt Actvision can do anything about it.

When he is asked about it he said he is a fan of Valve's games, but he think it is unlike valve to do. Basicly, he repeated it again in the interveiw.

Edit: I remember in the Blizzcon stream, he said they talked to Valve about it. I'm about 90% sure.

 

[Exort]

I agree with Blizz on this, and frankly this is a bad sign for Valve to be doing this.
This is a mark against your coolness factor, Valve. Don't make me lose faith in you.

http://icefrogtruth.blogspot.com/

According to this guy, some people in Valve are steering away from honesty towards money-first Kotickism. The guys working on this game ayways.

That blog has been called as bullshit by multiple valve employees, I doubt it's true.

but this one is true.
http://www.dota-allstars.com/index.html
It is by Pendragon. If you play DotA: Allstar you should know who he is.
By the way that url is the old Offical DotA: Allstar website before Icefrog left and made his own.

Pendragon said:
So Icefrog already tried to sell DotA to many companys before,
and He successfully sold DotA to both S2 games and Valve.

Fact:
and he isn't even the creator of DotA or DotA: Allstar.


Anyways, what S2 games did in HoN which is copied DotA: allstar as close as possible but avoid copyright issues. It is very likly that the blog is right about IceFrog want them (S2 and Valve) to copy as closly as possible.
About his name, I don't know at all, but does that matter?
IceFrog never tell us any thing about himself, beside which state he live in.

Side note: Alike most DotA fan we thought IceFrog left dota-allstars.com because he didn't want to make profit from it. However his action at Valve prove us wrong (if it is free why trademark it). I remember when S2 announce HoN, IceFrog told us that a little competition is good. Now we know he was always behide it all...

 

[ionveau]

acti blizzard dont think its the right thing to do? hahahahahahhahahahaha christ..

Well yes, Defense of the Ancients pretty much is using their intellectual property, they're right in saying it should just belong to the community. Valve are pulling a bad here.

Activision can be called on this bullshit but not the Blizzard portion.

I like both companies, and I don't know why someone has to 'trademark' DotA either.
Why?

Blizzard released a lot of DotA-like Map for WC3 for free already. Now they are doing it for SC2.

sure they do

 

[bob1052]

acti blizzard dont think its the right thing to do? hahahahahahhahahahaha christ..

Well yes, Defense of the Ancients pretty much is using their intellectual property, they're right in saying it should just belong to the community. Valve are pulling a bad here.

Activision can be called on this bullshit but not the Blizzard portion.

I like both companies, and I don't know why someone has to 'trademark' DotA either.
Why?

Blizzard released a lot of DotA-like Map for WC3 for free already. Now they are doing it for SC2.

sure they do

Between the lack of grammar in your post I assume you are skeptical?

It is already announced that a free DotA for owners of SC2 is on the way (and was playable at Blizzcon)

 

[UnmotivatedSlacker]

Activision Blizzard:
Pissed they didn't think of it first.

One more idea Kotick will love though, copyrighting other people's ideas and getting money for it.

Awesome. ¬_¬

They had years to do it. The point they're making is that no one should own it.

 

[Exort]

sure they do

Extreme Candy War 2004/2005/2006
Ring a bell? It is a Halloween setting DotA map by Blizzard.


Other Blizzard made maps Include:
bomber Command
Justice
Brutal Winter
Banewood bog
Skibi's Castle TD
Funny Bunny's Egg Hunt
and a bunch more.
http://classic.battle.net/war3/maps/war3xbonusmaps.shtml (for the ones released before 9/20/2006, this is the old website.)

The SC2 version of DotA is called
Blizzard DotA or Blizzard Allstars
along with it they are releasing
Left 2 die (Left 4 Dead)
Aiur Cheif (Iron Cheif)
Starjewelled (Bejewelled)

yes all of thier name is making fun of other game or TV show.

 

[meowchef]

Valve is a better company. They win.

 

[Atheist.]

Doesn't it say in the TOU of the World Editor for WC3 that by using the map editor you accept that anything made on it becomes Blizzard's intellectual property or something similar to that?

 

[theultimateend]

Whoop de do? It's just the name, change it to something else, it doesn't affect the game itself.

Humans put a phenomenal amount of importance into names.

To say "It is just a name" is akin to saying "It's just your arm, you have another."

And before anyone takes that literal, no losing your name is not the same as having your arm ripped off your torso, don't be a cock. The point is that names are valued extremely highly, just like ones own appendages. (Indeed I'd be pretty upset if I lost my own name, I've gotten quite used to it).

 

[Exort]

Doesn't it say in the TOU of the World Editor for WC3 that by using the map editor you accept that anything made on it becomes Blizzard's intellectual property or something similar to that?

Yea, but Blizzard put that in just to montior censored content on Battle.net. So if somebody put something that should not go to the map they have the right to take it down.

 

[Callate]

So what has Blizzard gained from merging with Activision, aside from (apparently) tighter production schedules and a lot of customer skepticism by association...?

I actually applaud Blizzard's take on this. Wanting to borrow fan affection for a fan-made franchise is questionable enough, wanting to slap trademark rights on a franchise Valve didn't create is downright despicable.

 

[samsonguy920]

I agree with Blizz on this, and frankly this is a bad sign for Valve to be doing this.
This is a mark against your coolness factor, Valve. Don't make me lose faith in you.

Faith in Valve? Considering the HL2EP3 fiasco who still has faith in that company

What fiasco is that? That Valve isn't taking the time from their busy schedule to pander to your personal needs to know every detail of progress on the game?
HL2EP3 hasn't entered DNF territory YET. No reason to get tunnel vision on a game that will eventually come out, spoiling your enjoyment of what else is being produced by separate teams.

 

[SpAc3man]

Valve got to it first. Blizzard has had plenty of opportunity to cash in on Dota or even just file the trademark to protect it while still allowing free use of it by the Dota creators.

Pretty much the same thing happened with Alien Swarm. Original was a Unreal Tournament 2004 mod and Valve hired the team responsible and got them to make a new one on the Source engine.

Valve is well known for spotting opportunities like this and they have done extremely well with it in the past. CS, TF and DoD all started as third party mods with Valve acquiring them to turn into proper games. Whats to stop them doing the same with mods that are for games other than their own by bringing them over to their own engine?