Cheating AI
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This wasn't as much a cheat it was a bug, but it stems from a cheat.
AI in STALKER have a ludicrously high detection ability. The Programmers never managed to work in stealth, despite evidence to attempts (noise meter, stealth weapons, stealth enemies etc).
But if you save in certain areas, when you haven't been detected, upon loading that area again, every AI in the vicinity knows your there.
I only found this out during the mission where you have to sneak (or just shoot) your way into a military base and get a briefcase. I tried to do it pure sneaky like, got out of the sewer drain I start at and crawled over to a house and saved.
Shortly after that I was caught and got blown away.
Reloaded and I was immediately spotted (In cover, away from enemies) and the alarm went off and enemies started converging on my location.
From that point on Stalker was just a shooter with survival aspects. The illusion of stealth was lost.
AI in STALKER have a ludicrously high detection ability. The Programmers never managed to work in stealth, despite evidence to attempts (noise meter, stealth weapons, stealth enemies etc).
But if you save in certain areas, when you haven't been detected, upon loading that area again, every AI in the vicinity knows your there.
I only found this out during the mission where you have to sneak (or just shoot) your way into a military base and get a briefcase. I tried to do it pure sneaky like, got out of the sewer drain I start at and crawled over to a house and saved.
Shortly after that I was caught and got blown away.
Reloaded and I was immediately spotted (In cover, away from enemies) and the alarm went off and enemies started converging on my location.
From that point on Stalker was just a shooter with survival aspects. The illusion of stealth was lost.
Yeah, for all my love of the Stalker series. It could never do stealth right.Ragsnstitches said:
Cheating or unfair AI, regardless of a games difficulty is very frustrating. It's one of the reasons I completely went off the Need for Speed games. The AI/game cheats so badly that it ruined the game. I don't remember which title it was from "the franchise", but it was before Undercover. You can never lap an AI opponent, their cars will always match yours for performance, if they crash head-on into a wall, they will be back up behind you within seconds.
No matter how flawlessly the player drives and how many accidents the AI have behind (or as a result of) him, they will hound him till the en. Meanwhile if the player so much as scrapes his wing mirror, slowing his car down by 2/10ths of a second, he'll be overtaken at the line by a virtual racer he thought lost in his dust.
Mario Kart on the Wii also drove me mad. It's not so much "cheating AI" as it is the game's design choices. I enjoyed the gameplay and levels well enough, but whether the player wins or loses has absolutely nothing to do with how well they drive. It's wholly dependant on the game and the player can drive as flawlessly and cleanly as they like and they'll still get lightninged, shelled, overtaken, shrunk, squashed, knocked off edges and more through no fault of their own and without any control over or ability to influence the outcome. That annoys me greatly, didn't bother finishing that one either. It constantly punishes whomever is in 1st to the point of frustration and resentment.
No matter how flawlessly the player drives and how many accidents the AI have behind (or as a result of) him, they will hound him till the en. Meanwhile if the player so much as scrapes his wing mirror, slowing his car down by 2/10ths of a second, he'll be overtaken at the line by a virtual racer he thought lost in his dust.
Mario Kart on the Wii also drove me mad. It's not so much "cheating AI" as it is the game's design choices. I enjoyed the gameplay and levels well enough, but whether the player wins or loses has absolutely nothing to do with how well they drive. It's wholly dependant on the game and the player can drive as flawlessly and cleanly as they like and they'll still get lightninged, shelled, overtaken, shrunk, squashed, knocked off edges and more through no fault of their own and without any control over or ability to influence the outcome. That annoys me greatly, didn't bother finishing that one either. It constantly punishes whomever is in 1st to the point of frustration and resentment.
shogun 2, i attacked kyoto and they only had one stack in town and one a bit to far away to help, i saved before hand because i knew i was being stupid at that point but i couldnt let a chance like that pass up, i assassinated all but one of the generals there so yeah, the game then proceeded to crash on me, i reloaded and what do you know that stack which was too far away from the town suddenly appeared right next to me.
basically screw you shogun 2.
basically screw you shogun 2.
I knew the intermediate AI seemed BS in some way, I mean I can normally tear a player apart in seconds as volibear but intermediate AI seems to have a infinite resource of healing.Vuliev said:
In soulcalibour 5 there is a game mode which is a series of 6 ever increasingly cheating AI, perfectly blocking you the entire fight and pulling off combos not humanly possible is fight 1, I rage quit at fight 4.
4? I was talking about 5. I recall one time I was playing Civ5 and one AI asked me to go to war against another so I was like "Ok, sure." Well actually I was like "Give me 10 turns to prepare" because I never commit right away; but anyway when it came time to get the war underway I eventually managed to capture 2 enemy cities. I then checked the Diplomacy thing to discover that the AI that had asked me to go to war with him had a + for joining him against a common for, but also had labeled me a warmongering menace to the world. WHAT??The7Sins said:
dawn of war also "cheated" like crazy, all changing the difficulty did was giving the AI increased health and damage.
cheating AI is the laziest way to make your game difficult there is, instead of focusing on making the AI actually better at the game you just pile on unfair advantages to up the difficulty.
quite frankly it is getting tiresome.
cheating AI is the laziest way to make your game difficult there is, instead of focusing on making the AI actually better at the game you just pile on unfair advantages to up the difficulty.
quite frankly it is getting tiresome.
Fighting games. Just, all of them. They do that all the time and it sucks. It makes me want to beat my head against a brick wall.
It's especially annoying when you get really steep difficulty curves as well. I was playing SSFIV and even though I'm not particularly good at it I can get to the final stage relatively easily on normal difficulty. Then I spent about an hour trying to beat Seth. It was the worst hour of my life.
It's especially annoying when you get really steep difficulty curves as well. I was playing SSFIV and even though I'm not particularly good at it I can get to the final stage relatively easily on normal difficulty. Then I spent about an hour trying to beat Seth. It was the worst hour of my life.
Alot of the time in gears of war i've got AI absorbing much more damage than it should be able to take and moving quicker than it's difficulty setting. also they know know where every weapon on the map is and where anybody is instantly nomatter what difficulty you play. even veterans can't pull that off.
I also recall a time (again in 5) where I was labeled a war mongering menace to the world after the AI declared war on me. Yeah, the AI declared war on me so I'm like "ok ************, bring it." So after an arduous campaign I take out a city or two only to find out I've been labeled a war mongering menace to the world. Again WHAT?? (badly imitated 10th Doctor voice optional).The7Sins said:
I'd like to add to this that Rugal in '94 could kill you in two hits. His Genocide Cutter has absolute priority and hits you for 75% DAMAGE.Karutomaru said:
They also have the apparent luck to Freeze my Empoleon.Shanicus said:
They froze my Awesome Penguin who is a water type and made of steel, who has native blood from the coldest place on earth (Antarctica), who has a 4x resistance to ice, and who's name is Grif.
I know only ice types cannot be frozen, but that still makes no sense here.
Off topic: Your avatar is genius.
Karutomaru said:
It took me 80 Attempts to put him down. Omega Rugal was surprisingly easier though.