Captain Marvel or How Marvel does everything better than everyone else

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Well, they've got a good formula attached to a decent story and a massive amount of forward momentum.

The sideshow hilarity of weird nerds conspiring to review bomb it in plain sight is just icing on the cake.

My favorite is the dude that said, and I quote

If it [Captain Marvel] teaches women that they can be anything they want to be, specifically able to take on a 220 pound man in hand to hand combat and not get pummeled into the dirt, then it is a girl power movie and a cancer on our culture

Like, Captain Marvel literally has the standard suite of super powers. Super strength, speed, durability, flight, and energy absorption/projection. And this dude is mad that she can punch out a mook.

Actually the movie literally says she cant without the powers. She fights Jude Law and can never beat him without the powers. She just eventually realizes she [doesn't have to prove anything to him]. The movie DID say to never stop getting up, no matter how many times you get knocked down though.

None of these idiots ever watch the movie. I learned that back with "Wakanda was an ethno-state actually" line these alt-right pricks tried. Completely missing that the movie went on to say "and that was bad"

I guess I can see a criticism that black panther portrays wakanda's ethnostate in a light that if a white country portrayed its ethnostate in such a light, it would instantly be offensive and would get people riled up against it, but because it was a black ethnostate is was tolerated disproportionately.

Even when it shows how it is ultimately a bad idea, it does offer the argument for why it might be a good idea and gives it more room to breathe than a lot of people would allow for the white equivalent. I seriously doubt a movie that makes the case for a white ethnostate would receive 3 oscars, even if it ends up going against the concept in the end.

But yeah this topic is all over the place lol.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

I thought it was just okay. Nothing special, but don't understand all the hate.

 

[Hawki]

She beat them enough to force them to retreat, winning with minimum bloodshed. She'll kill more, sure, but not all of them. I hope.

Even if she does, it's apparently for nothing, since the Kree Empire is still alive and well by GotG 1.

Speaking of, does this mean we aren't getting a Secret Invasion movie?

Dunno, but you could easily have "bad skrulls" do it. Maybe? I know SI is a thing that involves skrulls impersonating characters, but that's about it. But even Talos himself admits that there's blood on his hands, that the skrulls as a race aren't arbitrarily good or evil.

 

[Saelune]

I thought it was just okay. Nothing special, but don't understand all the hate.

A large portion of the world is sexist against women. This movie stars a strong women, so it pisses people off.

 

[Hawki]

I thought it was just okay. Nothing special, but don't understand all the hate.

A large portion of the world is sexist against women. This movie stars a strong women, so it pisses people off.

And that's relevant to saying the film is simply okay...how, exactly?

 

[Hades]

I thought it was just okay. Nothing special, but don't understand all the hate.

A large portion of the world is sexist against women. This movie stars a strong women, so it pisses people off.

And that's relevant to saying the film is simply okay...how, exactly?

Because it was a question about where the hate stems from and Saelune gave her view on where it might come from.

 

[CyanCat47_v1legacy]

it feels like the only reason the plot of Guardians 1 happened was that Captain Marvel couldn't spare another 2 minutes to take out Ronans entire fleet there and then.

Maybe super heroes aren't big on mass murder and stuff.

As I said, Ronan kills more people in the final battle of Guardians 1 than we see die on screen in this movie and Captain Marvel had already killed two spaceships worth of crew at this point. She is basically letting a terrorist go, knowing that her powers were the only deterrant keeping him from wiping out earth's population just to get to the Skrulls and that he will almost certainly go hunt after the Skrull diaspora somewhere else if she lets him go. Assuming that the MCU follows our calendar which this movie more or less confirms, Ronan would keep on going around the galaxy for almost 20 years after this and was never caught or stopped before the end of Guardians 1. That's why having Ronan in this movie doesn't work, because it makes it look like the hero enabled him to go on this long for no immediately clear or justifiable reason other than a presumed regard for the sanctity of life which Captain marvel never really consistently displays

 

[Saelune]

it feels like the only reason the plot of Guardians 1 happened was that Captain Marvel couldn't spare another 2 minutes to take out Ronans entire fleet there and then.

Maybe super heroes aren't big on mass murder and stuff.

As I said, Ronan kills more people in the final battle of Guardians 1 than we see die on screen in this movie and Captain Marvel had already killed two spaceships worth of crew at this point. She is basically letting a terrorist go, knowing that her powers were the only deterrant keeping him from wiping out earth's population just to get to the Skrulls and that he will almost certainly go hunt after the Skrull diaspora somewhere else if she lets him go. Assuming that the MCU follows our calendar which this movie more or less confirms, Ronan would keep on going around the galaxy for almost 20 years after this and was never caught or stopped before the end of Guardians 1. That's why having Ronan in this movie doesn't work, because it makes it look like the hero enabled him to go on this long for no immediately clear or justifiable reason other than a presumed regard for the sanctity of life which Captain marvel never really consistently displays

They should have had him immediately flee. Like, that is what I was expecting, but instead they just...stared eachother for like, the longest minute ever. Instead it should have been him barely escaping her attack. I loved this movie, but that is definitely a weird moment that should have been different.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Eh. Pretty mediocre for me.

