Bugged Xbox Game Busts Murder Suspect

[KeyMaster45]

It looks like this guitar hero is a guitar,

*sunglasses*

Zero.

OT: I laugh every time a story pops up about someone stupid confessing to a crime because they want street cred. I mean ffs you got away with it; just keep your trap shut and you'll never be held accountable for it. Oh well, you can't fix stupid.

 

[insanelich]

Well, there's no argument on which aspect of the story is more sad, but the keyword is psychotic. Just tossing him in a cell with other criminals and possible psychos just seems like an easy way out.

You. Dictionary.

 

[Best of the 3]

Although I am glad they got the guy, I can't help but feel that it was quite a dick move by the uncle. End justifys means maybe? I dunno.

Ends doesn't always justify the means, but it can.

I know they don't always but in this case, I guess they kind of do. They did get the murder. But still, for the uncle to further himself at the cost of his own family going to jail. I don't know if he was just being opertunistic or doing the right thing and got this as a bonus. Kinda tricky.

I agree, they do here. As for the whole "at the cost of his own family", everyone arguing that he shouldn't have done this because the kid was family makes me sick. Loyalty to someone or something you didn't chose to be a part of (much like loyalty to your country) is retarded.

Well I think that you should be able to completely trust your family not to stab you in the back like that. Like a coffession just more personal. Even if my family member did kill someone, I'd support my family before justice hammer smash time and shite.

I'd try to talk them into doing the right thing, turning themself in. If they were a danger to themself or others, then I'd turn my family in. Family first, that's my view. I don;t see how being loyal to your family is a stupid thing.

 

[Sarge034]

Is this even legal? Police bugging someone's house (who wasn't charged with anything and apparently wasn't even officially a suspect)? Exchanging cancellation of a felony for this?

It would have been the DA's decision to offer the deal or not. The cops could have suggested it and implemented it, but they have no pull in the deal making process.

Plus, how long have the police been tapping on the guy? It's unlikely that after two years, they bugged his house and the dude has started talking the very next day. They must have been tapping onto him for very long. Apparently without any warrant.

How long can anyone be wiretapped just because of a suspicion? A year? Two years? For a lifetime? What if he wouldn't talk for another two years? Would they convince another relative of his to get a confession from him?

The police can legally bug a house for as long as the owner is consenting without a warrant. Just like the cops don't need a warrant if you tell them it's ok for them to search your house or car.

Plus this isn't a confession. If I tell someone something in my private, it can have NO legal cause. Ever.

It is if they catch it on tape, unless it is to your religious leader. Which I think is stupid. People can be subpoenaed to testify to what they were told in private if they did not catch it on tape. This is considered circumstantial evidence however, and will only be used if there is more concrete evidence to back it up.

I don't know whether the guy killed someone or not, but with such 'evidence', any judge should dismiss the case off the bat. And the policemen who came up with this scheme should be 'dismissed' as well.

It was a legally obtained tap that resulted in the taped confession of a murderer. Why exactly should a judge dismiss it and the cops/DA lose their jobs?

This is not supposed to be martial law you know. Shit like this can very easily be misused or fabricated, that's why it's not permitted in decent society.

First, if it was martial law they would not have bothered making sure the tap was legal. Second, I don't know how you would fabricate or misuse a murder confession caught on tape. Third, this happens in decent society all the time. What you should really be worried about it what would have happened in an indecent society. Just a hint, they cut off your hand if you steal in the Middle East.

 

[MercurySteam]

And Xbox LIVE wins again.

 

[Kevonovitch]

as a canadian-SON! i am VERY dissapoint! i thought we we're supposed to know how to get away w/ murder D:

in all srs bzns though, wow, stupid kid, stupid situations, gtfo my country!

 

[Krion_Vark]

Is this even legal? Police bugging someone's house (who wasn't charged with anything and apparently wasn't even officially a suspect)? Exchanging cancellation of a felony for this?

