Canada Added to U.S. Piracy Watch List
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LOL
I love the fact that "Canada has taken a Fuck America" stance on piracy. . .despite the fact that when Canada was approached in a civil, co-operative manner regarding music piracy in the days of Napster, a tariff was placed on all blank media sales (CDs and DVDs primarily) to offset lost American revenue due to downloading of music, which effectively legalized music file sharing in Canada. Why oh why can people not take note of past examples that have worked or at least shown promise and continue to improve on them?
*walks away singing Blame Canada*
I love the fact that "Canada has taken a Fuck America" stance on piracy. . .despite the fact that when Canada was approached in a civil, co-operative manner regarding music piracy in the days of Napster, a tariff was placed on all blank media sales (CDs and DVDs primarily) to offset lost American revenue due to downloading of music, which effectively legalized music file sharing in Canada. Why oh why can people not take note of past examples that have worked or at least shown promise and continue to improve on them?
*walks away singing Blame Canada*
Oh
WE should put THEM on OUR list! Let's see how they like it! Nyah nyah!
Oh. Hell. Yeah. Maybe if we had legal access to all the cool shit you US people do, there'd be a tad less piracy? Maybe? Perhaps? I'm still pissed that all this great streaming stuff is online and I CAN'T WATCH ANY OF IT because I'm not in the US. Dammit.Schmidtzkrieg said:
WE should put THEM on OUR list! Let's see how they like it! Nyah nyah!
Don't forget about Hydro QuebecKhell_Sennet said:
Hydro-Québec is a public corporation in Quebec, Canada that provides electricity to Quebec and north-eastern areas of the United States. It is the world's largest producer of hydroelectric power. In 2008, Hydro-Québec's total installed capacity was 36,429 MW, approximately 97% of which is from hydroelectric sources.
Leaving the Des Cantons station, the power line crosses the United States-Canada border and passes through the hilly Appalachian Mountains in the U.S. state of Vermont, reaching an elevation of about 650 metres (2,130 ft). The line then continues heading south-southeast and enters the state of New Hampshire, where it reaches the Comerford terminal near Monroe. Continuing southward into Massachusetts, the line reaches the Sandy Pond terminal outside of Boston in Ayer. The terminal is the southernmost extent of the HVDC line.
Hydro Quebec has enough excess generation to power millions of homes. Northeast Utilities, the main power supplier for Connecticut, western Massachusetts, and New Hampshire has signed on a joint venture with Hydro Quebec and NStar to build a new HVDC line from the Des Cantons to a location in central New Hampshire. It is projected that the line will either run in existing right-of-way adjacent to the HVDC line that runs through New Hampshire, or it will connect to a right-of-way in northern New Hampshire that will run through the White Mountains. This 180 to 190 mile line, projected to carry 1,200 megawatts, will carry clean hydro-electricity to approximately one million homes.
Just pay for the damn games. How would most of you like to spend multiple years of your life toiling away on something only to see a bunch of self-righteous little anti-establishment pricks claim right to it because "they were never going to buy it in the first place" ?
Fuck that noise.
Admittedly, the 'list' is stupid and is little more than a political gesture on the part ofCaesar's Obama's administration. And the draconian measures instituted by these conglomerates of industry that makes the IP in the first place don't do much except piss people off and further erode the already thin claim we have to privacy and freedom.
And I'm willing to bet quite a few Canadian game companies are either part of these organizations or wish to be and probably have quite a bit of support for this shit.
Though I'm glad to see that America makes a good bogeyman these days. I'm sure without that awful American influence Canada would be a fucking Utopia.
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Oh, and please remember that the US Government only speaks for the small, vocal, naive percentage of us who vote and actually believe that politicians will ever do anything that is not in the best interest of themselves and the people who pay for them.
Fuck that noise.
Admittedly, the 'list' is stupid and is little more than a political gesture on the part of
And I'm willing to bet quite a few Canadian game companies are either part of these organizations or wish to be and probably have quite a bit of support for this shit.
Though I'm glad to see that America makes a good bogeyman these days. I'm sure without that awful American influence Canada would be a fucking Utopia.
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Oh, and please remember that the US Government only speaks for the small, vocal, naive percentage of us who vote and actually believe that politicians will ever do anything that is not in the best interest of themselves and the people who pay for them.
As usual, Michael Geist skewers this for this BS it is [http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/3912/125/].
[Geist is a law professor who regularly blogs and writes articles on Canadian IP/copyright law and DRM.]
