Breast Sizes and Complaints

[Dazzle Novak]

Don't you guys get sick of these types of threads?

White, heterosexual gamers are an endangered demographic; "neckbeard" is the most harmful N-word in the English language; and now "loving big tits" warrants a family meeting to come out of the closet over. For such confident "sex positive" people, you sure are seeking a ton of approval from peers and the strawman Puritans largely residing in your heads.

OP, you don't need to die on every hill. Either you're happy with yourself or you're not.

 

[Lilani]

Don't you guys get sick of these types of threads?

White, heterosexual gamers are an endangered demographic; "neckbeard" is the most harmful N-word in the English language; and now "loving big tits" warrants a family meeting to come out of the closet over. For such confident "sex positive" people, you sure are seeking a ton of approval from peers and the strawman Puritans largely residing in your heads.

OP, you don't need to die on every hill. Either you're happy with yourself or you're not.

I think you are very correct in that people should be comfortable with and accept the things which they find attractive, and that in general we need to not make assumptions based on how people treat those of the opposite sex based solely on what physical features they find attractive.

But the way the OP presented their problem, it seems they have a very skewed image of what most women's breasts look like, in both size and shape. As NCP009 up there said, there's nothing wrong with big breasts, but if you've been lead to believe most non-obese women are C and D cups, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Plus that means your knowledge of breasts comes from the media as opposed to reality, which is not a good head space to reside in. Enjoy whatever exaggerated breasts you want, but keep one foot firmly grounded in reality, and understand why many people find it distressing when the media is setting the standard for how breasts do and should look.

 

[Beliyal]

But the way the OP presented their problem, it seems they have a very skewed image of what most women's breasts look like, in both size and shape. As NCP009 up there said, there's nothing wrong with big breasts, but if you've been lead to believe most non-obese women are C and D cups, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Plus that means your knowledge of breasts comes from the media as opposed to reality, which is not a good head space to reside in. Enjoy whatever exaggerated breasts you want, but keep one foot firmly grounded in reality, and understand why many people find it distressing when the media is setting the standard for how breasts do and should look.

I'd also like to add that I find this obsession with cups really weird because most people (a lot of women too) really have no idea what " cup" mean. Like, a lot of men will hear "D cup" and immediately imagine something that could not further from reality because the whole thing with cups is that they are really complicated and have an incredible amount of variety.

[Sort of NSFW]This [http://www.brabandproject.com/] is a really cool site that may adjust the views people have of cups and what they really mean. The mere fact that a D cup is involved does not mean we're talking about large breasts; the number (band size) is even more important and cups will vary with it. Also, as NPC009 said, bras are specifically made to alter the look of breasts in order to fit the clothing or shape, so until the lady takes off everything, you won't know what you're dealing with. Speaking of that...
[NSFW]This [http://www.007b.com/] site is a sort of a gallery of "normal" breasts; as in, just pictures of boobs sent by a variety of women that haven't been photoshopped or squeezed into push-ups or otherwise enhanced. The point of the site is to show the incredible variety of what normal breasts can look like. Not to say that boobs in magazines and video games aren't normal, but the image people have of "what breasts should look like and nothing else is good" has been majorly skewed by the media. Also, most of these probably look entirely different while the woman is wearing a bra and good clothes.

OP, big boobs are cool. All boobs are. Of course we shouldn't shame people who love big boobs and we aren't doing it, although there are some prejudices about big boob lovers (actually, most of the shaming affects actual women with big boobs who struggle with certain nasty assumptions such as that they are sluts or always available for ogling, as well as inability to find proper bras and clothing, appearing "unprofessional" and other bullshit). The problem is that, as those two websites might tell you, people have some really skewed perception on what breasts actually look like outside of some relatively rare examples. Also, I really do believe you've been tricked by bras and good clothing choices to think that most women around you have large breasts. I mean, I have small boobs and can make them look pretty large with a good bra, good clothing that emphasizes the shape and favorable lighting and position. It's possible you were just that lucky, but unless you've seen all these women naked, you'll never know if you're right.

 

[Something Amyss]

Though, isn't there a thing that goes "plus or minus a bit if the designers feel like making it confusing" in there somewhere?

