Call of Duty to get WoW-Like Subscriptions?

Kollega

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Woo yay! Even more money for Bobby and his satanic legions to fuel their world domination effort!
 

Carnagath

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Slycne said:
What? I'm sorry. Paying for additional content, it's almost like that's the basics of economics. They are not saying they want to start charging for what you already have, that would be a really stupid business decision and despite whatever else you might think of them they do want to make money. You buy new games all the time, sequels, DLC and MMOs continue to pay for new content. That's all their saying.

If the content they are offering is not worth the price of subscription then don't buy it, simple as that. You all realize you have the power in this right? If you don't buy they don't make money, if they don't make money they either need to change or go out of business. So quit with all the bitching, seriously.
The thing is that they are trying to monetize services and content that most developers up until now have been providing for free, as part of their plan to make their games more lucrative for players. We're getting to the point where Activision will be agonizingly searching for ways to charge you for every single KB of data that you download for their games, on top of their purchase price, and the reason why they are doing this is because their games already sell so well that they simply don't care. It's called greed and arrogance. And what sort of power do you really think we have? What's the percentage of gamers that also regularly read the escapist or similar sites, are aware of what's going on and spend their money consciously and with that in mind? 2%? 5%? The rest are sheep. They see a cool game, they buy it. They see a map that their friend is playing on and costs 15$? They buy it. They don't know the difference between dev and publisher, they don't read their statements, they don't care or have time for that crap. And we are at their mercy, the only power we have is to stand by and watch.
 

olicon

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There are always suckers out there who are willing to pay up. It's the bad side of opening gaming up to the public. I share the same sentiment as Carnagath.
I just hope Valve won't sell out. They're the last bastion of good developers.
 

Fire Daemon

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Subscriptions only work when there are no other games in the same league as that game. The reason that WoW makes a lot of money from subscriptions is because you're not going to get a WoW-like experience for another game without subscription fees. You have MMO's that are similar and free, yes, but they're always different in some way or form and so people will still buy WoW if they want WoW or get the no subscription game if they want that, and often they only get one.

People that play shooters own plenty of them and swap between frequently except maybe straight after the release of a big title. Shooter fans are happy to play a wide variety of shooters online, plenty of older games or games pushed out of the limelight still have an active community. If Activision did charge fees for MW2 I will stop playing and pick up a new title or go back to Halo 3, TF2 and maybe even CoD4. I might even give Gears of War a swing again. Shooter fans will shy away from fees because what they can get from one game online is about as fun as another and for free. One game will have to be extremely good online for someone to even want to pay fees. It would also need a justification for the fee, which FPS just don't have.
 

Zenode

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.......it's about money again

good on ya Activision you have officially been crowned the royal douchebag of the gaming industry
 

Sixties Spidey

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Exactly who the fuck is this deluded cocksucker talking to that's demanding this? Masochists? People with far too much money who don't know how to spend it? LIKE BOBBY KOTICK?
 

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Fire Daemon said:
Subscriptions only work when there are no other games in the same league as that game. The reason that WoW makes a lot of money from subscriptions is because you're not going to get a WoW-like experience for another game without subscription fees. You have MMO's that are similar and free, yes, but they're always different in some way or form and so people will still buy WoW if they want WoW or get the no subscription game if they want that, and often they only get one.

People that play shooters own plenty of them and swap between frequently except maybe straight after the release of a big title. Shooter fans are happy to play a wide variety of shooters online, plenty of older games or games pushed out of the limelight still have an active community. If Activision did charge fees for MW2 I will stop playing and pick up a new title or go back to Halo 3, TF2 and maybe even CoD4. I might even give Gears of War a swing again. Shooter fans will shy away from fees because what they can get from one game online is about as fun as another and for free. One game will have to be extremely good online for someone to even want to pay fees. It would also need a justification for the fee, which FPS just don't have.
That's what us PC gamers thought when we heard about the removal of dedicated servers and mods... We thought PC gamers would just move one of the many other PC games out there that had dedicated servers/modding. But allot of people didn't do that.

Personally I think we all should be very, very worried and be very afraid of the stupidity and blind faithfulness of mainstream gamers...
 

Fire Daemon

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Bobbovski said:
That's what us PC gamers thought when we heard about the removal of dedicated servers and mods... We thought PC gamers would just move one of the many other PC games out there that had dedicated servers/modding. But allot of people didn't do that.

Personally I think we all should be very, very worried and be very afraid of the stupidity and blind faithfulness of mainstream gamers...
There is a difference between a lack dedicated servers and a fee. Despite the matachmaking (actually I would say that matchmaking makes MW2 better in some regards but that is for a different time and place) not being that great the game is still playable and if you happen to live in the USA, quite good. The experience is still really, really good. I think that there are plenty of gamers who don't really care about the server or mod issues and just want to press a button and play. With a fee however you have new hoop to cross, more buttons to press. For Mr 'just take me to a game already' this is going to be a major deciding force in their purchase. In my opinion the fact that people don't care about the server issue shows to me that less people will pay the fee, because they take multiplayer more casually. I can't see the casual players paying money for an FPS when others go free.

Another thing with FPSs is that you have no reason to come. Fees work because the people want to keep going back to the experience and do some more questing on their character. An MMO is a massive time sink and because of this people will pay the fee for a greater ammount of time. With an FPS, well people leave eventually and go to a new game. As it is people are happy to leave a free multiplayeer game for another free multiplayer game, imagine how much more inclined people would be to leave an FPS with a charge for an equal to or better than free FPS.

I think that it would be smarter for Activision to bombard us with DLC rather than charge a fee.
 

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Because it can never be posted enough.

Oh, and you really thought they weren't going to do this with Bobby Kotick at the top? With the new IW.Net system, they can force sub's down people's throat's, and there's not a bloody thing you can do about it. Stop playing? So what, they lose nothing, you've already bought the game. Pay the new subscription? Why thank you for giving us more money, here's a bunch of shit you should have been able to do when the game was released, but we basically want more money.

Just calling the first paid for map pack for the PC, right here.
 

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do core gamers want to pay for online service?!

no they don't, stop bullshitting like some giant A-hole

all of Activision can go fuck itself with a large rusty knife
 

Slycne

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Carnagath said:
Slycne said:
What? I'm sorry. Paying for additional content, it's almost like that's the basics of economics. They are not saying they want to start charging for what you already have, that would be a really stupid business decision and despite whatever else you might think of them they do want to make money. You buy new games all the time, sequels, DLC and MMOs continue to pay for new content. That's all their saying.

If the content they are offering is not worth the price of subscription then don't buy it, simple as that. You all realize you have the power in this right? If you don't buy they don't make money, if they don't make money they either need to change or go out of business. So quit with all the bitching, seriously.
The thing is that they are trying to monetize services and content that most developers up until now have been providing for free

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Just out of curiosity, what kind of service and content do you think they are referring too?
 

TelHybrid

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Excellent. Yet another reason for me to not buy MW2 until it's a lot lot cheaper and only 2nd hand.
 

HellbirdIV

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Why is this a big deal when console-players already need to pay a fee to play whatever game of choice online?