Uhura said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
And please, no more hypothetical points. Its kind of portentous no offense, as it implies that you know the situation better than those involved to such a point that you knew better.
Just like you don't know what kind of career he has had and what kind of situations he has faced. Just like you don't know if people would have reacted differently if he had punched a 25 year old guy or if he would have gotten in trouble if he had just thrown the girl out of the bus. You see,
if you want to imply that other people are being pretentious with their hypothetical points, you may not want to make them yourself.
There's a difference between my points and yours. With me I'm taking general probability into account considering the past 22 years of the driver's career up to this point. Chances of him having had to deal with erratic behaviour at least once in his 22 year career is pretty high. I'm not even going to go to the extent of researching where he was driving and the crime rates. That's an assumption that makes sense. I think we can all agree that bus drivers in generally populated urban areas get treated like crap by random assholes from time to time.
You're hypothetical points come off as trying to say that what you predict what would happen in what every situation you throw up is set in stone. There's no way to tell if the person who assaulted the bus driver would have backed down had the cops been called. You're predicting reactions to scenarios you set up. That's my beef.
And arguing hypothetical points with more hypothetical points is generally a waste of time as it diverts from what happened in general.
I get that you're not a fan of people praising what the driver did. But you're original post on this thread has garnered arguments for a reason.
Uhura said:
He clearly uses excessive force in handling the situation. She could have sustained serious injuries from that punch and I think it's pretty sad that so many people here seem to think that the driver's actions were somehow justified and reasonable.
I honestly don't think that he was at all concerned with the amount of force that he used when he struck her. People in physical altercations don't carry that in their head at the moment in time. I know I didn't when I was in fights in the past. He wasn't thinking clearly, obviously. He just reacted. Her getting hit was a result. Thankfully he had enough of a grip on his bearings to toss hear off the bus instead of going for punch number 2.
I even agree and have said that his actions were not justifiable, but to say that they were unreasonable is a bit portentous. Especially when considering the factors presented in the video itself. We can even take away the chances of violence and insanity that can occur in a bus driver's career completely. There is a reason he struck her. Not a great reason, but a human reason. He got sick of her egging him on and could not take another moment of it.
That's why I can look at the video and say, "I can see why he did that." Not saying I'd ever punch a women, but then again, I've never been put in a situation like that so I can never say never. I know people shouldn't be praising him for the punch, but to be honest given how things went down there was really no other way it could have happened unfortunately. People do things without thinking all the time. We live in a society where being a flawed person at certain points makes you a monster to some. Not saying you're calling him a monster, but to sit there and lecture others for merely being entertained in a situation where no one was put in the hospital is a bit much. Had he killed/seriously injured her, very few of the people on this thread praising the driver would be doing so, and anyone that did would most likely be verbally told to leave.
Look, we cheered Little Zangeif after he put a bully in crutches. We as a society told him he did nothing wrong. The bus driver reacted in the same way. He lost his job.
I found this incident interesting because the whole situation was stupid. And in the end they both learned something. He'll try not to slug people who piss him off, and she'll bring money to the bus stop and won't start a fight with the driver.
I can't speak for everyone but the majority of us who were entertained by this are not horrible people who live to see this stuff happen. To shame everyone who laughed at this is understandable, but my beef was with your use of hypothetical situations to argue hypotheticals.
That's like kicking water uphill, it's just come back all day.
