I think the Catholic Church (despite reputation, it's filled with some really smart people) is looking at this as a legal ground game. If Smite flies against the Hindu faith, then the next step is the Abrahamic religions, which means Smite 2.0 will have Jesus and Mohammed in a slap-fight. The Catholic Church obviously doesn't want this, so it picks the early fight on someone else's turf, joining into a united front to build consensus.FEichinger said:Because it fits:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/8161-39
Anyways ... I do get the drift, but yet again, it's an overreaction (and I'm not sure whether the Catholic church just uses this as an opportunity to fix their "reputation" o.o)
I'm not talking about impressive sounding names, but the story of FFX.Fapmaster5000 said:Final Fantasy tends to just toss "impressive" names onto unrelated creatures. It probably never even popped onto their radar. Smite, on the other hand, is directly marketing "Play as this god/goddess and whup some divine ass!" It's a little more... direct.starwarsgeek said:I get the idea behind this outcry: people of the Hindu faith don't want to see their religion treated as a toy. Gaming has yet to treat the topic of religion well. I don't think they're reacting the right way though. Encourage people to ignore the game, and hold it up as an example on not treating the topic properly. After all, I don't remember a huge deal being made about Final Fantasy 10.
It's the difference between someone saying they "banged ur mom" and that person creating a lifelike inflatable doll of your mother, banging it, and then mailing you the explicit video, complete with recorded sounds of your mother's orgasm. One, most people would brush off, the other, people might care about.
Not saying I disagree with Smite, I've had friends say the test runs were a lot of fun, but there is a matter of perspective to consider for those who don't share our worldview.
Thing is, that's not direct enough. Corrupt churches, false gods, those are all included inside a lot of religious texts. Again, someone could get offended, but it's nowhere near as direct.starwarsgeek said:I'm not talking about impressive sounding names, but the story of FFX.Fapmaster5000 said:Final Fantasy tends to just toss "impressive" names onto unrelated creatures. It probably never even popped onto their radar. Smite, on the other hand, is directly marketing "Play as this god/goddess and whup some divine ass!" It's a little more... direct.starwarsgeek said:I get the idea behind this outcry: people of the Hindu faith don't want to see their religion treated as a toy. Gaming has yet to treat the topic of religion well. I don't think they're reacting the right way though. Encourage people to ignore the game, and hold it up as an example on not treating the topic properly. After all, I don't remember a huge deal being made about Final Fantasy 10.
It's the difference between someone saying they "banged ur mom" and that person creating a lifelike inflatable doll of your mother, banging it, and then mailing you the explicit video, complete with recorded sounds of your mother's orgasm. One, most people would brush off, the other, people might care about.
Not saying I disagree with Smite, I've had friends say the test runs were a lot of fun, but there is a matter of perspective to consider for those who don't share our worldview.
.Yuna has the power to send trapped souls to the afterlife, walks on water, and is on a journey to sacrifice herself to save the world....from sin. She is clearly meant to be a Christ figure. As you progress, you interact more with the local Church, find out the not-Bishops are purposefully keeping the cycle of sin alive, and Yevon, their God, is the true source of sin, because he didn't want the world to advance passed the medieval age. The key to stopping sin is not sacrifice, but killing Yevon.
Any of these factors alone could have been unintended. After all, Christ figures are easy symbolism, and Final Fantasy loves rebelling against the establishment. However, with all of these together, it seems unlikely that "abandon the Church because it is holding us back" is not the intended message of the game.
Science can be copyrighted in exactly the manner I suggested: I cannot reproduce an article word-for-word that I did not write without violating copyright law. That's the manner I suggested, and that's how the law works.mindlesspuppet said:--snip--
Science, as you suggested, cannot be copyright. A non-fiction book, a book about science for example, can be copyrighted as a literary work. Again, there's a huge difference. Just as you can't copyright scientific terms, you cannot copyright historical figures, there for if religion is meant to be taken as a work of non-fiction then the figures in it cannot be copyrighted.
Everything you list is copyrighting the authors words; not the people, subjects, etc of the work.
