Bus driver uppercuts woman

[inquisiti0n]

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You do realise the privileges you are talking about were started by men because they think women are so weak.
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Stop making an issue up where there isn't one.

How did that even make sense in your head? The privileges they benefit from are outdated and completely undeserved at this point, so clearly that would be an real issue as opposed to an imaginary one. Not to mention how deliberately obtuse or sheltered one would have to be to believe even for a second that the majority of women in real life don't enjoy the benefits of the "never hit a woman" mentality, which thus perpetuates said mentality.


Or, are you suggesting that self-inflicted problems by men (even though that would implicitly generalize all men as one single entity) don't need to be addressed by women who claim equality? Cuz by that standard, women call each other sluts, so it's not my problem.

 

[Setrus]

Why was she shouting at him in the first place? That said, good swing.

 

[omega 616]

OT: Damit i came in hoping it wasn't a black woman , and by golly it was . I swear you never see white women getting all roudy and violent let alone hit by a bus driver .

Are you serious? I can think of two videos off the top of my head which disproves that.



They may not be violent but they are definitely rowdy.

Being a dick isn't down to one race, it's culture not genetic.

On topic. Damn, bet her neck hurts!

I guess the genders are becoming more equal, not so long ago hitting a woman was unheard of outside of domestic abuse.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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My issue is that the 'privilege' they claim we have was something started by men. Not one woman here, as I said in my original post, is saying that the guy had no right to defend himself because his assailant was a woman.

I'm not suggesting that second point at all, what I am saying is that they shouldn't get whiny about so called privileges they started in the first place and that no woman in their right mind believes in them.

Seems like you agree with me but you didn't read my entire post or something.

 

[TeletubbiesGolfGun]

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My issue is that the 'privilege' they claim we have was something started by men. Not one woman here, as I said in my original post, is saying that the guy had no right to defend himself because his assailant was a woman.

I'm not suggesting that second point at all, what I am saying is that they shouldn't get whiny about so called privileges they started in the first place and that no woman in their right mind believes in them.

Seems like you agree with me but you didn't read my entire post or something.

No true Scotsman fallacy. Plenty of women buy into that double standard, just like plenty of men do. That's why it's still the social norm.

I'd also like to point out that 'we' didn't start anything. Seeing as 'we' weren't alive when that double standard got started.

agreed on this, you cannot call out on something that 'we' didn't start, and at the same time you can't ignore that it is a culture/social thing that is still huge out in the world.

hell i remember this guy back in my senior year of high school, got 2 week suspension cuz some girl scratched up his face and he grabbed her by her weave and threw her down to get her off of him, and that is all he did, while she got one day detention.

their reason? "she was clearly not a threat and you should never do that." (while he had 3 wolverine like marks on his face from her.)

 

[inquisiti0n]

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My issue is that the 'privilege' they claim we have was something started by men. Not one woman here, as I said in my original post, is saying that the guy had no right to defend himself because his assailant was a woman.

I'm not suggesting that second point at all, what I am saying is that they shouldn't get whiny about so called privileges they started in the first place and that no woman in their right mind believes in them.

Seems like you agree with me but you didn't read my entire post or something.

Yea... no. Historically, the majority of women have been complicit in their "oppression" (hence why feminism was opposed by even most women when it first started), but that doesn't mean women who are currently alive share any responsibility in that.

And trying to discredit it by calling it "whiny" is ridiculous. Some might say that complaining about a female character having a slightly low-cut outfit in a game where 95% of violence is committed against male characters is "whiny", among other things.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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Despite them being 'complicit' it was still started by men. So you shouldn't complain about a sexist attitude that demeans women by saying they are no good in a fight since it's us that it's sexist against.

The same goes for front line service in the army, misogynists are always quick to dredge that up although the people keeping us from fighting are male. You can't group us all together as a hive mind that takes advantage of this so called privilege and then refuse to think of your own sex the same way, that's just hypocritical.

And the violence is to make you feel powerful, unfortunately some games developers don't want women to have power fantasy they are only concerned about male gamers.

 

[Aaron Foltz]

This is hilarious. All of it. It's socioeconomically hilarious.

