I take it the guy is part of the fandom that missed the entire point of Fight Club. Man, this article gets more pathetic by the minute.Neurotic Void Melody said:
Captain Marvel or How Marvel does everything better than everyone else
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Alita is in the age group where strong crushes are a thing so it's normal for her to be drooling over a guy. It's a coming of age story. I don't even understand why you'd compare her to how a grown woman acts in a different movie.
Feminism is about women being equally as free as men to do what they like in life, which includes drooling over guys in some cases. To act as though one is less feminist of an act than another when in fact both are equal as long as the women willingly engage in them is to show your hand and your view of feminism as not merely a movement of liberation and equality.
Alita is super feminist, just not necessarily western American third wave feminist. It's a Japanese IP so they have their own takes on things. They're not wrong cause they differ culturally. This notion of "these poor women don't know what they actually want and they are being tricked into wanting to be feminine by the patriarchy!" is incredibly ignorant and even racist in some cases.
Feminism is about women being equally as free as men to do what they like in life, which includes drooling over guys in some cases. To act as though one is less feminist of an act than another when in fact both are equal as long as the women willingly engage in them is to show your hand and your view of feminism as not merely a movement of liberation and equality.
Alita is super feminist, just not necessarily western American third wave feminist. It's a Japanese IP so they have their own takes on things. They're not wrong cause they differ culturally. This notion of "these poor women don't know what they actually want and they are being tricked into wanting to be feminine by the patriarchy!" is incredibly ignorant and even racist in some cases.
I'm gonna chalk that as Ronan essentially gets killed by the Guardians bouncing back the weapon he was already trying to use against them, and Ego's just a (sentient, whatever) planet they blow up. The only anti-hero thing Quill actually does is abuse that poor lizard creature at the beginning of GotG. Everything else is par for the course.Chimpzy said:
You dragged it in...though why I quoted Kenbo I am not sure. Maybe I did that accidentally and meant to respond directly to you...I honestly don't remember s:Gordon_4 said:
I do not know the source material, so I honestly don't know how much of me not liking the movie was the movie's fault and how much was the manga's fault.CoCage said:
Either way, my opinions stand. And no, liking a guy doesn't make you weak, but literally taking your heart out and giving it to him for no good reason...that was weird, dumb, and insane.
And again, I need to point out how often heterosexuality is shoved in our faces needlessly. The good parts of Alita was the robot fighting, the bad was the boy meets robot girl stuff. Captain Marvel didn't waste any time with love interests though, and the movie deserves credit for that.
Did they have to make him a heart throb though? Hugo's supposed to be this scruffy hobo kid, not some boyband member with a leather jacket and a motorcycle. It was a nice contrast where Alita was this sophisticated piece of technology and Hugo was this raggedy bum.CoCage said:
You have a point about Hollywood shoving down romance down our faces; especially when it's forced, but once again, it was in the manga, so that's not Hollywood's fault (the heart scene was Hollywood's though).Saelune said:
But seriously, out of all the flaws in the movie that part bothers you the most. Yeah it's cheesy, but I've seen much worse. Scene like this does not break a movie for me. I think you setting your standards a bit too high.
I agree, the film fumbles in this area a bit. It's in the video I posted a page before. I prefer his scruffy look in the manga. Otherwise, I don't have much problems with Alita.Casual Shinji said:
Wouldn't it be funny if Carol got snapped with the rest of them and all Fury paged was some orphan on an intergalactic junkyard? Anyway, we *comic book nerds* all know it's
who will be saving the day -- and wrecking it five minutes later.
Nebula
The point I was making was that it's silly to differentiate between white/black ethnostates, that to even imply that one has to make a point about a specifically black ethnostate being bad, as though that was not an obvious thing that ought to be taken for granted in the first place, is in itself the issue at hand here. Black ethnostates also being bad shouldn't be something that needs pointing out and getting away with implying that it does need pointing out is something disproportionately tolerated here.undeadsuitor said:
Anyways, we can disagree, but I would never try to claim someone hasn't seen a movie just because of that disagreement. I find it curious how it's done by the side who'd decry "gatekeeping" in gaming related activities. Ah well.
As a feminist and a Carol Danvers comic fan I can confidently say it was a mediocre blockbuster action film at best. It was entertaining, but an ultimately forgettable movie. The schlock-y stuff wasn't quite silly enough and a lot of the more serious stuff just didn't land well for me.
The only things I think they handled particularly well are: the Skrulls in general and the de-aging CGI on Fury and Coulson.
The special effects in the final action sequence were Black Panther rhino bad, imo. Not sure why the effects are getting such high praise.
The only things I think they handled particularly well are: the Skrulls in general and the de-aging CGI on Fury and Coulson.
The special effects in the final action sequence were Black Panther rhino bad, imo. Not sure why the effects are getting such high praise.
Personally, I think it's also about realising if the lambast a movie, they just get the response, "You just hate women." So they find another movie they can latch onto that proves, "we like female heroes too." I don't think its got anything to do with the quality of the movieGordon_4 said:
Edit: Someone was doing a comparison about the marketing of both movies. Captain Marvel was encouraging women to see it to feel empowered. That clearly is anti-male. Alita gave a robotic arm to a kid and took her to see the movie. Which, I suppose is not SJW becuase a male gave it to her? Because females can only be empowered through men, I suppose
I have no interest and no grips with this movie. It seemed as mcu-cookie-cutter as you get 'em, before it came out, and coming reviews and opinions don't really change my mind. Think i'll wait for "Endgame" and see how this entire thing, Disney been building up to for 10 years will pan out.
PS. All regardless of what Brie Larson might've said some time ago, about a different movie. Separation of art and artist etc.
PPS.
PS. All regardless of what Brie Larson might've said some time ago, about a different movie. Separation of art and artist etc.
PPS.
trunkage said:
No, I just know how to have fun and not a little cheesy scene irk me Yeah, yeah, ymmv, but honestly, that feels very nitpicky. Try to takes thing easy; no need to be serious all of the time.Saelune said:
There are ways to say they don't like it without being sexist. The sexist people just don't understand that.trunkage said:
I have seen plenty of people say they don't care for Captain Marvel, and not sound sexist at all. Instead they sound like people who don't like Marvel movies at all though, but while it bums me out, cause I love the MCU, I don't think someone is bigoted just for not liking Marvel/Superhero movies.
But if you don't like Captain Marvel cause of what Brie said, cause of women liking it, cause of a 'feminist agenda', well, that's sexist.
I am tired of people acting like offending bigots is something to feel bad about.
That is a weak way to dismiss my view. I fucking loved the two robot fights, the one where she first fights those 3 people where it seemed like out of a video game, and the rollerball fight. I just didn't like the 99% of the movie where it was a shitty romance film. Don't think because I have standards, that it means I don't enjoy things.CoCage said:
Saelune said:
I wasn't trying to dismiss your view nor implying it, that was all you. The romance ain't bad, just basic. I won't take this further, but you're sounding really salty.