Umm, Big Band is almost complete and after Eliza we're gonna get Beowolf. That's 2 dudes right there.The Lunatic said:
Capcom Addresses Deep Down Sexism Controversy
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Where does it say that games have to include any sex? Does every game have to relate to every person?Steven Bogos said:
Can game devs get a win without someone swinging around a blanket statement like a dead cat?
If the game was an all female cast we would have some moron come along decrying the lack of male presence or that being all female panders too much to the male goon squad.
This whole debate & the games industry has become a total farce that every game has to have a rainbow coalition of genders & sexualities before the game can be publicly approved.
I honestly feel like the debate has become more of a mockery than something to be taken seriously. I care for good stories in my games, not an appropriate of amount of both genitals.
Well, having one playable male character isn't exactly what I'd call sexist. Having 12 main characters with absolutely none of them being female because of "plot" does sound really stupid to me, if only because I can't think of any other game that was such a complete sausage fest. However I know jack shit about the game, so I'm not gonna assume that their game is actually that lacking in women until I see it for myself.
Also, nice to see that people here are being so mature about gender issues. Stay classy people...
Also, nice to see that people here are being so mature about gender issues. Stay classy people...
So not having female characters in a medieval fantasy setting be playable is sexist?
I guess that makes 99% of all games sexist. Especially the game Chivalry where all you have is a bunch of male knights fighting other male knights oh wait! Medieval times = women as property. So yeah let's reserve the actual sexism cries for the REAL games that would be sexist. Like the games that would treat women like they were treated back then, as portable wombs that could also knit clothes.
It's also funny that the only game with a female lead released in recent memory was Remember Me. Also by CapCom, so CapCom is so sexist that rather than shoehorn in female knights, an oxymoron, they'd rather just release the game the developer wanted to make and also sexist enough to release a game about a female with the female as the lead character that every other publisher turned down because of the female lead...
Feminist logic. Also an oxymoron.
I guess that makes 99% of all games sexist. Especially the game Chivalry where all you have is a bunch of male knights fighting other male knights oh wait! Medieval times = women as property. So yeah let's reserve the actual sexism cries for the REAL games that would be sexist. Like the games that would treat women like they were treated back then, as portable wombs that could also knit clothes.
It's also funny that the only game with a female lead released in recent memory was Remember Me. Also by CapCom, so CapCom is so sexist that rather than shoehorn in female knights, an oxymoron, they'd rather just release the game the developer wanted to make and also sexist enough to release a game about a female with the female as the lead character that every other publisher turned down because of the female lead...
Feminist logic. Also an oxymoron.
I don't know. Is it "sexist" to not include a male playable character because of the game's plot?Steven Bogos said:
"Gee, I really wanted to play Mirrors Edge, but the lack of any male playable characters makes me feel excluded..."
"San Andreas is getting pretty good reviews... But I just don't feel I could become engrossed in a game where I have to play as an African-American!"
"Mainichi seems like an interesting game, but I'm forced to play as transwoman. Why can't I play as a normal dude? Because of the plot, apparently. Don?t let this answer satisfy you. Mattie Brice wrote the plot. There?s no reason why he had to write a plot that excluded male characters."
All of these statements are only a tenth as fucking ridiculous as Brenna Hilliers joke of an opinion piece.
Really you think Dragons Crown was "glossed over". It's harder to find articles about Dragons Crown that don't contain a discussion on it's "sexism" than Bigfoot.omega 616 said:
If that's what you consider glossed over I'd hate to see what you consider to be a full blown outrage.
Sexism exists, I'm not going to deny it. But is God of War sexist? I mean you only play as Kratos. What about Devil May Cry (pre-revamp)? Dante is the main character throughout (I think we all skipped DMC2 with good reason) Is inFamous sexist since you only play as Cole? BioShock? Mega-man? Assassin's Creed? Dishonored? Again I admit sexism exists, but to some these are sexist due to lack of choice. I LOVE customizing my character, but when it has no effect I feel like I've wasted my time. Being male or female can change a story. In Dragon Age: Origins being a male or female city elf changes how the sequence plays out. Being male your bride is stolen from you and you go to rescue her, being female you are said bride and you free yourself. I liked that. I was a kick arse wife Is it possible the lack of choice means they don't want to alter the story? Right now don't know enough to say anything, but it does sound interesting atm.