At the end of the day it's boils down to "You mess with me, I'll mess with you." Those who say it's just our animals instincts, I completely agree. Though you may not condone it's part of who we are.

Acceptance and Commitment Therapy.

 

[Mr.PlanetEater]

Guile's Theme turned that video from a "What the fuck." to a "Damn, that was one hell of a punch."

 

[GildaTheGriffin]

That video has been... Terminated! :3

 

[theultimateend]

OT: Damit i came in hoping it wasn't a black woman , and by golly it was . I swear you never see white women getting all roudy and violent let alone hit by a bus driver .

yay, not only is this a gender video, we get to add race into it!

(I am being sarcastic, don't take that as an attack or anything.)

The only two times the circuit city I worked at had to deal with really heavy theft, one was a case of an employee stealing dozens of credit cards, and the other was a guy who found out if you stack those magnetic cases on top of one another with enough of them they won't set off the alarms (this is still true, but don't steal things), both of them were black people.

Now that doesn't change my view of anyone, as far as I'm concerned anything you can't control about yourself means shit to me. I don't care about your gender, your race, your height, or your eye color.

But I felt bad for my friend because he said basically what that person you quoted said. The first time when that employee was stealing cards he was one of two black people working at the store with my friend being the other. He lamented to me for ages about how annoying this was because being so underrepresented meant that folks would look at him like "he was involved."

Then later when that guy did the magnetic thing I remember him saying "Please don't be black." as we walked back into the break room to see the little wanted/warning poster they had put up and he started ranting about how annoying it was.

I dunno, it has to be strange always hoping that that sort of thing isn't the case just because folks will stereotype you. In my life experiences I've met a LOT of women (and men) who have acted like they were "thug" and a good deal of them got their shit kicked in because they were as lightly built as I am. People just tend to remember the incidents that best fit with their preconceptions.

Before anyone notes that our store was obviously robbed by lots of folks and that I'm proving my own point, the guy who stole all those credit cards was memorable because the FBI [I was told] got involved and he got caught ONLY because he started using them to buy things online and ship the shit TO HIS HOUSE. You don't forget that.

The second is because after the second incident our store LITERALLY told us to follow any well dressed black people who enter the store. [To clarify he was in a suit with a nice watch etc according to the sign and our meeting.]

So yeah, you don't forget that kind of nonsense. I'm just glad I wasn't there for the DVD robbery because they were so pissed. I remember the amount of money being lost was in the thousands and I spent weeks trying to figure out how you could steal that much money in DVDs and it not be obvious.

Wouldn't the paper shredder be like 300 lbs? I mean I guess they could have just scanned it in his cart but wouldn't that have felt super suspicious since we always just drag them across the table scanner?

...bugs me to this day. Don't care about the rest of the story, just wonder how he stole THAT much.

PS. This was the Silverdale CC, so anyone who worked there or has friends who worked there can confirm these things did happen .

 

[TeletubbiesGolfGun]

OT: Damit i came in hoping it wasn't a black woman , and by golly it was . I swear you never see white women getting all roudy and violent let alone hit by a bus driver .

yay, not only is this a gender video, we get to add race into it!

(I am being sarcastic, don't take that as an attack or anything.)

The only two times the circuit city I worked at had to deal with really heavy theft, one was a case of an employee stealing dozens of credit cards, and the other was a guy who found out if you stack those magnetic cases on top of one another with enough of them they won't set off the alarms (this is still true, but don't steal things), both of them were black people.

Now that doesn't change my view of anyone, as far as I'm concerned anything you can't control about yourself means shit to me. I don't care about your gender, your race, your height, or your eye color.

But I felt bad for my friend because he said basically what that person you quoted said. The first time when that employee was stealing cards he was one of two black people working at the store with my friend being the other. He lamented to me for ages about how annoying this was because being so underrepresented meant that folks would look at him like "he was involved."

Then later when that guy did the magnetic thing I remember him saying "Please don't be black." as we walked back into the break room to see the little wanted/warning poster they had put up and he started ranting about how annoying it was.