[Geist is a law professor who regularly blogs and writes articles on Canadian IP/copyright law and DRM.]
Here's minehandofpwn said:Sorry khell, but my knife can only do so much to the idiot population in one day.Khell_Sennet said:
just look at that over worked blade.
On to the topic now, I think the US is acting like a spoiled brat who needs to come back down to earth
Soooo.. you want access to US companies and TV networks because Canadian TV and video rental companies are better? You're joking right? So let me boil down the argument: You suck! We want your stuff for free or else we will pirate it! You put us on a piracy watch list? You suck! We want your....Schmidtzkrieg said:
Yeah, good one. Circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because...
Well actually the US is far from being a so called "spoiled brat" or else we'd be invading people left and right, and annihilating anyone that annoys us, and would have been doing so for so long that none of these nations that currently feel that they could stand up to us would have ever gained the abillity. As soon as we got the A-bomb we would have been living on Planet America.
When it comes to piracy I think you've got the bad roomate analogy wrong. Basically Canada is messing with the anti-piracy efforts by allowing this kind of thing. What is a worldwide issue cannot be addressed by any one nation solo. To some extent I can empathize with the comments about not getting the cool stuff that the US is getting. I myself have mentioned that as being one of the few things that justifies "piracy" (ie if it's not availible for sale in the version you want domestically to begin with then your not costing the person who created it any money).
The issue however is not really with intellectual property laws as I explained, it's about bigger issues like patent violations. We're simply being diplomatic about it.
Ultimatly Canada's trade policies undermine US policy as we are trying to weaken and adapt various other nations around the globe. Claiming communism is not a threat is naive. The problem of course being that the world is fairly short sighted and with the collapse of the USSR people forgot why they were so terrified to begin with. Russia has yet to pick up enough steam to cause the worry yet, and China is still in the process of building a military force that could worry the world, and with rare exceptions like the US few people are willing to recognize problems until they are already conquering your neighbors and landing on your doorstep. This happened in two world wars.
Canada basically benefits from their existance as "little America" and having us next door, combine with being isolated from the rest of the world by the oceans. Just as we're buffered by Mexico, Canada is buffered by us.
Canada's military is a joke, it rarely even HAS a military in anything but name because of the US. A big deal was made, even by Canadians when 9/11 happened that the Canadian military bases and such were pretty much empty.
Canada pretty much figures it can sit there and both be "Little America" and assert it's independance to gain the benefits of trade with America's enemies to draw the benefits of both sides. In general we've ignored this, but it's becoming a big deal, and I explained why (whether you believe it or not).
Canada, Samoa (and the Islands), and Puerto Rico are all "independant nations" that basically form parts of the American Hegemony. Canada is of course the most powerful of these in part because of it's proximity to the US, and also arguably the most naive
because it enjoys the benefit of being more or less directly under our protective blanket and not having to worry about the repercussions of it's actions because they figure if they tweak off the US we're still going to save you because your little America and your right on our border (and admittedly there is some truth to this).
Nobody likes war and conflict, the US does what amounts to a very difficult and thankless job by more or less acting as global police without simply mass murdering global irritants. Some people like me actually think we're too bloody soft because we rarely solve problems, but rather reduce them in a fashion that costs us quite a bit, and winds up benefitting someone else.
Canada also has a short term mentality, and doesn't think beyond terms of what immediatly benefits it. Not what the repercussions down the road are going to be, or the fate of humanity in general.
The real issue is basically that companies like Pfizers or Merck spend hundreds of millions of dollars developing drugs, sometimes with the assistance of federal grants. Nations like China take things like those drugs, produce them cheaply (especially seeing as they have no need to recoup the development cost) and give them to those they trade with like Canada for a fraction of the price. It isn't JUST Drugs (and that's an example I don't know specifically what Canada gains from it's international trade), but electronics, microchips, components, vehicles, machinery, and anything else that and be produced, shipped, and delivered. The actual inventors/owners of such things be D@mned.
Purely intellectual properties like some video game ARE a big business, and the theories involved are similar to other patents. BUT I see it as a side issue with it's own concerns. Despite some people acting like it's the same thing, I personally see a distinct differance on a practical level between a pirated MP-3 or video game and a valuable property like boner-drugs or machinery. The problem is of course compounded when factories in like China or India produce a TV based on say a Sony patent, and then slap the "Sony" name on it as a counterfeit (which is another issue as well).
As I said, I think the message to Canada is along the lines of "get your act together".
