Capcom Defends Locked Content in Street Fighter X Tekken

[Andy Chalk]

Capcom Defends Locked Content in Street Fighter X Tekken

Capcom says the locked on-disc content in Street Fighter X Tekken is exactly the same as conventional DLC.

There was no small amount of stinko raised when it came to light that planned DLC for locked away [http://www.amazon.com/Street-Fighter-X-Tekken-Playstation-3/dp/B002I0K6Q8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333400368&sr=8-1] until some future date and for some future price. The feeling among a significant number of gamers is that if the material is ready for release alongside the game, it should be released as part of the game and not held back to be unlocked later as faux-DLC.

But Capcom is having none of that. In a response to complaints made to the Better Business Bureau that was also sent to aggrieved gamers, Capcom said Street Fighter X Tekken is a well-loaded game that "provides great value for all players from day one." More to the point, it asserted that DLC is DLC and the only question is one of delivery method.

"While Capcom is sorry that some of its fans are not happy about the chosen method of delivery for the DLC, we believe that this method will provide more flexible and efficient gameplay throughout the game's lifecycle," the publisher wrote. "There is effectively no distinction between the DLC being 'locked' behind the disc and available for unlocking at a later date, or being available through a full download at a later date, other than delivery mechanism. We hope that this addresses [censored]'s concerns."

Does it? I'm inclined to think that if you're satisfied with the game you got for the price you paid, it should be irrelevant whether "extra" content is hidden on the disc or released online two months later. But I'm also pretty sure that gamers angry enough to file formal complaints to the BBB probably won't be super-happy to be so casually dismissed. Capcom may well have at least an arguable point, but it will almost certainly be drowned out by furor over the unfortunately cavalier way it's trying to make it.

Source: Cinema Blend [http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Capcom-Responds-BBB-Complaints-Distinction-Between-DLC-Disc-Locked-Content-41021.html]


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[Dr Pussymagnet]

I haven't been keeping up with this topic, but is this DLC like Mass Effect 3's where the content on the disc is just a placeholder for future DLC or is it all actually on the disc? If it's the latter then that just really rubs me the wrong way.

 

[antipunt]

Well done Capcom. I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER NOW THANKS!

 

[Jorec]

I can't wait until Angry Joe gets wind of this. I bet he'll go on a massive tirade.

 

[blackdwarf]

when i pay my sixty euros, i pay for all the work that is finished so far. all the DLC on disc is finished and working only hidden. now you expect from me that a pay again for content that i paid already for in my mind?

what happened to the expansions? i bought those for 30 euros without any problem because it was created and finished after the initial release. i paid for the work done on that expansion. then we got DLC which should have been the same idea, but with the possibility to get smaller content for lower prices. what happens now it that they create a game. decide what will be DLC, make that too, make the game work and then lock the pre- determined content. that is not DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT! it is CLOD: Content Locked On Disc.

and capcom being capcom, if for some reason they decide to give a popular game some new content, they make a new disc release, like what happened with MvsC3. at that moment they never heard of DLC.

 

[80Maxwell08]

The sad part is this isn't even the worst thing they've done recently. They are already selling the ending to Asura's Wrath as DLC and not even bothering to hide it. Go find the youtube video of it and it will say the "true ending DLC" for $6.

 

[Frontastic]

I have to say, it's actually sort of refreshing for a company to just come out and say it. None of this meandering around the point, trying to justify it in a way that doesn't make them look like the 'bad guys'. So, in conclusion Capcom has actually become Umbrella; huge, focused on money and trying to justify their actions with harsh but none the less sound (if slightly insane) logic.

Keep it up you silly, silly people! Can you at least start your next AGM with: "Plan for 2013: complete, global, saturation."

 

[BreakfastMan]

Eh, screw you Capcom and your anti-consumer BS. I feel no pity for you and your falling profits. If you mess with consumers and screw them over, you deserve to go out of business, and I will feel no pity when you do. That is how proper capitalism works, baby.

Seriously, if stuff is finished, ready to go, and on the disc, include it in the game. Doing otherwise makes you look like a magnificent ass and only gets consumers angry. Like my mother says "If you continue to poke a badger, do not be astonished when the badger eventually bites back".

 

[BreakfastMan]

Eh, screw you Capcom and your anti-consumer BS. I feel no pity for you and your falling profits. If you mess with consumers and screw them over, you deserve to go out of business, and I will feel no pity when you do. That is how proper capitalism works, baby.

Seriously, if stuff is finished, ready to go, and on the disc, include it in the game. Doing otherwise makes you look like a magnificent ass and only gets consumers angry. Like my mother says "If you continue to poke a badger, do not be astonished when the badger eventually bites back".