Actually, it's probably more than a bit. Women's clothing has a huge amount of size variance between labels/brands/cuts, so this is a pretty big deal. It's also a big deal when you're tall and fat and mostly have to order men's clothing in the first place. Not that I would know anything about that.

And if you look up bras on a site like Amazon, you will often find people complaining that the fit is horrible, even though they always wear (number (letter) bras, so yeah, it's probably relevant here.

I was just elaborating on what another poster had said about the way the measurements work, and the general rule is what I mentioned. Band size is torso (usually right below the breast), cup size is the difference between fullest part of breast and band size in an inches/letter thing. And even if there weren't variance between labels, I imagine this would still be a rough thing.

And even then, I'm told it works a little different in Europe, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was at least somewhat different elsewhere, too, but it seems to follow a similar measurement setup.

But it is a point you made:

The point I made had nothing to do with what Lara was trying to be.

Definitely a misunderstanding. I've never accused you of anything.

Okay, so when you started in on the double standard of how we're okay with blank slate men, that was just...an incidental point in the midst of your response to me?

I don't believe you.

 

[NPC009]

There's nothing wrong with liking big breasts (in this case I'll say D and above) or butts or anything. The issue as I understand it is that there's not much variety and people are capable of liking more than just big breasts, butts ext.

Bigger is not always better as it were and people have different tastes, so if your softcore porn only features a single body type, because that's all you think people will buy, you're missing out on some potential paying customers.

(For the record, "you" is not directed at anyone specifically, and my phrasing of "softcore porn" is not specifically reffering to DoA)

D is actually the overall average. I dunno if that's just for this country or worldwide, but there ya go.

Source? Many (international!) brands barely have any Ds, so that seems very unlikely. If D were average, you'd expect to bras in cup sizes D and up to be more easily available.

 

[Lilani]

There's nothing wrong with liking big breasts (in this case I'll say D and above) or butts or anything. The issue as I understand it is that there's not much variety and people are capable of liking more than just big breasts, butts ext.

Bigger is not always better as it were and people have different tastes, so if your softcore porn only features a single body type, because that's all you think people will buy, you're missing out on some potential paying customers.

(For the record, "you" is not directed at anyone specifically, and my phrasing of "softcore porn" is not specifically reffering to DoA)

D is actually the overall average. I dunno if that's just for this country or worldwide, but there ya go.

D is the average in the UK, C-D is the average in the US depending on who you ask. BUT, these are very recent developments. Just a few decades ago, the average was roughly B in both of these countries. This sudden shift upwards can possibly be attributed to two things: breast augmentation, and the rise of obesity.

 

[Something Amyss]

Most larger sizes stick to the basic white, light brown ("skin colour") and black.

Rarely am I happier to be a fan of basic black.

Come to think of it, the only colour I'm wearing is my glasses.

I think you are very correct in that people should be comfortable with and accept the things which they find attractive, and that in general we need to not make assumptions based on how people treat those of the opposite sex based solely on what physical features they find attractive.

But the way the OP presented their problem, it seems they have a very skewed image of what most women's breasts look like, in both size and shape. As NCP009 up there said, there's nothing wrong with big breasts, but if you've been lead to believe most non-obese women are C and D cups, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Plus that means your knowledge of breasts comes from the media as opposed to reality, which is not a good head space to reside in. Enjoy whatever exaggerated breasts you want, but keep one foot firmly grounded in reality, and understand why many people find it distressing when the media is setting the standard for how breasts do and should look.

Especially when people start to judge reality based on media. This site's had quite a few complaints about women not meeting the standards of anime/game girls. Unsurprising, given the proportions anime/game girls can have. No just in breasts, either.

 

[Something Amyss]

Yes, it was.

Unless you're actually the person, and the only person, responsible for the Lara reboot.

In that case, yes, it was directed at you.

Except that comment had no apparent relation to the developers. You were complaining about the way we receive such characters.

Just to be clear: you are aware I can go back and verify your words, right? Why do you think I'm going to fall for you changing your story with every new post?

 

[EternallyBored]

Especially when people start to judge reality based on media. This site's had quite a few complaints about women not meeting the standards of anime/game girls. Unsurprising, given the proportions anime/game girls can have. No just in breasts, either.

