Britain Blocks Hacker's US Extradition on Human Rights Grounds
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Basically this, they should be throwing the guy a fucking parade! If a kook looking for UFO's was able to do this then what if some actual cyber-terrorists attck? I am seriously worried about the worlds economic future if all the people in charge of protecting it can think when 'some guy' hands them their ass like this is "He needs to be sent to jail!"Daystar Clarion said:
Disclaimer: Im not saying he shouldn't be punished but lets not joke about here people, they wanted to make an example of him to scare the public, thats something ive never agreed with. He should be punished for his crimes, not in place of 'future' criminals.
Pretty much this. Try him wherever you like, he's still going to have to face repercussions for his actions.scotth266 said:
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Not being British or from the US I don't have much to say about this, but if an autistic kid can hack Pentagon and send entire networks to scrambles, US should look into their security and maintenance first. And due to my general distaste for US and their foreign politics I'm also pleased to read that their request was denied.
Lots of British also recognize the fact that every time we make an extradition request to the US they say FU! and will not extradite a US citizen. Like the recent gun smuggling ex-marine, he made a fortune smuggling guns into the UK in bits and pieces but the US courts refused to extradite him and insisted he face trial in the US.Eternal_Lament said:
I'm actually for extradition treaties, it means people can't just hop to another country to escape justice. The key word being justice though and for a number of high profile cases involving Brits being extradited to the US most people don't feel that justice is being done by extraditing them.Eternal_Lament said:
He is mentally unstable and has Aspergers, the fact that he had a high risk of killing himself meant sending him to America would have been a death sentence... and we arent barbarians. Not to mention the living hell that is the American Prisons.Eternal_Lament said:
It seems many people are happy to hear that this guy isn't being extradited on principle alone.
This guy actually hacked a foreign government's military computers. If the US prison system scares him that much, then maybe he should've hacked the military computers of a country with nicer prisons.
This guy actually hacked a foreign government's military computers. If the US prison system scares him that much, then maybe he should've hacked the military computers of a country with nicer prisons.
Im with you but as long as the guy does jail time in England then we should be ok.Tiamattt said:
You also execute the retarded... I would try to commit suicide at EVERY opportunity if I was told I were to be imprisoned in America and I am entirely sound of mind. Your prison system is a disgrace and hopefully this embarrassment causes reform.Kopikatsu said:
My god they found someone with a spine, it's really not much since they hung it all on mental illness, but hey... baby steps.
That would be great, although if what I'm reading from other posts here are true then what he did isn't even considered a crime over there.Granted my understanding of British laws are extremely limited so please forgive me if I'm mistaken.Little Gray said:
I dunno if I can agree with Britain on this one. Because he hacked the American Military, I think it would be fair to at-least give him a trial under a American court. BUT! Before people flip shit at me! I would support an alternative of him serving his sentence or punishment in Britain under the British legal system.
So basically he would get a American Trial for committing crimes against the United States, but his punishment must be carried out by the British system, and any ruling against him would have to fall within British Legalities.
Which means that if in America they gave him a Death Sentence, he would probably only get a Life Sentence in Britain if they don't believe in death sentencing.
So basically he would get a American Trial for committing crimes against the United States, but his punishment must be carried out by the British system, and any ruling against him would have to fall within British Legalities.
Which means that if in America they gave him a Death Sentence, he would probably only get a Life Sentence in Britain if they don't believe in death sentencing.
The US extradites plenty of people to the UK under the same agreement that we extradite people to the US. It just isn't publicised as much because a) the UK doesn't actually make that many requests to the US (the reason we don't ask for them to extradite the IRA suspects is that it would be pointless - we'd have to release them immediately under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, for example) and b) it isn't as good a newspaper headline. If anything, it's probably easier for the US to extradite to the UK due to issues regarding the death penalty and European convention of human rights (the US doesn't have to factor those in in decision making)
Now, don't get me wrong, I think the decision was the correct one in the circumstance, i.e. because he was considered a suicide risk. But the principle that jurisdiction rides in the location the victim was in at the time is a pretty sound one, as long as there is an equivalent crime in the country he is located in (which is the case in nearly all extradition requests). The issue I have with the extradition system in the UK is the time it takes, rather than the general way it operates
Now, don't get me wrong, I think the decision was the correct one in the circumstance, i.e. because he was considered a suicide risk. But the principle that jurisdiction rides in the location the victim was in at the time is a pretty sound one, as long as there is an equivalent crime in the country he is located in (which is the case in nearly all extradition requests). The issue I have with the extradition system in the UK is the time it takes, rather than the general way it operates
Would you prosecute a man with tourettes for swearing at a police officer?
This is essentially the same thing taken to the nth degree. This guy genuinely had no understanding of his actions because he does not understand the world in the same way other people would. Extraditing a mentally ill man who had no understanding of his situation to a foreign country would be wrong.
Personally I don't think he should be tried for the crime in the UK either. It's not about precedent, it's about having a decent amount of compassion towards a mentally ill human being whose been stuck in legal limbo for TEN years.
Also nice to see the government grow a pair over extradition. Now can we please sort out the ridiculous treaty brought in in a rush for TERRORISTS. Not as it's currently used, for anyone the USA feels like.
This is essentially the same thing taken to the nth degree. This guy genuinely had no understanding of his actions because he does not understand the world in the same way other people would. Extraditing a mentally ill man who had no understanding of his situation to a foreign country would be wrong.
Personally I don't think he should be tried for the crime in the UK either. It's not about precedent, it's about having a decent amount of compassion towards a mentally ill human being whose been stuck in legal limbo for TEN years.
Also nice to see the government grow a pair over extradition. Now can we please sort out the ridiculous treaty brought in in a rush for TERRORISTS. Not as it's currently used, for anyone the USA feels like.