There is not a creative bone in this movie's body. So generic, so average. Which might be unfair, since its basically on the same level as an Ant-man movie and the early Thor movies. But I was expecting more.

Brie Larsen didn't sell her character at all for me (which I suspect is more due to the director, whoever that is). She's quippy, aaaaaand that's it. What they tried to do with her motivations was poorly executed. Her powers are a bore, and never really explained eithe (are we just gonna drop spoilers btw?).

Speaking of her powers, the action in this movie kinda sucked. None of the tightly choreographed fist fights of the Captain America movies, and none of the visually interesting spectacle of Thor/Doctor Strange/GotG. No cool factor like with the Iron Man armor either. Entertaining action is the least I expect from a Marvel movie, and Cap Marvs couldn't deliver.

I want to see what decent directors (no disrespect to the directors of this movie, but I really have no idea who they are) can do with her character and her abilities.

Lastly, FUCK that last part with Fury. That's some stupid ass fucking shit.

 

[BrawlMan]

Captain Marvel looks okay, but I don't have much interest in seeing it. The "controversy" (if you can call it that) is of course, is stupid as always and film should live or die on its own merits. Captain Marvel is going to make money regardless anyway, and I don't need to see it to understand the next Avengers movie. For the record I like new Star Wars films and Man of Steel (Batman V. Superman I am more mixed, but thought it was average). Star Trek, old or new, whether they be the movies or the shows I never cared for at all. The new Star Wars films have problems, but they are not that bad, and I say this as a casual SW fan. I feel its another case of people overreacting over minor stuff, yet I will always despise Admiral Po or whatever her name is. I hate that character so much.

Plus, I already saw my woman-kicking-ass movie, Alita. Though all forms of media could use more.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

I thought it was just okay. Nothing special, but don't understand all the hate.

A large portion of the world is sexist against women. This movie stars a strong women, so it pisses people off.

The movie itself wasn't overbearingly feminist (although Just A Girl playing during a fight was corny as fuck).

I still think Brie Larson isn't a good choice for Carol. The movie really only works because of the supporting cast.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

A lot of fun. But I will confess that whenever someone said to Danvers "You're too emotional, you let your emotions get the better of you" I had to think "...does she?"
Like, even when she's deliberately shed the Kree stoic warrior facade she still seems a bit...one note. Kind of reminded me of any time Sarah Michelle Gellar was trying to be evil in Buffy

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I thought it was just okay. Nothing special, but don't understand all the hate.

A large portion of the world is sexist against women. This movie stars a strong women, so it pisses people off.

The movie itself wasn't overbearingly feminist (although Just A Girl playing during a fight was corny as fuck).

I still think Brie Larson isn't a good choice for Carol. The movie really only works because of the supporting cast.

I think the actual concern is that it will be Captain Marvel and her alone that will the chosen one to ultimately defeat and kill Thanos.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I thought it was just okay. Nothing special, but don't understand all the hate.

A large portion of the world is sexist against women. This movie stars a strong women, so it pisses people off.

The movie itself wasn't overbearingly feminist (although Just A Girl playing during a fight was corny as fuck).

I still think Brie Larson isn't a good choice for Carol. The movie really only works because of the supporting cast.

I think the actual concern is that it will be Captain Marvel and her alone that will the chosen one to ultimately defeat and kill Thanos.

I don't think anybody's gonna "kill" Thanos. He's gonna die from tapping into too much power or some blameless bullshit like every other MCU villain. Disney can't have their heroes kill the villain. Ever notice how all the MCU baddies either kill each other or otherwise kill themselves?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I thought it was just okay. Nothing special, but don't understand all the hate.

A large portion of the world is sexist against women. This movie stars a strong women, so it pisses people off.

The movie itself wasn't overbearingly feminist (although Just A Girl playing during a fight was corny as fuck).

I still think Brie Larson isn't a good choice for Carol. The movie really only works because of the supporting cast.

I think the actual concern is that it will be Captain Marvel and her alone that will the chosen one to ultimately defeat and kill Thanos.

I see no reason why.

I believe it is because her detractors think she does not deserve to beat Thanos because otherwise what was the point in developing Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk, Spiderman, Black Panther, if its this "Feminist Icon" that saves the day in the end, and she only just appeared this year?

 

[Trunkage]

I thought it was just okay. Nothing special, but don't understand all the hate.

A large portion of the world is sexist against women. This movie stars a strong women, so it pisses people off.

The movie itself wasn't overbearingly feminist (although Just A Girl playing during a fight was corny as fuck).

I still think Brie Larson isn't a good choice for Carol. The movie really only works because of the supporting cast.