Plus, how long have the police been tapping on the guy? It's unlikely that after two years, they bugged his house and the dude has started talking the very next day. They must have been tapping onto him for very long. Apparently without any warrant.

With the consent of the uncle which there was this is 100% legal.

How long can anyone be wiretapped just because of a suspicion? A year? Two years? For a lifetime? What if he wouldn't talk for another two years? Would they convince another relative of his to get a confession from him?

It takes time to even get a suspect out of a group. See above response for the bug.

Plus this isn't a confession. If I tell someone something in my private, it can have NO legal cause. Ever.

Does not mean anything if you are suspected of doing something and there is a recording of you saying you did it you are pretty much fucked. Your own fault for being an idiot.

I don't know whether the guy killed someone or not, but with such 'evidence', any judge should dismiss the case off the bat. And the policemen who came up with this scheme should be 'dismissed' as well.

You really don't understand law enforcement at all. Do you.

This is not supposed to be martial law you know. Shit like this can very easily be misused or fabricated, that's why it's not permitted in decent society.

Again I say you do not know law enforcement. It is actually common practice to get rid of smaller crimes to help with a police investigation whether you like it or not this is 100% legal and no it is not marshal law. Marshal law would be WITHOUT the consent of the uncle whose house was bugged the uncle knew full well what was going on and said it was okay to do it so that pretty much means your entire argument here is invalid about it not being legal.

 

[Best of the 3]

Because a girl DIED. She was murdered, and you think that genetics are more important than someone's life?!

Look, I don't support murder. Not in the slightest. And even if it's family that commits it, it's still very wrong. But what you're saying is, because your family member commits murder they are imidiately worth trash, mean next to nothing to you and you should leave them in their filth. I can't follow that trail of throught.

You seem to think I'd support the murderer if it was my family member that commited it. Help them out, be nice etc etc. I'd support them because they are family. I trust my family with my life and so I'd support them no mattter what. All families are different. Some maybe don't trust each other at all, like the family in this thread. Therefore the uncle didn't care what he did. Fine, but from my view with my life, I just see that as a dick move to pull on another family member. However, do not think I'd support them because they murdered someone. Murder is still wrong.

 

[Pearwood]

Although I am glad they got the guy, I can't help but feel that it was quite a dick move by the uncle. End justifys means maybe? I dunno.

Not really, as soon as you start fighting for murderers' right to privacy society is well and truly fucked.

 

[Best of the 3]

Because a girl DIED. She was murdered, and you think that genetics are more important than someone's life?!

Look, I don't support murder. Not in the slightest. And even if it's family that commits it, it's still very wrong. But what you're saying is, because your family member commits murder they are imidiately worth trash, mean next to nothing to you and you should leave them in their filth. I can't follow that trail of throught.

You seem to think I'd support the murderer if it was my family member that commited it. Help them out, be nice etc etc. I'd support them because they are family. I trust my family with my life and so I'd support them no mattter what. All families are different. Some maybe don't trust each other at all, like the family in this thread. Therefore the uncle didn't care what he did. Fine, but from my view with my life, I just see that as a dick move to pull on another family member. However, do not think I'd support them because they murdered someone. Murder is still wrong.

What if there was video of the murder, and it was clear it was them? Would you still support them after that?

Yeah.

I was assuming I already knew that my family member would have murdered someone but ok. How does this make a difference?

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

Woah... Sell out your family member for dropping drunk driver charges. I would not want to be in the guy's skin when the kids mother gets to him.


Also kid got what he deserved. Hope he gets serious jail time to think about it

Would jail really help in this situation? Who knows, but it's a shame that yet another young man will waste his youth locked up in prison.

You know what's more sad? Parents having to bury their daughter because of other parents that cannot control their psychotic kid.

Also binnsboy. It's not that I think what his uncle did was unjustified. But family should not not SELL OUT family, if the uncle did it for the best interest of the kid he would do it without needing a reward, and especially as pathetic one as cancelation of DUI charges.