Is it possible the lack of choice means they don't want to alter the story? Right now don't know enough to say anything, but it does sound interesting atm.You know, I think a lot of people are missing that this is a communication screw up. The critics were under the impression that there would be a cast of twelve characters, all men, not just one main man. I wouldn't call that sexist, but you've got to see how some people would be irritated by a cast that big being a sausage fest. Also I think we could afford to stop with the massive generalization.
I meant more people who play the game, as opposed to those who just talk about it.wulf3n said:Really you think Dragons Crown was "glossed over". It's harder to find articles about Dragons Crown that don't contain a discussion on it's "sexism" than Bigfoot.omega 616 said:
If that's what you consider glossed over I'd hate to see what you consider to be a full blown outrage.
I know, I did an awful job of getting that message across but I did it in a bit of a rush.
I've seen plenty of articles about the sexism of the game, I just kind of brain farted.
My first thought was:
"No female playable characters? Then that means..."
- All women are the villains.
- Women are the superior power AKA queens and masters.
- He is the main lead because he is the LAST MAN ON EARTH!
"No female playable characters? Then that means..."
- All women are the villains.
- Women are the superior power AKA queens and masters.
- He is the main lead because he is the LAST MAN ON EARTH!
Doesn't sound sexist to me to have an all male cast. Heck, FF X-2 had an entirely female play-group and that struck me as more sexist than this (I said MORE, as in relative to being not at all sexist, so no one jump off your chair just yet, mkay?) just because they made all 3 girls (2 of which had been big on saving the world and being self-less last time we met them) into pretty pop stars and saddled you with all your abilities and strength coming from costume (read: barbie-dress-up) changes. /shrug
Of course, it doesn't look like a game I'll be buying or getting particularly excited about - not my genre, probably not going to be very relatable for me without at least some female element, we don't know much about the game to get very interested in, according to the article itself. I think it's a bit of a bad business call to potentially cut out customers by making the game all one gender (either gender), but if they feel strongly about their creative vision and feel that they will have enough players regardless of this decision - I'm sure they have plenty of market research to back that up - then that's entirely their call.
Of course, it doesn't look like a game I'll be buying or getting particularly excited about - not my genre, probably not going to be very relatable for me without at least some female element, we don't know much about the game to get very interested in, according to the article itself. I think it's a bit of a bad business call to potentially cut out customers by making the game all one gender (either gender), but if they feel strongly about their creative vision and feel that they will have enough players regardless of this decision - I'm sure they have plenty of market research to back that up - then that's entirely their call.
Actually, I'd probably pass on it. It wouldn't be the most brilliant story if I couldn't find a connection to it, and the gameplay would have to be beyond fantastic to overcome that for me, personally, because I'm most interested in a game's story before anything else. It's gotten harder and harder for me to justify the mental stretch involved in connecting to male characters now that female options have "spoiled" me on the easy tie-in of shared gender perspective (when they are reasonably well written or insertion-type).Hixy said:
Yes its sexist and final fantasy 13-2 was also sexist, fuck it, EVERYTHING IS NOW SEXIST UNLESS IT CONTAINS A HERMAPHRODITE AS PROTAGONIST!
Can we now move on and play some games again?
Can we now move on and play some games again?
I don't know dude. I read through that column that was linked, and what I saw in there would be tough to justify if the game had a cast of 300 male 0 female and involved fighting women's suffrage.erttheking said:
It is a good example to keep in mind though. The reason why people outside certain circles cringe when they hear 'feminism', is because things like the linked column are all they ever see of it.