I think the actual concern is that it will be Captain Marvel and her alone that will the chosen one to ultimately defeat and kill Thanos.

I see no reason why.

I believe it is because her detractors think she does not deserve to beat Thanos because otherwise what was the point in developing Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk, Spiderman, Black Panther, if its this "Feminist Icon" that saves the day in the end, and she only just appeared this year?

It's a 3 hour movie, but somehow Captain Marvel beats Thanos singlehandedly? Or maybe she makes some new friends and helps them with a problem.

These guys are calling for a sin bin on Captain Marvel because she's had no movies. So are we not going to get new superheroes now?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I thought it was just okay. Nothing special, but don't understand all the hate.

A large portion of the world is sexist against women. This movie stars a strong women, so it pisses people off.

The movie itself wasn't overbearingly feminist (although Just A Girl playing during a fight was corny as fuck).

I still think Brie Larson isn't a good choice for Carol. The movie really only works because of the supporting cast.

I think the actual concern is that it will be Captain Marvel and her alone that will the chosen one to ultimately defeat and kill Thanos.

I see no reason why.

I believe it is because her detractors think she does not deserve to beat Thanos because otherwise what was the point in developing Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk, Spiderman, Black Panther, if its this "Feminist Icon" that saves the day in the end, and she only just appeared this year?

It's a 3 hour movie, but somehow Captain Marvel beats Thanos singlehandedly? Or maybe she makes some new friends and helps them with a problem.

These guys are calling for a sin bin on Captain Marvel because she's had no movies. So are we not going to get new superheroes now?

I am merely just speaking about my impression about all this controversy regarding Captain Marvel combined with my experience of all these topics about "Feminist-Mary Sues"

 

[Trunkage]

Brie Larson is always appreciated, so is the 70s and 90s, on these little basis I was already sold. Apparently Brie said some stuff that made the tinterweb manbabies have a shit fit, no idea what it was but can only imagine it involved white genocide or some crap. Can't help but wonder if they put the same bitter energy towards Mel Gibson's output too.

oh yeah, a cute kittie cat certainly helps, for sure. but I will be sorely disappointed if it doesn't have a heroic moment somewhere

She said something along the lines of the movie not being made for white men while being smug and shaking her head in an annoying angle or some such.

I'll be glad to prove her wrong!

She later was apparently pressured by her publicist into walking these comments back somewhat with a tepid "I just wanna include more people not restrict some" and whatnot platitude. Though all that stuff is kinda noise when talking about the movie. It's all about the personality of the actress and her politics and whatnot. Completely unimportant stuff when in the context of a fictional story.

The quote is earlier in this thread. Pretty much says, "I want to hear from not just white 40 year old guys." Which, of course, should be offensive to anyone.

Could have she worded it nicer so it doesn't trigger white guys? Sure. Hence her point about not trying to exclude them later.

As a person who is 'targeted' by Larsen? People being offended are just making mountains out of molehills. It's like when you called her smug. Because smug now seems to mean 'I dont like what their saying' rather than a facial expression.

I'm not entirely certain that is the same quote I had in mind but either way it's less about facial expression and more about uhh, neck movement, I guess?

Point mainly is that this is just the actress' own personality that's abrasive and it has little to do with the movie. Sure, it was in connection to the movie, but it's unfair to blame the movie that has a ton of people working on it cause this one actress behaves the way she does. I can see blaming her all you want but you can't apply her flaws to the fictional world of the movie or even to the character that she portrays because that world is governed by the writers so she can say she hates white men or whatever but if the writer writes her into a neonazi concubine in the next one her character will morph into that irrespective of whatever her feelings on white men are. Even if she were to refuse to play that character and they got someone else to do it it'd still be the same character.

Separate art from the artist and judge works in a vacuum, that's the only fair approach.

When I heard the quote, I didn't think it was abrasive at all, I just saw someone trying to speak to their audience. But after someone pointing it out, I can understand their point of view.

Now, let's take an example of something that could equally be seen as abrasive around the same topic. This is my Prime Minister's speech on International Women's Day;

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/svgscomoiwdspeech0903/video/a12afbf8f2ef5cb0c790f4be50066577

Sorry, haven't found a clip without commentary on it that isn't part of some news corporation. TLDR: we aren't going to push men down to uplift women. Which hasn't been what any Feminist has said. It also implies that women just need to wait their turn before their allowed in, which is pretty much a summary of Patriarchy (which is a problem with a system and not a targeting of actual people unless they are corrupting the system.)

So, he's speaking to his audience (as a conservative). Don't worry, men. Women wont take your jobs. But trying to uplift women. This too could be said much better. I personally can see what he's trying to say and wont call him a sexist because he's made a gaffe. I don't hold Larsen, because who was commenting specifically on her movie, because she said a gaffe. I'll try to listen to what she meant, especially since she tried to clarify it.