Buying my first gun.

[StBishop]

Damn, double post.

 

[Rheinmetall]

in my opinion one should stay away from real guns in their everyday life as much as possible. Anything can happen.

What?

Someone who has done military service actually believes firearms have a will of their own?

Whoa, you guys shouldn't issue firearms to the armed forces. "Anything can happen", after all.

Maybe I didn't express myself correctly; when I say anything can happen, I'm afraid of what a man can do with a weapon in his hand, not the gun itself.

 

[Rheinmetall]

in my opinion one should stay away from real guns in their everyday life as much as possible. Anything can happen.

What?

Someone who has done military service actually believes firearms have a will of their own?

Whoa, you guys shouldn't issue firearms to the armed forces. "Anything can happen", after all.

Maybe I didn't express myself correctly; when I say anything can happen, I'm afraid of what a man can do with a weapon in his hand, not the gun itself.

hate to break it to you but I can kill you just as easy without a gun as with one... not to mention you come into contact with dozens of items in your everyday life that are just as deadly as guns if not more so the only difference is that killing isn't their primary purpose... cars kill more people a year in most countries than guns so I guess we should all avoid them to... oh oh and electricity cause electric fires and electrocution kill more people a year than guns too... cause ya know anything can happen

Okay, you have a point. It sounds logical.
But let me ask you one thing: Imagine this extreme scenario: If most people do carry a gun, with the same analogy that people drive cars, wouldn't this make you worried? Would you really trust half of the population of a city that they will make reasonable use of their guns? And I'm not talking about madmen, but ordinary people who would face ordinary situations in their lives, but with a gun in their pocket. Or let me put it with another way. In a quarell we have two men yelling, pushing eachother and generally be violent. In the same quarell if one of these two parties, or both of them, had a gun with them, then wouldn't this raise dramatically the chances of something really bad to happen?

 

[senordesol]

Okay, you have a point. It sounds logical.
But let me ask you one thing: Imagine this extreme scenario: If most people do carry a gun, with the same analogy that people drive cars, wouldn't this make you worried? Would you really trust half of the population of a city that they will make reasonable use of their guns? And I'm not talking about madmen, but ordinary people who would face ordinary situations in their lives, but with a gun in their pocket. Or let me put it with another way. In a quarell we have two men yelling, pushing eachother and generally be violent. In the same quarell if one of these two parties, or both of them, had a gun with them, then wouldn't this raise dramatically the chances of something really bad to happen?

If they both had a gun -and knew it- the quarrel would probably simmer down quickly. M.A.D. and all that.

 

[ElPatron]

Maybe I didn't express myself correctly; when I say anything can happen, I'm afraid of what a man can do with a weapon in his hand, not the gun itself.

I know. That is why I replied in two ways.

The second one was about not trusting others.

I'll make my opinion clear. If I can't trust everyone else with guns, I can't trust my own government to have guns.

I live in Portugal. We are pretty much retarded when it comes to guns. We have a majority of responsible citizens that is *drowned* by a minority of criminals and irresponsible gun owners.

So, I can't trust my fellow citizens to bear arms. Therefore I don't trust governmental forces. The police officers rarely get to train with firearms. We had cases of weapons stolen from the Marines.

My point is: if you can't trust citizens to have weapons, you can't trust the conscription system anyway. Or the regular military, for that matter.

But everyday we trust other humans to drive cars, handle knives, fly planes, deal with nuclear energy, etc etc etc.

I think it's scarier that we make our driver's licenses too easy so that at least 90% of the population can pass them than X out of 100 habitants owning guns.

But let me ask you one thing: Imagine this extreme scenario: If most people do carry a gun, with the same analogy that people drive cars, wouldn't this make you worried? Would you really trust half of the population of a city that they will make reasonable use of their guns?

Wikipedia tiem:

Using publicly available media reports, the Violence Policy Center claims that from May 2007 through the end of 2009, concealed carry permit holders in the U.S. have killed at least 117 individuals, including 9 law enforcement officers (excluding cases where individuals were acquitted, but including pending cases). There were about 25,000 murders by firearm that period,[96][97] meaning that concealed carry permit holders committed less than 1% of the murders by firearm. Furthermore, a large number of the victims were killed in extended suicides, most of which took place in the home of the shooter, where arms can be possessed without special permits.[98]

In Australia where it's hard to get a gun, it could be argued that introducing a child to a gun is a bad idea.