As far as the suits about piracy and such go, well, the point is that you need to stop it. That means making people afraid to break the laws (whether they are just or not). Saying that "we will not punish our populance" is tantamount to Canada hoisting a Jolly Roger.
Given the bigger issues at stake, and that this isn't actually about that issue, I don't think Canada is actually stupid enough to want to throw down with the US when things finally come to a head. Trust me, for all pretensions of how strong Canada is, I think if Canada ever decided to TRUELY cross the US it would be quick to want to play the "Little America" card. It's just right now that Canada has little respect for the US because we're rarely if ever truely assertive with it, that's just not how we do business.
If Canada was smart, it would make a show about "snapping to" on the piracy issue, but then actually ignore the lesser issues involving things like video games and music, and instead focus on the bigger issues of trading for counterfeit/patent violated goods from nations that are under embargo for a reason.
As far as long term issues go, well for all the evils claimed of drug companies, if patent piracy continues and drives big drug companies out of business, eventually your not going to have any new drugs coming out to deal with new problems. Or at least not at the current rate (and degree of safety) your currently see. Sure nations like China come up with drugs on their own but slowly and there are frequently issues which is why they rob stuff from other nations.
Canada doesn't think ahead like that. Rather it's happy to have cheap medication or whatever while laughing at the US. Ignoring the whole overreaching issue and the damage they are actually doing.
That is why we're telling Canada to get it together, especially with this world-court thig hanging over people's heads. We're also being very nice, and indirect about it (as I think it matters)
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At any rate I don't expect Canadians to like my attitudes, and apologies about it. I just don't mince words especially when people seem to have absolutly no problem with US bashing in various forums (including Canadians). Maybe if the "hip to bash America" thing stops I'll be a bit more diplomatic when I have things to say about other nations.
Just as Canadians see to have snide things about the US usually, I can be snide back. There are some things we don't like hearing about the US (as true as they might be). The "little America" thing has a lot of truth also but Canadians don't like hearing it which is why they get so defensive.
Sort of like how with all the Japanese bashing of the US, I get a sublime glee from pointing out that Japan is still more or less under US occupation (despite the SSDF) due to our naval bases there. Japan being one of our major springboards into the whole region. The Navy being able to level Japan anytime they want (not that they are likely to ever want to).
>>>----Therumancer--->
When it comes to piracy I think you've got the bad roomate analogy wrong. Basically Canada is messing with the anti-piracy efforts by allowing this kind of thing. What is a worldwide issue cannot be addressed by any one nation solo. To some extent I can empathize with the comments about not getting the cool stuff that the US is getting. I myself have mentioned that as being one of the few things that justifies "piracy" (ie if it's not availible for sale in the version you want domestically to begin with then your not costing the person who created it any money).
The issue however is not really with intellectual property laws as I explained, it's about bigger issues like patent violations. We're simply being diplomatic about it.
Ultimatly Canada's trade policies undermine US policy as we are trying to weaken and adapt various other nations around the globe. Claiming communism is not a threat is naive. The problem of course being that the world is fairly short sighted and with the collapse of the USSR people forgot why they were so terrified to begin with. Russia has yet to pick up enough steam to cause the worry yet, and China is still in the process of building a military force that could worry the world, and with rare exceptions like the US few people are willing to recognize problems until they are already conquering your neighbors and landing on your doorstep. This happened in two world wars.
Canada basically benefits from their existance as "little America" and having us next door, combine with being isolated from the rest of the world by the oceans. Just as we're buffered by Mexico, Canada is buffered by us.
Canada's military is a joke, it rarely even HAS a military in anything but name because of the US. A big deal was made, even by Canadians when 9/11 happened that the Canadian military bases and such were pretty much empty.
Canada pretty much figures it can sit there and both be "Little America" and assert it's independance to gain the benefits of trade with America's enemies to draw the benefits of both sides. In general we've ignored this, but it's becoming a big deal, and I explained why (whether you believe it or not).
Canada, Samoa (and the Islands), and Puerto Rico are all "independant nations" that basically form parts of the American Hegemony. Canada is of course the most powerful of these in part because of it's proximity to the US, and also arguably the most naive
because it enjoys the benefit of being more or less directly under our protective blanket and not having to worry about the repercussions of it's actions because they figure if they tweak off the US we're still going to save you because your little America and your right on our border (and admittedly there is some truth to this).
Nobody likes war and conflict, the US does what amounts to a very difficult and thankless job by more or less acting as global police without simply mass murdering global irritants. Some people like me actually think we're too bloody soft because we rarely solve problems, but rather reduce them in a fashion that costs us quite a bit, and winds up benefitting someone else.