I dunno, it has to be strange always hoping that that sort of thing isn't the case just because folks will stereotype you. In my life experiences I've met a LOT of women (and men) who have acted like they were "thug" and a good deal of them got their shit kicked in because they were as lightly built as I am. People just tend to remember the incidents that best fit with their preconceptions.

Before anyone notes that our store was obviously robbed by lots of folks and that I'm proving my own point, the guy who stole all those credit cards was memorable because the FBI [I was told] got involved and he got caught ONLY because he started using them to buy things online and ship the shit TO HIS HOUSE. You don't forget that.

The second is because after the second incident our store LITERALLY told us to follow any well dressed black people who enter the store. [To clarify he was in a suit with a nice watch etc according to the sign and our meeting.]

So yeah, you don't forget that kind of nonsense. I'm just glad I wasn't there for the DVD robbery because they were so pissed. I remember the amount of money being lost was in the thousands and I spent weeks trying to figure out how you could steal that much money in DVDs and it not be obvious.

Wouldn't the paper shredder be like 300 lbs? I mean I guess they could have just scanned it in his cart but wouldn't that have felt super suspicious since we always just drag them across the table scanner?

...bugs me to this day. Don't care about the rest of the story, just wonder how he stole THAT much.

PS. This was the Silverdale CC, so anyone who worked there or has friends who worked there can confirm these things did happen .

while this was a long story, slightly ranting at some points (not a big deal), i do understand what you were getting at and i do agree, however everyone should be prepared to deal with these kinds of folks and just say "hey, you're being ignorant if you think just because of something i'm born with makes me a part of this."

i've been targeted before for being a white male, and i told em to piss off because i was *said alibi here* and there was no way i'd be doing that, and the person retracted what they said after i covered my bases. (tbh they were pissed off that they got called out on their lie, but hey, i was in the clear after telling the truth so didn't bother me none.)

most people are just pulling at threads whenever shit happens, just so they can try and put some kind of perspective on something (regardless of how retarded it is).

I feel for your friend, but if he was ever associated with that person you bet your ass he will probably be grilled about it. unfortunate? yes, but it happens to everyone, not just one specific race/gender, so it's just one of those things that is either going to go away over time or just gonna have to deal with it.

 

[Vrex360]

Oh bloody hell not this again.
Inb4 all the dudes saying `WELL EQUALITY` with a bit too much relish (and these people are usually the ones who only care about `equality` when it's smacking someone in the face).

Nobody should hit anyone, self defence is acceptable, but you should not use unreasonable force. We have danced this tango before.

Snore

Thank you, summarized my thoughts on the whole thing.

I've seen the full version of this video and I can tell you right now that this is NOT 'self defence'. The girl was being aggressive and unreasonable and bitchy, this is true. However she was also clearly backing off and moving away when he got up[, he wasn't defending himself. He was just retaliating in anger.

Also justify this to me righteous defenders of this guy's right to "self defence" did you see the part of the video in the official police report where after he knocks her down with violent force that sends her to the ground he then proceeded to strangle her after she tried to get back up? He fucking tackled her and proceeded to attempt to strangle her while also slamming her against the wall over and over again and someone else had to pull him away to get him to stop. Rationalize how this is self defence because I'm drawing a blank.

After a heated confrontation, that she was moving away from, he upper cut her and she hit the ground and then he lunged at her attempting to strangle her while slamming her against the wall over and over again. Yeah he was really afraid for his safety... I'm sorry the girl may have been acting like an aggressive ***** but this guy is clearly mentally unhinged and possibly even a psychopath and it disturbs me that The Escapist leaps to celebrate him for beating up an unruly girl like he's some kind of hero.

This is Rayon Mcintosh all over again.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/cleveland-bus-punch-report-687451

[HEADING=1]DO NOT QUOTE ME, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN CONTINUING THIS ARGUMENT.[/HEADING]

 

[BishopofAges]

Simply put: You act ugly to others, others will act ugly to you. No gender bias, no situational, just karma. Fucked up goes around, fucked up comes around.

 

[Vrex360]

He stunned her than grabbed her and and tried to throw her off the bus and throw her shit out with her too. This is what people do in the real world.