I understand that culturally the States is very different to over here.

Oh, my. Not this again.

I already mentioned that in the UK kids as young as 10 get shotgun permits. Mostly because they are living in a farm and require a permit so that they can have training.

It's not "US this or US that".

In fact, if you go to a city in the US and ask around, most people will tell you that only criminals and cops need guns. Or that evil baby killing assault weapons should be banned.

 

[Malyc]

Oh, my. Not this again.

I already mentioned that in the UK kids as young as 10 get shotgun permits. Mostly because they are living in a farm and require a permit so that they can have training.

It's not "US this or US that".

In fact, if you go to a city in the US and ask around, most people will tell you that only criminals and cops need guns. Or that evil baby killing assault weapons should be banned.

Never actually seen an "assault weapon" (Fuck you, Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement act, you make people everywhere think of semi auto sporting rifles as military grade weapons of mass destruction) kill a baby. Not to mention that said weapons are less powerful than the standard hunting rifle that is far easier to obtain, but doesn't look as cool.

 

[ElPatron]

Never actually seen an "assault weapon" (Fuck you, Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement act, you make people everywhere think of semi auto sporting rifles as military grade weapons of mass destruction) kill a baby. Not to mention that said weapons are less powerful than the standard hunting rifle that is far easier to obtain, but doesn't look as cool.

Not that true. The gas bleeding trough the port in the barrel hardly decreases pressure.
Assuming a 20"bbl AR15 and a 20"bbl bolt action rifle the velocities are going to be nearly identical.

If you want cool "evil looking" weapons, I've seen a brit obtaining a Ruger 10/22 and he ordered an Archangel modification kit without it being seized or anything.

 

[Malyc]

Never actually seen an "assault weapon" (Fuck you, Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement act, you make people everywhere think of semi auto sporting rifles as military grade weapons of mass destruction) kill a baby. Not to mention that said weapons are less powerful than the standard hunting rifle that is far easier to obtain, but doesn't look as cool.

Not that true. The gas bleeding trough the port in the barrel hardly decreases pressure.
Assuming a 20"bbl AR15 and a 20"bbl bolt action rifle the velocities are going to be nearly identical.

If you want cool "evil looking" weapons, I've seen a brit obtaining a Ruger 10/22 and he ordered an Archangel modification kit without it being seized or anything.

When I said the tactical guns like the AR-15 were weaker, I was referring to them being mostly chambered in .223 or .308, whereas hunting rifles are commonly found all the way up to .300 Win Mag in semi-auto configurations. Now, if we were comparing two rifles that WERE chambered in .223 or .308, I'd agree that there would be no noticeable difference between the two, other than maybe a reduced recoil in the AR type, as they are usually slightly heavier than a hunting rifle.

The Archangel kit for the 10/22 is badass... If it wasn't as expensive as the gun itself, I'd think about getting it for mine.

 

[jdun]

my first pistol was a classic colt detective special .38 snubnose... got it on my 8th birthday and still have it

Are you kidding me...

why? teaching firearm safety from an early age is much better than trying to teach it to an adult... I learned firearm safety and handling starting when I was 5... under supervision of course... I mean it's not like I turned 8, had never held a gun before and they just handed me a loaded pistol and said "go outside and play"

Gun Clubs teach kids as young as three years old on gun safety and shooting. There was a time in America when you can bring guns into school and store them in your locker. There was a time in America where learning how to shoot was part of the school curriculum.

 

[jdun]

How much are you willing to spend?

up to 1k,

I want a decent enough handgun to at least compensate for my in experience

In that case, definitely go with a 1911 style handgun. Trigger is damned good, especially in the more expensive examples, parts are everywhere, you can buy kits to convert them to .22 for practice shooting, they feel good in the hand, and just look damned sexy.

*Is not COMPLETELY biased, owns a Springfield XD 9mm, just likes the 1911 better.