Canada also has a short term mentality, and doesn't think beyond terms of what immediatly benefits it. Not what the repercussions down the road are going to be, or the fate of humanity in general.
The real issue is basically that companies like Pfizers or Merck spend hundreds of millions of dollars developing drugs, sometimes with the assistance of federal grants. Nations like China take things like those drugs, produce them cheaply (especially seeing as they have no need to recoup the development cost) and give them to those they trade with like Canada for a fraction of the price. It isn't JUST Drugs (and that's an example I don't know specifically what Canada gains from it's international trade), but electronics, microchips, components, vehicles, machinery, and anything else that and be produced, shipped, and delivered. The actual inventors/owners of such things be D@mned.
Purely intellectual properties like some video game ARE a big business, and the theories involved are similar to other patents. BUT I see it as a side issue with it's own concerns. Despite some people acting like it's the same thing, I personally see a distinct differance on a practical level between a pirated MP-3 or video game and a valuable property like boner-drugs or machinery. The problem is of course compounded when factories in like China or India produce a TV based on say a Sony patent, and then slap the "Sony" name on it as a counterfeit (which is another issue as well).
As I said, I think the message to Canada is along the lines of "get your act together".
As far as the suits about piracy and such go, well, the point is that you need to stop it. That means making people afraid to break the laws (whether they are just or not). Saying that "we will not punish our populance" is tantamount to Canada hoisting a Jolly Roger.
Given the bigger issues at stake, and that this isn't actually about that issue, I don't think Canada is actually stupid enough to want to throw down with the US when things finally come to a head. Trust me, for all pretensions of how strong Canada is, I think if Canada ever decided to TRUELY cross the US it would be quick to want to play the "Little America" card. It's just right now that Canada has little respect for the US because we're rarely if ever truely assertive with it, that's just not how we do business.
If Canada was smart, it would make a show about "snapping to" on the piracy issue, but then actually ignore the lesser issues involving things like video games and music, and instead focus on the bigger issues of trading for counterfeit/patent violated goods from nations that are under embargo for a reason.
As far as long term issues go, well for all the evils claimed of drug companies, if patent piracy continues and drives big drug companies out of business, eventually your not going to have any new drugs coming out to deal with new problems. Or at least not at the current rate (and degree of safety) your currently see. Sure nations like China come up with drugs on their own but slowly and there are frequently issues which is why they rob stuff from other nations.
Canada doesn't think ahead like that. Rather it's happy to have cheap medication or whatever while laughing at the US. Ignoring the whole overreaching issue and the damage they are actually doing.
That is why we're telling Canada to get it together, especially with this world-court thig hanging over people's heads. We're also being very nice, and indirect about it (as I think it matters)
Gogo text wall
At any rate I don't expect Canadians to like my attitudes, and apologies about it. I just don't mince words especially when people seem to have absolutly no problem with US bashing in various forums (including Canadians). Maybe if the "hip to bash America" thing stops I'll be a bit more diplomatic when I have things to say about other nations.
Just as Canadians see to have snide things about the US usually, I can be snide back. There are some things we don't like hearing about the US (as true as they might be). The "little America" thing has a lot of truth also but Canadians don't like hearing it which is why they get so defensive.
Sort of like how with all the Japanese bashing of the US, I get a sublime glee from pointing out that Japan is still more or less under US occupation (despite the SSDF) due to our naval bases there. Japan being one of our major springboards into the whole region. The Navy being able to level Japan anytime they want (not that they are likely to ever want to).
>>>----Therumancer--->
Whomever instituted this stupid fucking arbitrary list thing and declared Canada on it because, well, Americans don't like Canadians very much is an IDIOT of massive proportions. As an American, and a sane, rational being, I'm offended.
Am I overreacting? Maybe. But I'm sick of this let's-pick-on-Canada-and-see-what-we-can-get-away-with elitist crap that's corrupting the already strained relations between Canada and the States. Canada is no enemy of the American people or of the American government, but nobody seems to realize that.
Am I overreacting? Maybe. But I'm sick of this let's-pick-on-Canada-and-see-what-we-can-get-away-with elitist crap that's corrupting the already strained relations between Canada and the States. Canada is no enemy of the American people or of the American government, but nobody seems to realize that.
Wow
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I don't even know where to start, This thread has overcome my ignorance tolerance threshold. I will retire to my stolen cable and cheap Chinese made pharmaceuticals.bindox said:
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