Okay we're clearly watching different videos here because in the verion I linked he stopped the bus, walked over to her, punched her and sent her flying and then you can clearly see him wrapping his hands around her neck attempting to strangle her. He did not 'stun' her and he most certainly was not trying to 'throw her off the bus' because you don't need to grab someone by the throat and squeeze vigorously to get them to leave the bus.

I swear, does this kind of shit need to be explained? And how is he a psychopath for hitting back?

Because he was not at risk from this woman, she was actually backing off and was content to just insult him from a distance. This wasn't self defence, this was just him retaliating. Besides which a few small punches and slaps are bad and a case for assault, full on uppercutting someone and sending them flying and then proceeding to choke them while slamming them against walls repeatedly is SO VERY MUCH WORSE. His reaction, his 'hitting back' was disproportionate to the attack he had recieved.
And yes I would call someone who knocks someone down with one punch and then aggressively attempts to strangle them and needs to be pulled away to be stopped a psychopath. I find that to be a fucking fair description.

You stun the dumb ass and toss her out, that's what bus drivers do to people to cause trouble. If you can't handle that, go live in fantasy land.

I'm not in fantasy land, you are apparently though if you think almost killing someone with excessive bludgeoning and strangulation is equivical to 'stunning them and tossing them out'.

If she stayed, she would have posed a risk to everyone on that damn bus, because you don't mess with someone driving a bus.

More so than the guy driving who stopped the bus so that he could violently attack someone? Surely you jest.

You wanna know why? Because he could swerve into a crowd of people because she decided to act ghetto. You don't mess with bus drivers, period.

Yeah he could have swerved and caused serious damage while the bus was completely motionless.
Believe me if all he did was throw her off the bus I wouldn't have minded, but this cannot be justified and the more you try to justify it-

The "but its a girl" comment doesn't apply when you have to explain to a crowd of people why they are paralyzed for their life and why their loved ones are in the morgue.

-The more pathetic you look. Also for the love of god I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE GENDER ISSUE HERE. If this had been some twenty year old man that he'd punched so hard that he flew and then proceeded to attempt to strangle then I would be in the exact same fucking position. I don't care about gender, so don't bring it up.

Seriously your argument that passengers were somehow in danger is ridiculous, the only time anyone came close to being in danger was when he was strangling someone and lashing out at the people trying to intervene.

[HEADING=1]STOP QUOTING ME, I HAVE NO DESIRE TO CONTINUE THIS DEBATE.[/HEADING]

 

[Simonoly]

Wonderful uppercut. A little more professional conduct from the bus driver would have been preferable though. The full video shows that it did start off quite tame and by the looks of things her constant harassment just pushed him over the edge. I've seen bus drivers physically remove violent/abusive passengers before and they didn't need to uppercut them and then proceed to strangle them. There is such a thing as force within reason.

The videos are not particularly clear though. For all I know he was actually trying to cuddle her when they were on the ground.

 

[Paddin]

whats all this about woman complaining about equal rights i keep hearing?

Brad...what are you doing?

Shut up Cease this incessant troll-baiting and boot up Borderlands 2 so we can play.

I would if i could, but i was at work when you wrote this but tomorrow...today... WHATEVER IM ZERO

You pair of liberal hippies, you probably just hate women. HATERS.

Regardless of gender and other issues, that really was a beautiful punch.

 

[Vrex360]

EDIT: Screw it, not getting involved.

 

[Vrex360]

Double post, ignore.

 

[Loonyyy]

I don't get you people who feel the need to come in here and say "OOOOP! NO! CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS CUZ IT'LL LEAD TO A GENDER WAR!" or "TC JUST POSTED THIS TO START A GENDER WAR!" I mean, first off, two or three people arguing in a topic is not a war, and yes, it's usually two or three people who argue and not many more. Second off, welcome to the internet. We all know that arguments happen; you aren't amazing us with your ability to predict them. So good job on contributing nothing except your own arrogance to a topic that's just about a funny video.

Because the guy who started the thread ended it with a blatant incentive to start one. The sarcastic responses calling it are people noting it and refusing to take the bait.