Here is the problem. He live in Australia and like most countries in the world the .45ACP isn't common. Only in American and former colonies like the Philippians use .45ACP. With that said he can get a 1911 in 9mm.

 

[jdun]

in my opinion one should stay away from real guns in their everyday life as much as possible. Anything can happen.

What?

Someone who has done military service actually believes firearms have a will of their own?

Whoa, you guys shouldn't issue firearms to the armed forces. "Anything can happen", after all.

Maybe I didn't express myself correctly; when I say anything can happen, I'm afraid of what a man can do with a weapon in his hand, not the gun itself.

What military were you in and what branch?

 

[jdun]

Fun facts Australia has 15 privately owned firearms per 100 citizens... that's not a lot but hell Pakistan only has 11.6 and Iran has 7.3 per 100 citizens and those are rather violent places... Hell they even beat Russia which has 8.9 per 100 citizens... USA still number one in the world tho in privately owned guns with 88.8 per every 100 citizens

keep in mind tho those are PRIVATELY owned firearms... they don't include military, police or any government agency ...

just saying less guns owned by citizens doesn't really correlate that much with how violent or non-violent a country is... that's more dependent on culture...

You pretty much correct on how many guns is in the USA. The NRA said over 300 millions or one gun per US citizen. While the UN number is over 280 millions.

My opinion is that the USA has well over 300 millions firearms of all types. Firearms are very durable hardware. They can last forever if taken care off. Of course you have to replace worn out parts as it comes. Overall if you don't shoot it much and keep rust away via oil it will last forever.

Since Obama election there has been a massive amount of firearms purchases for the last three years.

http://ammo.net/obama

 

[Stu35]

so even using a stricter definition of violent crime, they still have an increase in violent crime and Britain still has more violent crime than the US.....

Untrue.

The city of Detroit alone has more violent crime than the entire United Kingdom and all overseas territory.

Once again though: I don't actually give a fuck about whether or not guns are legal. Genuinely I think it's the culture of a nation (or area) over whether or not they have access to firearms.

That in itself is not support of gun ownership either though btw.

So yeah, I'm pretty much on the fence on this.

 

[Smagmuck_]

Hey guys,

I just got back from my holiday on Hamilton island, I got to have my first real go with a few different hand guns, a Glock 9mm, SW .38, SW.357 magnum and the fabled SW .44 Magnum.

I had an absolute ball and it has convinced me to purchase my first gun.

The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special

what do you guys think?

do any of you own any firearms or even go shooting yourselves?

http://boards.4chan.org/k/

You'd be better asking here, sport. Sure it's 4Chan, but these guys know what they're talking about in terms of firearms.

 

[jdun]

in my opinion one should stay away from real guns in their everyday life as much as possible. Anything can happen.

What?

Someone who has done military service actually believes firearms have a will of their own?

Whoa, you guys shouldn't issue firearms to the armed forces. "Anything can happen", after all.

Maybe I didn't express myself correctly; when I say anything can happen, I'm afraid of what a man can do with a weapon in his hand, not the gun itself.

hate to break it to you but I can kill you just as easy without a gun as with one... not to mention you come into contact with dozens of items in your everyday life that are just as deadly as guns if not more so the only difference is that killing isn't their primary purpose... cars kill more people a year in most countries than guns so I guess we should all avoid them to... oh oh and electricity cause electric fires and electrocution kill more people a year than guns too... cause ya know anything can happen

I don't know if the liberals were successful or not but they tried to ban knives in the UK. Apparently the prefer weapon for UK criminals to commit crimes or murders is with the use of the kitchen knives.

https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+ban+knife&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

There was this lady and let me stress WAS that lead the banning of firearms in the UK. Making her follow citizens defenseless against criminals. Unfortunately for her she wasn't smart enough as her American counterparts.

American gun grabbers carry conceal handguns and have more than enough weapons inside their home. American gun grabber beliefs are that only they should be able to own guns. The poor, the common people, and if you're not a white super elite liberal be damn. She on the other hand decide no one should have one. IIRC, so one day a criminal came inside her home and beat her to death. She had nothing to defend herself and the killing was pretty nasty from what I remembered.

 

[jdun]

so even using a stricter definition of violent crime, they still have an increase in violent crime and Britain still has more violent crime than the US.....

