I prefer to think of most of them as screeching dickholes, but it is practically a sewer system and there are a few turds who stand taller and stink more than others.
Call of Duty Community Not Misogynistic, Says Sledgehammer Co-Founder
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Actually, I played mostly on the xbox360 (yes, the "worst", or so I hear).wAriot said:
But I did a ton of gaming on there; call of duty as mentioned, but also gears of war (the trilogy, not counting liberation) and mass effect 3 co-op.
I still stand by my assessment. While even I've encountered some nastiness here and there, if I'm being objective? 99% of my playtime was completely uneventful.
EDIT: I just want to point out I'm also a PC gamer, and have been around competitive shooters since Unreal Tournament in '99, and then CS:Source in '04. I didn't really get into console gaming until last gen, and to be completely honest, when it comes to the general community? I can barely tell the difference. The game seems to matter more than the platform.
In order for the community to be misogynistic then at least 50% of them would need to have that trait.
Anyone who has engaged in any online gaming with CoD would quickly realize that on a server it's maybe one or two people who are spouting profanities - and often at each other. The rest of the players are just happy to either mute or carry on with the game.
This confirmation bias bullshit that completely ignores sample size and associates silence with acceptance is the ailment of fools.
Anyone who has engaged in any online gaming with CoD would quickly realize that on a server it's maybe one or two people who are spouting profanities - and often at each other. The rest of the players are just happy to either mute or carry on with the game.
This confirmation bias bullshit that completely ignores sample size and associates silence with acceptance is the ailment of fools.
The people who use those insults are the loud, dickish minority. The rest of us sit quietly, mikes unplugged, and mute the fuckers. That's what it's for, by the way, the mute function - it's so you don't have to hear the sub-humans.
Edit: here's something I forgot to mention. I'm willing to bet a four-figure sum that even the most offensive prick on CoD doesn't actually believe that women should "get back in the kitchen" or that black people aren't human. They say that because they know it gets to people. A lot of people just use it as an excuse to hate Call Of Duty, which, in my opinion, is absolutely pathetic.
Edit: here's something I forgot to mention. I'm willing to bet a four-figure sum that even the most offensive prick on CoD doesn't actually believe that women should "get back in the kitchen" or that black people aren't human. They say that because they know it gets to people. A lot of people just use it as an excuse to hate Call Of Duty, which, in my opinion, is absolutely pathetic.
I'm going to ignore the knee-jerk reactions here, because really they're just a bit embarrassing, and focus on something else.
Regardless of whether or not you personally think the CoD community is misogynistic or not, we all know what it's like. We all know it generally IS a hostile and toxic environment to a lot of people. And honestly, I'd rather hear the people responsible for the game coming up with new ways to tackle the problem rather than denying one exists.
I have no doubt that there are polite, thoughtful CoD players, the sad thing is they are vastly overshadowed by fucktards.
I think not enough games are trying to tackle toxic behaviour in their multiplayer games seriously enough.
I enjoyed the Extra Credits video on this subject, where they did suggest things that could help, such as auto-muting or having to earn voice chat.
I like playing online, and I like using my microphone, but my voice earns a lot of hostility at unpredictable times, so it's not usually worth it.
Regardless of whether or not you personally think the CoD community is misogynistic or not, we all know what it's like. We all know it generally IS a hostile and toxic environment to a lot of people. And honestly, I'd rather hear the people responsible for the game coming up with new ways to tackle the problem rather than denying one exists.
I have no doubt that there are polite, thoughtful CoD players, the sad thing is they are vastly overshadowed by fucktards.
I think not enough games are trying to tackle toxic behaviour in their multiplayer games seriously enough.
I enjoyed the Extra Credits video on this subject, where they did suggest things that could help, such as auto-muting or having to earn voice chat.
I like playing online, and I like using my microphone, but my voice earns a lot of hostility at unpredictable times, so it's not usually worth it.
Overshadowed perhaps but not outnumbered.Phasmal said:
The problem isn't inherently with the CoD community, if it can so be called, but instead lies almost entirely on the automatching/no dedicated server BS that plagues modern online shooters.
Back in my CoD4 days there were 12 servers I would frequent. The majority of which were moderated with a strict code of conduct (some so strict that even abbreviated abuse like fk off would get you kicked) that were diligently enforced. The others were pretty good at policing themselves.