To be fair, like 75% of these topics are created by the same guy, Paragon Fury is pretty much exactly who I expect the topic creator to be whenever I see any topic talking about: anime women, anime breasts, comparing anime women to real women, fanservice games, fanservice, and most topics in Off topic dealing with monster girls. Pretty much any topic that amounts to comparing real women to anime women, you got a better than 50/50 chance that Paragon Fury is behind it.


Not that that's a bad thing, while his topics tend to follow a theme, at least he's creating topics that get more than a page of replies before dying, so he's creating conversation at least. It's just a thread of conversation that is mostly being perpetuated by a single poster, with a small handful of other posters filling in the difference.

 

[Something Amyss]

To be fair, like 75% of these topics are created by the same guy, Paragon Fury is pretty much exactly who I expect the topic creator to be whenever I see any topic talking about: anime women, anime breasts, comparing anime women to real women, fanservice games, fanservice, and most topics in Off topic dealing with monster girls. Pretty much any topic that amounts to comparing real women to anime women, you got a better than 50/50 chance that Paragon Fury is behind it.

Oh, I'm quite familiar with him. But I don't think he makes up quite the number of threads within this larger issue as that. Yes, he's made a bunch of threads about breasts, anime, etc., but the way women are looked at on this board? It doesn't start or end with him, or even come close.

 

[infohippie]

I think the only real complaint I have with video game breasts is that MMOs rarely provide enough options when creating your character. The offered options are usually between "large" and "comedy oversize". If you want to make them smaller than that you're generally out of luck. And if you want to make a petite character that's almost flat chested, you've got no chance.

 

[JimB]

I know people are gonna mock me for this; but to me, these are still completely averaged sized breasts.

In America, given our obesity problem, yes, I don't doubt huge breasts are an average thing. Breasts that huge on the kinds of frames you present being somehow average, though, is a prospect I am considerably more leery of.

It seems that, especially lately, if you express any interest in women who couldn't be mistaken for a boy or have above a B-cup, you're some kind of fetishistic monster (despite the fact that the average cup size in the US is a C).

I will not answer for a position I have never taken and have never seen. I will only say that when gigantic tits are being offered to me as a selling point on a product I am to want to purchase, I get pissy, because I feel like I am being treated like the sixth graders who will only protect the boys from Trent Boyett if they get a picture of Stan's mom's beeewbs. If you're fine with that, then whatever; you do you. I don't have the time or the interest to stand on your shoulder like Jiminy Cricket.

 

[Something Amyss]

I will not answer for a position I have never taken and have never seen. I will only say that when gigantic tits are being offered to me as a selling point on a product I am to want to purchase, I get pissy, because I feel like I am being treated like the sixth graders who will only protect the boys from Trent Boyett if they get a picture of Stan's mom's beeewbs. If you're fine with that, then whatever; you do you. I don't have the time or the interest to stand on your shoulder like Jiminy Cricket.

I find it telling that the alternative to tits larger than your head is "looking like a boy," TBH. I missed that previously.

 

[JimB]

I find it telling that the alternative to tits larger than your head is "looking like a boy," TBH. I missed that previously.

Yeah, but I couldn't think of a way to point that out without feeding into the "you're persecuting me for liking big breasts, which are totally the average" thing. I mean, do you know how much it hurt the sarcastic asshole in me to not make Oedipus jokes about comparing women to his mom? But when the argument is framed in terms of how much internet people are meanies for psychoanalyzing his sexual tastes, it seems a tad self-defeating to psychoanalyze his sexual tastes.

 

[Something Amyss]

Yeah, but I couldn't think of a way to point that out without feeding into the "you're persecuting me for liking big breasts, which are totally the average" thing. I mean, do you know how much it hurt the sarcastic asshole in me to not make Oedipus jokes about comparing women to his mom? But when the argument is framed in terms of how much internet people are meanies for psychoanalyzing his sexual tastes, it seems a tad self-defeating to psychoanalyze his sexual tastes.

You say self-defeating like it's a bad thing!

Wait.

So are you saying you don't want to be infantalised?

