Capcom Faces Bullying Accusation

ThunderCavalier

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While it's definitely one-sided, it's hard to believe that any employee could screw up in so many departments that many times. Especially in Japan, where some of those companies have some crazy-dedicated workers.

It wouldn't really surprise me if this story was true, but at the same time, if it is, then that's horrible and I really, really hope some of these people end up being stomped by a Godzilla in their lifetime (or fall out of a building, but personally I still hold onto the belief that Godzilla will one day be a true story).
 

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Leadfinger said:
Shawn MacDonald said:
Always sounds worse when you only hear one side. A suicide attempt seems a little out of place, unless that was her only means of getting by at the time. A stupid jury will soak up that suicide attempt like a sponge, she will probably win.
There are no juries for civil cases in Japan. The case will go before a judge. Also, Japanese labor law gives employees stronger protections than in the U.S. or U.K. The company will have to prove they had a good reason to fire her and that they followed the legal procedures.
That also might explain why they waited so long to fire her IF she was bad at her job as they had to build their case unlike in some states in the US where you can be fired or leave your job for any or no reason whatsoever unless your contract explicitly states otherwise.
 

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OniaPL said:
But why they did bully her, then? Doing all that just for shits and giggles seems like a stretch to me.
I've never knowna bully who needed nor wanted a reason. It was always "they/you fucking deserve it".
 

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That seems pretty insane, especially if the HR department did nothing about it. Still, presumably the HR department would have still operated within the legal areas of the law and at least noted her complaints? Should make the case fairly straight forward in court.

I find this a pretty alien concept myself, I personally would never stay at a place of work that was causing me so much distress to the point that I would think of killing myself. I understand that employment rates aren't fantastic over there but even still. :(
HR Departments exist to protect the company, not the employees. What's more they themselves have limited resources, and during any inquiry in a boss vs. subordinate issue the boss by definition is at an advantage when it comes to controlling information.

It should also be noted that companies are all about smooth functioning, right or wrong in an absolute sense, if one person becomes the focus of ire within an entire team, it's not practical to fire or disapline everyone else in a department for that sake of that one person as that will lower the productivity, and cause all kinds of other problems.

It's not GOOD, but that's how it is with companies accross the board, not just with Capcom, and it's a touchy issue because from a practical sense you really can't just start firing people, or forcing them to tolerate someone they don't like to the point of it having turned into harassment.

That said, I do think that there needs to be more protection for employees (as someone who was screwed badly myself, more than once), but really it's not something that can happen internally within the companies, the authorities acknowleging the problem is a start (as happened in Japan) *BUT* one also needs to have the resources committed for actual enforcement, and a legal system designed to deal with this kind of problem.

An issue for example is that in an employee vs. employer greivience that goes through legal channels it typically becomes a civil matter. That means neither side starts with the assumption of bearing the burden of proof. The company controls all the records and information, and has more resources to draw on for lawyers, so it's pretty obvious how it goes.

A solution to that would be to force employers in such cases into the criminal justice system, and have the state with it's resources pursue the case, which doesn't happen that often. The problem of course being that investigations, especially up hill ones, are very intensive in terms of money and resources, and the goverment just doesn't have the money or resources to pursue every case of a disgruntled employee who might have bene mistreated by
an employer.

It's not good, but I understand why things are the way they are.

That said, in cases where you wind up with an employee who has every hand against them, it's rare that they aren't the problem, especially if it's been the case from the very beginning. I can say this as someone who has escorted many people off property after being fired, and having heard or looked into a number of cases officially or otherwise.

I do think that during unemployment hearings, there should be some more solid repercussions for companies when it's found during review than an employee was fired without cause. Right now that seems to be the only real system that works for this, at least within the US, but it really has no teeth, it gives money from the state, but doesn't actually address the problem employers when they exist. You'd think that if they have thousands of cases every year of people being fired without cause after review, that you'd start seeing some managers and company owners facing some penelties, and even doing jail time for crimes ranging from the stereotypical harassment (sexual or otherwise), to outright fraud in lying to their employees.

Such are my thoughts.
 

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I really do feel bad for her, assuming tha the rstory is true. However, the only thing I could really think about while reading the article was "young Japanese woman." Maybe I just need a cold shower and a lie down...
 

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Reports of "pawahara"

No one else seems to have picked up on this, so I'm not sure if I was actually meant to laugh or not. (Which I did.)
 

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And what did she do to bring such things upon herself? Or was it just a misunderstanding that escalated? We need more information before we can execute judge people.

Also, different people have different tolerances for stress, saying 'she tried to kill herself, it must have been bad for her' just sounds stupid to me, because there are many other factors to consider, other than her attempted suicide.
 

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The Mighty Stove said:
OniaPL said:

Daystar Clarion said:
Also in Japan, isn't your place of work taken VERY seriously?
Yeah in Japan a few years back there have been reported hara-kiri's (suicides) by employees of specific companies because they "failed" the company
 

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chimeracreator said:
Leadfinger said:
Shawn MacDonald said:
Always sounds worse when you only hear one side. A suicide attempt seems a little out of place, unless that was her only means of getting by at the time. A stupid jury will soak up that suicide attempt like a sponge, she will probably win.
There are no juries for civil cases in Japan. The case will go before a judge. Also, Japanese labor law gives employees stronger protections than in the U.S. or U.K. The company will have to prove they had a good reason to fire her and that they followed the legal procedures.
That also might explain why they waited so long to fire her IF she was bad at her job as they had to build their case unlike in some states in the US where you can be fired or leave your job for any or no reason whatsoever unless your contract explicitly states otherwise.
It's certainly quite possible, but on the other hand many companies in Japan will bully the employee until they resign voluntarily, since it's difficult to legally fire someone in Japan. It's my experience that most people who have to face such harassment do actually quit. But if the employee is determined enough he/she could experience bullying for a long, long time before the company takes it to the next level and fires them.
 

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Give me both sides of the story first and then I'll decide wether capcom need to be strung up and beaten.
 

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Anxiety disorders tend to take a long time to develop. Also people who HAVE anxiety disorders tend to perceive threats/slights/bad feelings where there are none. They also tend to have severe over-reactions to things like trying to commit suicide rather than quitting.

Still pretty bad of the supervisors if true.
 

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DrunkOnEstus said:
A simple thing like suicide can get a jury to believe things that may have been blown out of proportion. A suicide is a hard thing to deal with, but it might just be her meal ticket. After serving on the jury one time in my life, I can't begin to tell you how effective crying can really be. A simple fool comment wasn't directed at you guys, just people who believe blindly.
A *simple* think like suicide? I won't divulge into how that action has affected my life to such a degree that the path I was on in life became unalterably railroaded, but "simple"? I won't blindly side with the woman in question due to having one side of the story, but can we really expect anything from Capcom on this one besides a figurehead with a robotic and pedantic PR line?
good point but then again both sides have a reason to be baised(employe is in a lawsuit plus fired employes have ben known to not say nice things about their former company) and Capcom( i doubt they'll say anything that'll hurt their cause in the lawsuit. Also I really really doubt they'll come out and say "Yeah we builed that employe to the point of suicide!") So I plab to wait till i see more of this case before i fire up the outrage cannon.

PS. i won't ask about how suicide affected you (not my business and all) but i do hope everything turned out okay and you have my sympathies if it didn't.
 

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This is sad if it's true. Of course it's sad if it's not. Hopefully either way the truth will come out.

(Goes off to play Persona 4)