Now those were communities, not the random collection of people forced into same place that it is now.
Pretty much exactly the point I was going to make, except that I'm not entirely sure. Women do seem to get picked on because they're considered "special" by the ones most likely to be abusive little dipshits.BigTuk said:
Does that constitute mysogyny, or the general playground instinct of bullying anyone who stands out?
Does it matter? If labelling it as such is the best course of action when trying to actually get something done about what seems to be a pretty systemic problem (internet bullying of anyone you disagree with), then why should we complain?
Not defending this behaviour, but a lot of that might stem from wording. The WBC catches flak for being the WBC. When gaming trolls get blamed, they're just considered "gamers" for all intents and purposes, which would be somewhat analogous for referring to WBC as "christians" every time they go and picket some funeral.JarinArenos said:
The whole thing is pretty much comparable to the vast majority of muslems, who aren't exactly happy their religion is mostly associated with extremist fuckwits. (At least, in the western hemisphere). Difference is mostly a matter of scale, and the weird situation that nearly everyone plays games, and few of them consider themselves gamers.
Who do you notice first, the 99 villagers going about their daily business or the one town loon ringing a bell and fucking Farmer Paul's goat?
What will you remember the most?
Welcome to the CoD community and the ire it earns.
97 of those villagers know that the loony goat-fucker will continue being loony, continue ringing his bell and continue to fuck goats no matter how much they protest. In fact they know that if they do protest he GETS OFF ON IT MORE.
Then there are 2 others who think because there's a loony bell-ringing goat-fucker the entire village must be full of them.
What will you remember the most?
Welcome to the CoD community and the ire it earns.
97 of those villagers know that the loony goat-fucker will continue being loony, continue ringing his bell and continue to fuck goats no matter how much they protest. In fact they know that if they do protest he GETS OFF ON IT MORE.
Then there are 2 others who think because there's a loony bell-ringing goat-fucker the entire village must be full of them.
He isn't wrong. I used to play CoD, Halo, and Gears religiously on 360 and a minuscule portion of the people I encountered were actually problematic. People saying the online community is a cesspit reeks of confirmation bias, and to use something I learned about from a recent escapist article "The Von Restorff Effect".
I'd say it was safe to assume /someone/ or some collective of people did, otherwise why would he be defending them? Paranoia?erttheking said:
The BBC article that is is the source, leads into the quote from Condrey on the back of talking about the "muh-sog-iny" sorrounding Zoe Quinn. I think that's a pretty safe lead in to assume that someone is accusing the CoD community of mysoginy, either directly or via guilt by assosiation.
Call of Duty Online Community Not Misogynistic According to Sledgehammer Games Co-Foundererttheking said:
is the title of the article, yeah it's not got "apparently" in there but stil, acting if it doesn't exist at all; why?
That's the key word there. Assume. He's assuming that someone said it. And even if someone did, without knowing who or why, he's shooting accusations off into thin air.elvor0 said:
The wording in your last statement is rather confusing. A few too many "it"s.
Is it hard to realise that everyone is an asshole and in a competitive online game that shows a lot more?
Is there really any need to try to label an entire community (that is basicly the same as most online communities) to see if they are for or against something rather specific like misogyny.
Is there really any need to try to label an entire community (that is basicly the same as most online communities) to see if they are for or against something rather specific like misogyny.
Yes, I know they're not outnumbered.wulf3n said:
I know what you mean about being able to choose servers that are good for you, like when I used to play things like TTT on Garry'sMod, I had a few servers marked as `safe` for voice chat, with good admins. I certainly wouldn't go randomly into any server.
Still, these are the systems they're making us use now, so I feel like they are responsible for dealing with the shit that comes with it. I don't think anybody gains anything by sticking our collective heads in the sand about it.
JarinArenos said:
Except people don't say that because Westboro Baptist is putrid all Christians are putrid and are responsible.
More people buy and play CoD every year than the population of Australia a tiny minority are toxic attack them don't just say "you bought CoD so your a woman beater" (get enough of that from moviebob's shows).
Well if he has stopped with the CoD community is probably like any other game's community, I would be on board. Honestly, the greatest thing the xbox 360 did (and I really wish some pc games would do this too) was to let you disable all voice chat.