I would argue that is camping, although I wouldn't complain to much about it...Wargamer said:
Not really, thats just being a good sniper.Wargamer said:
camping, am i the only one that has a real problem with campers?
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O.O i thought this thread died a while back damnation.
for those that actually read this, there is a big differance between sniping, and camping.
this differance is about as obvious as the hair on your head, and if you cant see it, well, look seriously ur blind if you cant see it
for those that actually read this, there is a big differance between sniping, and camping.
this differance is about as obvious as the hair on your head, and if you cant see it, well, look seriously ur blind if you cant see it
ok then either everyone is bored with this or the campers that are trying to defend themselves poorly have given up and admitted that while it is a legitamit strategy, it is an incredably annoying, and uninventive stratagey, that plays to the egomaniac dumbass' mindset, in which most campers seem to be as such
in call of duty campers have killed the "hardcore" game types.
the first 5 mins of every game i played, no one moves. how do you say boring in Japanese.
the first 5 mins of every game i played, no one moves. how do you say boring in Japanese.
Sniping is basically camping. Therefor I camp a lot. Although spawn camping is quite despicable, unless you are just trying to get somewhere and get bogged down by players spawning around when the spawnpoint shifts, as it will in several games.
Hrrm. As far as strategy goes... In many FPS-type games, strategy will only take you so far. You claim that people who camp are 'uninventive'. In that case, good sir, I say YOU are uninventive as well! I mean, the whole 'Using a gun' thing! It's SOOOO overused! The fact of the matter is this: Campers exist. Just like WALLS exist. Just like ANYTHING in a first-person shooter exists. And, as such, you need to find a way to get around them. Do I camp? Not really. If I'm running up a stairwell, and I hear enemies behind me, then yes - I will stop, crouch, and wait for them to come into vision, and take their heads off. I won't stay there the whole match, mind you, but I'll wait for them. Spawn-camping, as most of us can agree, is horrible. But camping is not. I'll stop and wait for another team-mate to show up, before going through a doorway, just so that we can check both sides of the door at once. Because there MAY be someone hiding behind the door, knowing that I'd walk through eventually. That's an ambush. If you had to kill a group of people who wanted YOU dead, in reality? What's to say you wouldn't do the same thing? Nothing is wrong with camping, by itself. It may be an easy strategy to 'master', but that doesn't make it any less important.
Also, apologies for the 'Brick o' text' format.
Also, apologies for the 'Brick o' text' format.
That was my initial point: If individuals camp religiously in most game modes, they only hurt themselves. They usually don't get the best scores, and they would have a better experience if they were running around. They're also not as dangerous.keyton777 said:
I had two caveats to this above generalization though:
1). Well organized teams in Death Match, or any game mode, often post up together in one area. This can be a very effective strategy, though also the reason why the game has grenades and artillery. My point was that when an entire team camps in one area, it isn't really camping.
2). In FFA, its more important to have an area where you can put your back to the wall and see people coming than it is for you to run around. What irritating about FFA matches between experienced players is often everyone is camping, and you usually wind up being the unfortunate one going searching for kills.
ok, poem aside, the likelihood of finding that one shining exemplar of FPS games is like looking for a camel in alaska, you arent going to find one. all games try to come close to being perfect and in the designers eyes, they are. camping will always be an issue in FPS games because there are people who are not coordinated enough to move 2 sticks at once and pull 2 triggers. COD4 is a great try, no doubt, but what it does lack is the ability to ban certain guns and perks and make it so that everyone needs to be moving. like if the boat level in multiplayer listed to and fro so that sniping would be retarded. yes you can justify camping, its a cheap strategy that should rarely be used because it takes the fun out of the game. one other thing that should be taken out of COD4 is the NOOB TUBE. and people who camp with the NOOB TUBE SHOULD BE DRAGGED OUT AND DEFECATED UPON BY A GIANT HIPPO WITH DIARRHEA. i only mention defecating hippos to illustrate a point, and that point is that if you have no skill, no talent, and are incredibly inept at FPS games, do the world a favor, dont play them to piss us off and go back to WOW you smarmy cunts.
I agree, those words will flag you out and let every camp-hunter blow your brains out with extreme prejudice.keyton777 said:
Be careful snipers, the words are out to get you.
At the risk of sounding as patronizing as i feel: You are spawn camping the english language.
1- I said unskilled, in most FPSs players are even fronts not controlled by the player, such as strength of healthzombiepandaman said:
2- That's a matter of opinion, you also used the phrase "has to" I was referring to people who don't have to but do anyway.
3- I wasn't just responding to you, that was my first post in this thread so the part about TF2 was a response and the rest was just my opinion on the subject.
If you have not encountered the whiners you are very fortunate, but you'll run into one eventually. And the ones you killed apparently start changing their strategy, being repeatedly sniped (which you said you didn't mind) can also be frustrating, but you work around it like you describe here, the only difference is that more people are so frustrated with campers that they would rather whine and cuss them out than figure out a way to beat them.joe_six said:
That was not my point, and don't call me Shirley.joe_six said:
Anyway I hate to break it to you, but people use sniping and camping in a "real battle," and when fighting in a real battle, glory is probably not your top priority, usually it's staying alive and completing your objective.
Yes I can stand there and shoot trees but there's a problem with that scenario too, it's not any fun (unless the trees explode or something, that'd be fun for a bit). And yes, unfortunately there are people who just want to see a high score, or their name at the top of the list, that has been true since they first started making arcade games. You can call them what you want, you can accuse them of ruining the game, but odds are they wont care enough to change their habits. You are basing your accusations of campers ruining a game off of an ideal that the game itself doesn't live up to. The game lets you do it, you can shoot trees and you can camp, and if you are outnumbered in battle and you are not performing as well in the game as you usually do, camping may be able to give you the advantage you need to get into it again and start having fun. I agree, camping isn't as fun as running and gunning, but they both still rank above getting owned. If I am killed repeatedly by a person who is obnoxious, loudmouthed, and vulgar who is also a better shot and can react faster and, on top of all that, somehow is able to crouch on my corpse repeatedly while I wait to respawn without getting shot himself, why should I consider myself too honorable to use a tactic that can guarantee me taking him down? If I am obsessed with the idea that I am too good a person to change my strategy to something different from what everyone else is doing I deserve to be taken down.
In any game, whether you want to have fun or just want to win, you have to play to your strengths or get better at other ones. If you want to play a game by an ideal that others may not accept, fine.
But as long as there are people who are better than me, faster than me, smarter than me, quicker to react than I am, and able to kill me with their methods, I will do whatever I can within the game's limits to be able to beat them.
I use strategy to defeat my opponents and occasionally that involves camping, and I am still playing the game. Not everyone is skilled enough to live up to your standards, and above all you forget the most import thing:
Usually they want to have fun too.
That's hard to do when you keep shooting them in the head if they try it your way, and some of them might already be playing at their limit, they can't get any better so they try something else, whether you like those methods or not, you can still defeat them, and they will have to try something else again.
Stop telling them how to play it your way and just check around corners more often, if you stopped charging into battle for glory and paid attention to your surroundings, you'd probably see the campers and they wouldn't present much of a problem.