Well, there's no argument on which aspect of the story is more sad, but the keyword is psychotic. Just tossing him in a cell with other criminals and possible psychos just seems like an easy way out.

Because he deserves so much better, right?

 

[Best of the 3]

Because a girl DIED. She was murdered, and you think that genetics are more important than someone's life?!

Look, I don't support murder. Not in the slightest. And even if it's family that commits it, it's still very wrong. But what you're saying is, because your family member commits murder they are imidiately worth trash, mean next to nothing to you and you should leave them in their filth. I can't follow that trail of throught.

You seem to think I'd support the murderer if it was my family member that commited it. Help them out, be nice etc etc. I'd support them because they are family. I trust my family with my life and so I'd support them no mattter what. All families are different. Some maybe don't trust each other at all, like the family in this thread. Therefore the uncle didn't care what he did. Fine, but from my view with my life, I just see that as a dick move to pull on another family member. However, do not think I'd support them because they murdered someone. Murder is still wrong.

What if there was video of the murder, and it was clear it was them? Would you still support them after that?

Yeah.

I was assuming I already knew that my family member would have murdered someone but ok. How does this make a difference?

It means that you would (metaphorically) piss on the grave of a dead girl over something you can't even chose. It means you'd defend a guilty man and spit in the girl's families' faces. It means that you don't care about right or wrong, justice or guilty people being punished. It means that you are just as bad as the murdering scum you'd protect.

Well thank god my family isn't murdering scum then >_>

I never said I'd defend them for killing a person, as I've said a few times, muder is wrong and all that. And of corse justice should be saught after. Punishment definately. I would still support my family though, I wouldn't leave them even through you say I should. Cause you know, they'd be scum.

Course, I may act completely differently if actually in this position. I've never been in it, never intend to be either. But unless I am actuallly thrust into that situation I still say I'd support my family, and trust them. Not defend them for a murder.

 

[DefinitelyPsychotic]

I can understand him getting into an altercation (if he felt that his life was threatened), but was it really necessary for him to kill the other person?

 

[Paksenarrion]

The uncle's name is Charlie.

 

[Saulkar]

I live only 3 hours from Saskatoon, hell even some family there. As to this whole ordeal. If the Uncle did what he did because he thought it would be the best I am all for it but clearly he did it to have some charges dropped so I do not agree with it at all. Second: I personally believe the child should be punished but at the same time I do not believe he should be deprived of his life. He took a life, an act that will never lead to recovery or redemption. A person will never have the opportunity to exist to their full potential but at the same time punishing the murderer will only result in more incidents in the future. Locking him up with other criminals will breed a criminal. Giving him the opportunity to have an education and a chance to make something of himself will prevent a criminal from becoming under the circumstances that he does not have preexisting mental issues. But non the less he should never be allowed to forget what he did.

To end this I say bugging is too grey an area for me to comment on.

 

[Frosted89]

Why did they put the bug in the Xbox? Between the Xbox's loud humming while powered on and Guitar Hero's music, It's not really going to be the best spot to get crucial information, I mean, apparently it worked but still, it's not the first place I would of chosen.

Man, I can't imagine how the relationship between this family is going to be after this whole mess, but between one family member being a killer and the other being a drunk driving backstabber, chances are there wasn't really a family friendly environment to begin with. Either way I'm glad a killer was caught and a grieving family can rest easy knowing that the coward who took their loved one away from them is going to be behind bars.

As for the Uncle, while he did aid in the capture of a murderer; He did so for selfish reasons and in my opinion is a...well, I'll let you take it from here George Takei.

 

[BabyRaptor]

Woah... Sell out your family member for dropping drunk driver charges. I would not want to be in the guy's skin when the kids mother gets to him.

My thoughts exactly. Not saying the kid doesn't deserve to be punished, but...

Well, at least the drunk driver will still get what's coming to him.