Wow. Ran out of anything of substance to say already, have we?mindlesspuppet said:Jokes aren't funny if you don't have a sense of humor, or if you're a bit slow and they go over your head.
Aren't they technically the same guy?felbot said:oh now i definitely hope they include the abrahamic god and include allah incase the muslims wanna protest too.
Could not agree more. I kind of pleased to see religions setting beliefs aside to agree on a matter.Fapmaster5000 said:Yeah, the reaction in this thread seems appropriate if:
-The protesters were issues death threats.
-The protesters were turning this into a crusade.
-The protesters were using "YOU WILL BURN IN HELL, HEATHENS!" language and embarrassing themselves.
Instead, this is a very reasonable "Hey, that's pretty insulting, could you please *not* do that?" There's no crusade, no fatwas, no threats to murder the creators, not even threats of pointless lawsuits. What we're seeing here is a bunch of different religions getting together and agreeing, reasonably, that this is insulting, and standing together on a mutual point, respectfully.
There's a good debate here, but it's NOT on this forum right now. The only juvenile ranting I've seen from this story has been the first page and half of mindless rage.
Escapists, you're better than this.
For like the third time, that's not copyrighting science, it's copyrighting a scientific writing. Is the concept that hard to grasp? You cannot copyright a formula, equation, even a theory, you can however copyright writing or other works based on such topics.Azuaron said:Science can be copyrighted in exactly the manner I suggested: I cannot reproduce an article word-for-word that I did not write without violating copyright law. That's the manner I suggested, and that's how the law works.mindlesspuppet said:--snip--
Science, as you suggested, cannot be copyright. A non-fiction book, a book about science for example, can be copyrighted as a literary work. Again, there's a huge difference. Just as you can't copyright scientific terms, you cannot copyright historical figures, there for if religion is meant to be taken as a work of non-fiction then the figures in it cannot be copyrighted.
Everything you list is copyrighting the authors words; not the people, subjects, etc of the work.
Yes, no shit. I already said this. You aren't copyrighting the historical figure but rather the work the figure was part of.Azuaron said:And, while you can't copyright historical figures, you can copyright the portrayal of historical figures. For instance, if I take a picture of President Obama, I own the copyright to that picture. No one else can use that picture without my permission.
It's almost like I said "everything you list is copyrighting the authors words; not the people, subjects, etc of the work,", and you either didn't get it or just skipped over it. But way to type out a paragraph confirming what I've already wrote, it often helps an argument flow when the person I'm arguing against reiterates my point for me.Azuaron said:Likewise, if I write a nonfiction book about Joe Johannasmith, a small town grocer, no one else can write a book about Joe Johannasmith unless they go talk to Joe and people who know Joe and do their own research. If everything they know about Joe was acquired through reading my book, even though everything's nonfiction, I own the copyright to that portrayal of Joe Johannasmith, and no one else can write a book about him without doing independent research.
I made my point, several times, no more substance needed. Perhaps you just don't see how saying one can "copyright science" is incorrect (how stupid it sounds), or even how vastly different it is than saying "copyright scientific works", which is valid.Azuaron said:snip...
Wow. Ran out of anything of substance to say already, have we?
Well, I'm right, and you're a poopoo head!
A scientific work is science. Science is also other things, but a work of science, is, by definition, science. When I say that science is copyrightable in the exact manner I explained, and when I explained I used an example of the copyrightability of a scientific work in the JPSP, I mean that science is copyrightable in the exact manner I explained (i.e., a scientific work being copyrightable).mindlesspuppet said:--snip--
Last time I recall hearing about all them working together, it was to make it illegal for anyone to say anything bad about religion.Revnak said:Thank you mr. downer face! Now Imma have to go watch some silly videos to make myself feel better again. And that is also blatantly wrong and a gross oversimplification.Worgen said:*snip*
I understand that you think that statement is dissonant. I believe I even understand why you think that. The statement "So please, go cry in the corner silently" does not mean the speaker does not wish to hear any other point of view, it means he does not approve of a particular view. And it certainly does not display a lack of respect for anyone's rights. For them and their views, sure.Fapmaster5000 said:A simple question: Do you even comprehend how dissonant the inciting statement was?Rooster Cogburn said:There is nothing hypocritical about that. Just because speech is free and unrestricted doesn't mean all speech is a good idea. Just because they legally can complain about it does not mean they ought to. There's nothing wrong with telling someone to shut the hell up, at least not in-and-of-itself. And if I think it's a good idea to complain about one product for a particular reason in a particular instance that doesn't mean I have to approve of all complaining for any reason forevermore Amen.