Capcom only has "failing" profits when they release something that doesn't feature Ryu. Even if it doesn't they had relative success with other games but they want everything they make to have the force of Street Fighter. Devil May Cry 4 did well with 3.something million copies sold. So the brains at Capcom decided to screw everything that's been established, go on record as saying they want to alienate the fans and they say they want at least 5 millions copies of DMC5 (DmC) sold.

Capcom will never see 5 million units sold, will blame the fans and it will go on the shelf next to Darkstalkers, Power Stone and many other good games so they can focus on putting Ryu in a gold Elvis jump suit for the next DLC... that many people will buy because the dedicated SF fanbase is one of the most blind fanatical groups around.

And that makes me sad that gamers are so loyal to brand names that they cannot see anti-consumer practices when they are right in front of their face. We, as a group, really need to learn how to vote with our wallets...

 

[TheMadJack]

I see Capcom is pushing the envelope as far as gamers will let them.

You know what to do.

 

[Trishbot]

So, in Capcom's looney nonsense world, DLC, downloadable content, content that you DOWNLOAD, is no different than content on the disc you NEVER download?

Seriously, someone answer me; how can it be advertised as DLC, downloadable content, if the content is NOT DOWNLOADED?

There's characters aren't even unfinished. Hackers have been playing as them online in FULL.

 

[RaikuFA]

Capcom might be finished by next year and hopefully someone who knows what to do(like Atlus) will buy the AA series and FREAKING RELEASE AAI2!!!

Besides AKSYS makes better fighters.

 

[MrBrightside919]

"There is effectively no distinction between the DLC being 'locked' behind the disc and available for unlocking at a later date, or being available through a full download at a later date"

This made me lol super hard...since there is a huge difference...

 

[gigastar]

Oh, this argument is still raging?

I thought people would have moved onto Asura's Wrath having the real ending as paid DLC by now. Which, for the record, im fine with because i would rather have it now than having it in 2 years as a drawn out sequel.

Also why cant someone put thier naming habits into gear and call it On-Disc Locked Content? Its just that much easier to understand when put that way.

 

[Kmadden2004]

when i pay my sixty euros, i pay for all the work that is finished so far.

So by your logic, deleted scenes in a movie is tantamount to theft.

That's not really an apt comparison.

There is a difference between a filmmaker removing scenes that are detrimental to the overall quality of the finished product, and a publisher deliberately locking away content on a game disc with the express motivation of charging an extra £10-£15 to unlock it later.

To run with the new car analogy that another poster has used here, it's like your dealership charging you 5% extra for the key to the trunk.

 

[Lunar Templar]

I can't wait until Angry Joe gets wind of this. I bet he'll go on a massive tirade.

sure, why not.
he did over the Asura's Wrath DLC

 

[Pendragon8]

Am I the only one sensing hypocrisy here? They put content on the disc that they were planning on charging for at a later date. I don't entirely see a problem with that they can choose whatever goofy delivery method they feel is appropriate. The biggest problem is they are surprised and angry that die hard fans FOUND the content and are using it. Call me crazy but I think that if you put it in the game and don't expect at least Some of the millions your selling it to to find it we have now left the realm of idiotic hypocrisy and entered the realm of preposterousness. Any one else agree?

 

[Colinmac93]

At first, I didn't mind the fact that the stuff was already on the disc. I was willing to let that slide, but Capcom's handling of this is very poor indeed. And the fact that we're having to wait until much later in the year to use the "DLC" that's already there isn't helping their case at all.

 

[The Wykydtron]

Well it doesn't matter anyway since there's gonna be Super Street Fighter X Tekken in about 6 months or so XD

Say what you will about Capcom's weird business tactics but the Super/Ultimate edition is pretty well balanced and non buggy (running off UMVC3 as an example.) Almost as if they use the previous versions as a beta rather than actually testing the game fully... But really who would be so cynical as to notice that?

I just want UMvC4, preferably with some extra Ace Attorney characters. Team Ace Attorney must be created!

Oh and why do I cringe whenever someone tries to compare ondisk DLC to cars? It just doesn't work! Let it go man!

As for the actual subject of DLC, meh I don't care. It's Capcom being Capcom as far as i'm concerned. They're comedy gold!

 

[Something Amyss]

THIS is my problem with On-Disk DLC: I don't think it should be free, I think it shouldn't even exist! If we accept paying extra for content that had finished production AND testing soon enough to be included with shipping, we're essentially giving them a blank check to withhold as much of the game as they please. If they produce bonus material at a latter date I'll pay for it, but if it's included on the disk it should be included in the game. No gimmicks!

God, you people are so entitled.

>.>

No, but I think it's weird that this complaint to the BBB about the misrepresentation of DLC (which it's not) has drawn no ire, when doing the same with Mass Effect was entitled and ruining gaming and childish and stuff.

But I agree, this stuff shouldn't be exist. I'm just going a step further because any on-disc DLC is lying to your customer base. Especially when the justification is that it's content that wouldn't have made it to the final disc.

This should actually be a legal and consumer issue.