Capcom Defends Locked Content in Street Fighter X Tekken

[Mr. Eff_v1legacy]

No, it really doesn't. I think they're completely missing the point.

It's not a question of delivery method. Fans probably don't care much how DLC is available. If they can't see why people are upset, that's a huge problem.

 

[shintakie10]

Someone should probably remind Capcom what DLC stands for because I don't think it means what they think it means.

Related note. Crap like this worries me because it totally blurs the line even more than crap like day 1 dlc does of what you actually pay for what you get a game. We've gotten to a point where a developer can literally arbitrarily decide that this piece of the game isn't essential to the game which allows them to charge extra for it, regardless of anythin.

It is makin me worried where the game industry is rushin towards at this point. I'm not one of those doomsayers who think the worst that can possibly happen will happen, but it is definitely a greater possibility now than it was five years ago.

 

[CyberAkuma]

Is anyone really surprised that Capcom is actually doing this?
After what they did with Residelt Evil 5 CO-OP play that they charged for?

 

[Kurt Horsting]

As if Sfxt wasn't shitty enough. Just trade in your copy and get KOFXIII or wait for SkullGirls. Be a man! Expand your fighting game horizons and play a real fighter instead of giving crapcom more of your money for Timeout x Locked Content.

 

[esperandote]

Shitty excuse for an anti used market strategy. Sadly it's nothing new.

 

[blackdwarf]

when i pay my sixty euros, i pay for all the work that is finished so far.

So by your logic, deleted scenes in a movie is tantamount to theft.[/quote]

no, because deleted scenes are not created to add to the movie later. they are there because they were finished in montage but cut, because of length or story issues. not cut to be sold later on.

 

[Space Spoons]

I'm inclined to agree. The game's packed with content right out of the box, definitely worth the price of admission. Fact is, nobody would be complaining if we didn't know the DLC was on-disc, because this game is phenomenal.

The only gripe I have is that the extra color palettes are DLC for some reason as well. We know they're on the disc, and Capcom confirmed months ago that they were going to be free... So why lock them in the first place? Why not have them available out of the box if there's no intention to sell them? Doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[A BigCup of Tea]

I seriously don't get why people complain when dlc is already on the disc, if dlc came out after a game had been released without already being on the disc would you pay for it? if yes then what does it matter if it's on the disc, that just means a smaller download and if you wouldn't
buy it why should you care, at the end of the day dlc is just that downloadable content

 

[mooncalf]

If it ain't downloadable, it ain't DLC, it's just locked content. MMOs do it, just stop calling it DLC.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

If you don't mind, I would like to answer those who don't see a problem with this.

"Downloadable content (also referred to as DLC) is official additional content for a video game distributed through the Internet. Downloadable content can be of several types, ranging from a single in-game outfit to an entirely new, extensive storyline, similar to an expansion pack. As such, DLC may add new game modes, objects, levels, challenges, etc. to a complete and already released game."

Bolded for the operative words. I'm one of those people who wouldn't have had a problem with ME3 Day one DLC if it sincerely couldn't have been programmed on the disc on time. But since it was, I voted with my wallet and ended up not playing ME3.

From what I understood from the second I bought my first game is that I'm exchanging money for the entire coded experience for me to enjoy. They make a product, I give them the money for it. What Capcom needs to start explaining to us all is why is this a good idea?

If I'm paying full game price for a product that isn't completely available to me, why am I paying full game price to begin with? They admitted to not giving me the full experience, so I am unclear as to way I have to play for a incomplete product.

I'm sure the argument will go: "Well, it is a completed product, you just have to pay extra to get it all." My question that I'm sure a lot of us would like answered is why? What is the benefit to me, the consumer, the sole reason why these people can stay in business, that they give me a completed experience but tell me I have to pay more than full price to get it all.

Capcom, simply put, why are we giving you full price money for an incomplete gaming experience... and more for content that is simply not additional?

 

[Dryk]

So is this an admission from Capcom that all of their DLC is cut out of finished games? Because that's the only way there would be no difference

Exactly. Next thing we know, we'll be paying $60 for the first "tutorial" level of our games. If we want the real thing, we'll be forced to shell out $10-$15 for each level.

I propose that we stop this bullshit before we miss our chance.