Let me lay it out for you.
"I can say anything I want about it whenever I want to. So please, go cry in the corner silently."
I can say anything I want about it whenever I want to. --> This indicates that the speaker takes pride in his free speech, and doesn't care who it hurts or offends. While this is legal under the Constitution, with certain very tight restrictions (assuming America here, based on previous discussion, but many other countries possess very similar laws), it is still highly juvenile. Empathy and enlightened self-interest are basic steps in human development, after all.
So please, go cry in the corner silently. --> This indicates that the speaker DOES NOT WISH to hear any other points of view: that the speaker does not respect the rights of others to enjoy the same free he/she enjoys. This is not only juvenile, it speaks of a lack of basic understanding and comprehension of the very purpose of the right of free speech.
On topic: Can Smite be made? Absolutely. Should it be? That's the debate. Obviously, some feel it should be, others disagree, but the artist will produce, and that will be that. What in here required such ferocity?
Now, on to your statement. Throughout much of it, you seem to express the same inability to comprehend that rights for you mean rights for others, and that speech you agree with is not the speech that needs protected most, but rather, it is unpopular speech that needs sanctuary, but I'll assume I'm simply reading your post incorrectly, and focus on this line:
Just because speech is free and unrestricted doesn't mean all speech is a good idea.
Wonderful. Now, oh wise councilor, can you please tell me which speech you deem appropriate?
Now, I'm not going to disagree. There is dangerous speech (Yelling "fire" in the theater, perhaps, or revealing information about national security.) but these boundaries are very tightly kept by the supreme legal authorities in a free land. What part of "We disagree" requires that society slam down upon them with the burning censor stamp?
I'm waiting eagerly for your reply.
Saying that one view should be expressed and one shouldn't is not in-and-of-itself hypocritical. And there is certainly no abridgement of freedom of speech here, explicit or implied. To tell someone to shut up is not to impugn their freedoms. To force them to shut up would be. They have the right to speech, they don't have the right to a captive audience.Azuaron said:There are many ways to express the view that something someone else has said is disagreeable to you, incorrect, or, even, probably shouldn't have been said. Many of these ways can be expressed without making you a hypocrite.Rooster Cogburn said:There is nothing hypocritical about that. Just because speech is free and unrestricted doesn't mean all speech is a good idea. Just because they legally can complain about it does not mean they ought to. There's nothing wrong with telling someone to shut the hell up, at least not in-and-of-itself. And if I think it's a good idea to complain about one product for a particular reason in a particular instance that doesn't mean I have to approve of all complaining for any reason forevermore Amen.Azuaron said:-- snip--
When someone criticizes what you say, and your response is, "I can say what I want, so shut up," you're a hypocrite. It's really about understanding one's personal rights but not extending that understanding to others that makes one a hypocrite in this instance.
Beyond that, other than our one disagreement about what constitutes hypocrisy, we seem to be saying the same thing--if you'd read the part of my post about disagreeable jackasses, you'd know I already brought up a number of the points that you did, and also basically told a number of people that they shouldn't be saying what they were saying, but did so in a way that did not impugn their right to say it or make me a hypocrite.
And, this is getting somewhat recursive, but but if you think it's a good idea to complain about one product for a particular reason in a particular instance, whether or not you approve of other complaints towards other products is irrelevant to the issue of whether or not people should be allowed to complain about products.
Pah, Ladd Russo all the way.kortin said:You must keep the Rail Tracer. While Vino is an amazing character, Firo just takes the hat for me. That green fedora and suit...oh man...Revnak said:Everyone can and should appreciate my avatar. You know, I was just about to change it to something from league of legends as I have become addicted to that game, but now it just wouldn't be right. Thank you for showing me the way individual who is apparently chilly chill.