 

[Don Incognito]

You say self-defeating like it's a bad thing!

Wait.

So are you saying you don't want to be infantalised?

Previous misadventures on certain internet websites suggest that some people are into that sort of thing.

 

[visiblenoise]

People (just women, maybe??) put too much stock into what guys say on this topic. If asked, of course the average male is going to say that they prefer a generous handful if they're not worried about being tactful (which is always the case on the internet). But more often than not, if nobody asks, it isn't that big of a deal.

 

[Something Amyss]

Previous misadventures on certain internet websites suggest that some people are into that sort of thing.

Misadventures? Are you sure they were misadventures?

People (just women, maybe??) put too much stock into what guys say on this topic. If asked, of course the average male is going to say that they prefer a generous handful if they're not worried about being tactful (which is always the case on the internet). But more often than not, if nobody asks, it isn't that big of a deal.

Weirdly enough, it always seems like it's guys making a big fuss out of this.

 

[Paragon Fury]

So a lot of replies betwee here and my OP, but I'll just hit on a couple of things;

1: "But your topics are so same-y".

Well, people seem to enjoy discussing them and they're one of the few topics that get multiple pages around here. We also remember what happened the last couple of times we tried some more serious topics -

Spoiler

Also, I guess people missed my Ghost in the Shell game and Smash Bros. topics. /cry

2: "Something something blah Oedipus Complex"

Woah there. I didn't say I LIKED my mom that way; it was just weird as hell knowing I had the "hot" mom and I knew it too, especially since I went to all boys school and my mother frequently did the chaperoning for the trips.

But yes, I'm now in no denial that the women that I grew up around were the exception rather than the rule; but lets see how you deal with growing up around something for 18 years and it being in all the media ever and it never being "wrong" (since unlike other things you could mention there isn't anything wrong with big boobs) so there was nothing negative associated with it.

I'm not sure if I was "tricked" or not, but I don't think so considering that I'm fairly certain my family wasn't nearly wealthy enough to be having any of that done.

3: "Wahwah neckbearing"

Look, alright. Have you been on the Internet or around college campuses in a liberal area as of late? Particularly colleges? Basically anything that has to do with a woman's appearance in any way is liable to turn into a shitstorm the like of which you'd expect to find on the Planet of the Apes.

Obviously its by no measure oppression, but commenting on an article about a woman especially in support of the standardized ideal of beauty is a good way to to fill your Facebook notifications with a torrent of shit.

4: Honestly, the "C" number is probably outdated, since it was from back when I was in college - but I don't suspect women in the US LOST a cup size either.

 

[Lilani]

I'm not sure if I was "tricked" or not, but I don't think so considering that I'm fairly certain my family wasn't nearly wealthy enough to be having any of that done.

Even cheap bras give illusions of a larger size, just given the nature of what they are. And they certainly change a lot about the shape, again taking away the natural sagging that unsupported breasts succumb to.

4: Honestly, the "C" number is probably outdated, since it was from back when I was in college - but I don't suspect women in the US LOST a cup size either.

True, but again this can mostly be attributed to the rise of obesity. I think you'd be hard pressed to prove the natural median cup size for non-obese women has gone up. I'm afraid the illusion of larger breasts in average women is just that--an illusion. Basically all bras made are created to push things up and create an illusion of larger size. Throw clothes on top of that and you've got a very generous increase in apparent boob size.

The very fact that we're having this discussion is rather strong evidence of why some people make such a big fuss over the standards set by the media. I'm on the other side of this apparently one-way glass, and I can promise you from this side that boobs don't work that way. They sag, they droop, they aren't always the same size, and they're always smaller than they appear. Some look downright pointy as opposed to round.

Please note that being inexperienced about what boobs are really like is no transgression of any kind. That isn't the problem here. The problem is that you're trying to wrap reality based around your expectations, and your expectations have come from fiction. You know nothing about the size of a woman's boobs unless you see them naked and unsupported. And unless they've had some work done, when they are naked and unsupported they are not going to look like perfectly round spheres glued to the torso. That's all we want to convey to you, man. Enjoy DOA and anime all you like, but don't carry those expectations anywhere near reality.