To use the car analogy: Pay $10,000 for a drive train, four wheels, an engine and a steering wheel. Reverse is $500, Gears above 1st are $1000 each, each seat is $200, each side panel is $700, the roof is $1000, windows are $50. It is still able to function as a car and give you a driving experience, but there are optional extras to help you go faster or to make the experience more comfortable

 

[Therumancer]

DLC by it's nature is supposed to be additional content you purchuse for a successful game. Stuff that is already on the disc is material they are locking out to try and get more money out of you. As a result I oppose it.

That said, the big issue here is that people keep paying money for this kind of thing which hardly discourages the gaming industry which figures that it can ignore the complaints as long as the money keeps rolling in.

The bottom line is that simply knowing that you paid $60 for a game and are being held up for more stuff that was already on the disc you paid for burns, how much content is there is irrelevent.

Overall if they decided to release material later on as pure DLC for a game that was highly successful, that would be differant than what we're seeing here.

That said, the BBB is a private organization and while formal complaints to them is a good start of trying to reform the industry without having to effectively quit gaming "cold turkey" over things like this which everyone does (or quit for a while at least), I do not see what the BBB is going to do against video game companies at the moment, especially as it increasingly goes digital and a lot of the BBB's power is linked to what it can do to physical stores, especially by doing things like putting pressure on middle men.

Right now there is nothing really illegal about what the gaming industry does. As the old saying goes "this is a nation of laws, not of justice" that does not mean that this is how things should remain however. One of the reasons I backed guys like Richard Blumenthal when he was the Connecticut Attorney General was that he seemed interested in getting involved in these kinds of issues, but he's since moved up to a higher level and gotten somewhat derailed from what he once seemed to stand for.

I think given time, and more "younger" people from Generation X getting into power we'll see some shifts away from trying to censor games for content, to actually regulating the activities of gaming companies, limiting what EULAs can demand, and ways that content can be monetized. A big part of what's going on right now is quite simply that the current lawmakers don't have a keen enough understanding of it to properly work on regulating it, and are mostly reacting as scared old men to the changing technology.

I suspect within the next 10-20 years we'll probably see laws laid down mandating that you own everything on a disc you pay for, so thus locking people out of parts a person buys will be illegal, among other things. Of course that doesn't help anyone right now.

 

[the_green_dragon]

This is what pissed me off about the whole "Sewers" mission in Rage. The Content is there but you can't get to it unless you pay more and more!

Oh sure, buy it new and u can download the code but buy it second hand and you have to pay extra to access content already on the disc?

This was a natural progression for the greedy fat cats. Screw them all.

 

[the_green_dragon]

Also, doesn't this kind of crap just encourage pirates to hack the disc and access the content already there? Stupid stupid capcom

 

[lapan]

The sad part is this isn't even the worst thing they've done recently. They are already selling the ending to Asura's Wrath as DLC and not even bothering to hide it. Go find the youtube video of it and it will say the "true ending DLC" for $6.

Fuck that. Since the game is esentially a movie anyways i'll just watch that on a let's play on youtube. Anyone that's buying any kind of ending DLC is making the problem worse.

A lot of companies seem to be trying that reccently (FF X-2, Asuras Wrath, Maybe Mass effect 3), so i hope consumers will give them a clear answer with their purse.

 

[80Maxwell08]

The sad part is this isn't even the worst thing they've done recently. They are already selling the ending to Asura's Wrath as DLC and not even bothering to hide it. Go find the youtube video of it and it will say the "true ending DLC" for $6.

Fuck that. Since the game is esentially a movie anyways i'll just watch that on a let's play on youtube. Anyone that's buying any kind of ending DLC is making the problem worse.

A lot of companies seem to be trying that reccently (FF X-2, Asuras Wrath, Maybe Mass effect 3), so i hope consumers will give them a clear answer with their purse.

Agreed. I think I can wait until someone puts them up on youtube too. I actually liked the game but that BS. Nope. Not for any developer in the world. Certainly not for any publisher.

 

[Dandark]

What's this about Asura's Wrath ending DLC? When I played the game I could get the "True" ending on my own. You finish the game once then it tells you that to get the "true" ending you have to get S rank on 3 missions, which is easy.
Since I had already done this I just did "True" episode 18. It's the same as normal except with a different ending cutscene to show what "really" happened.

Is there another one you have to pay for or something?