Untrue.

The city of Detroit alone has more violent crime than the entire United Kingdom and all overseas territory.

Once again though: I don't actually give a fuck about whether or not guns are legal. Genuinely I think it's the culture of a nation (or area) over whether or not they have access to firearms.

That in itself is not support of gun ownership either though btw.

So yeah, I'm pretty much on the fence on this.

Keep believing that so you can feel better.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz1n9w6z3Zd


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

The difference is that violent criminals are lock away forever in the USA. In Europe they get release in three months.

 

[Jegsimmons]

so even using a stricter definition of violent crime, they still have an increase in violent crime and Britain still has more violent crime than the US.....

Untrue.

The city of Detroit alone has more violent crime than the entire United Kingdom and all overseas territory.

Once again though: I don't actually give a fuck about whether or not guns are legal. Genuinely I think it's the culture of a nation (or area) over whether or not they have access to firearms.

That in itself is not support of gun ownership either though btw.

So yeah, I'm pretty much on the fence on this.

a few things, Detroit is a third world city at this point, and second that is not true, America as a whole is less violent than the UK.

 

[Grant Hobba]

in my opinion one should stay away from real guns in their everyday life as much as possible. Anything can happen.

What?

Someone who has done military service actually believes firearms have a will of their own?

Whoa, you guys shouldn't issue firearms to the armed forces. "Anything can happen", after all.


@ everyone who doesn't think shooting is a legitimate activity


Watch the whole 3 minutes and tell me you don't want a bolt action rifle and a big ass farm of your own.

Go to war. Shoot someone. GET SHOT.
Then come back and tell me about how we need more guns in our life. DO IT.

Most irrational and illogical post I have seen in the Escapist. And usually the Escapist has a lot of them.

I think his creepy uncle missed the point and molested him with the gun.

 

[Stu35]

so even using a stricter definition of violent crime, they still have an increase in violent crime and Britain still has more violent crime than the US.....

Untrue.

The city of Detroit alone has more violent crime than the entire United Kingdom and all overseas territory.

Once again though: I don't actually give a fuck about whether or not guns are legal. Genuinely I think it's the culture of a nation (or area) over whether or not they have access to firearms.

That in itself is not support of gun ownership either though btw.

So yeah, I'm pretty much on the fence on this.

Keep believing that so you can feel better.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz1n9w6z3Zd


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

The difference is that violent criminals are lock away forever in the USA. In Europe they get release in three months.

Daily mail as your soure= argument immediately discredited.

Keep believing that so you can feel better.

Cheers, and you continue to believe that America is a wonderland, with no crime, where nobody ever dies except criminals. Except there aren't criminals, because you lock them up for life. And that has stopped all crime ever.


Britain has violent crime, yes. We're probably the most violent country in Europe, yes, we're also the least progressive and most "Americanised" when it comes to the "lock 'em up and throw away the key" approach.

Coincidence? Possibly. Who cares?

For what it's worth I think our police should have guns, and be given a lot more leeway when making arrests - at present our criminals can get all sorts of payouts if they're injured whilst being arrested, which is utterly ridiculous (means they can resist arrest as violently as they want, knowing that if they're hurt in the process of being restrained they'll get a hefty payout).

a few things, Detroit is a third world city at this point, and second that is not true, America as a whole is less violent than the UK.

Simply not true.

You can't have one city of 5 million more violent than our entire country (and all it's overseas territories) and then try to claim that the country "as a whole" is less violent. "as a whole" includes the violent parts.

In any case, even if taken "As a whole" - http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/oct/13/homicide-rates-country-murder-data

Americas homicide per capita in 2004 - 5.9
Britains homicide per capita in 2004 - 1.6

Homicide is a good example I think, because unlike "violent crime" it's generally more universally defined.

If we get to discount violent areas, then we can discount Glasgow and London and all of a sudden our violent crime drops significantly.

 

[dslatch]

To use (canadian) government terms i've fired many long guns (rifles/shotguns) but never a restricted (weapons with barrel shorter then 6" i think)

Many of gods smallest and cutest creatures have died from my hand also 1 time a microwave and a mattress.