Christopher Dorner first drone target on U.S. soil.

[rednose1]

You haven't heard the uproar over killing Anwar Al-Awlaki and his son? Both were still U.S. citizens when they were killed in drone strikes. Eric Holder (current U.S. Attorney general. May have heard of him from " Operation Fast and Furious" debacle) even told people "The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process."


Yea...the U.S.A has been steady going downhill for awhile now. The thing to remember is to be loyal to ideals, not governments.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

The thing that bothers me about this is the slippery slope[footnote]internet logicians, don't start. It may be a technical fallacy, but it's a practical reality.[/footnote]. This is the kind of case that ends up being, er, "solved," by a SWAT sniper, and with good reason. Using a drone in a case like this, especially just to search for the guy, is probably justified. The problem comes in when they're not just being used for these exceptional cases, and I can guarantee that it will happen, sooner or later.

 

[Singularly Datarific]

It's a reconnaissance drone, isn't it? It's no different than a surveillance camera with rotors. What I don't understand is how they expect to find one particular guy in a 3 million person city...

 

[dfphetteplace]

If someone is killed by a cop because they pose a risk to life, no one gets upset. They can be a citizen, with the right to a trial, but when it is a drone attack everyone gets upset. I don't think drones are a good idea, I just don't think this is a good argument. People are killed all the time by the police, many with good reason.

 

[Agayek]

What's the difference between a from drone mounted camera and the currently operated helicopter cameras?

The biggest difference is that in doing so, you no longer have to worry about people getting killed by the SAM the fugitive is reportedly lugging around.

 

[Platypus540]

They don't seem to be authorizing a drone strike, it sounds like they're using the drone for thermal imaging to track him.

Edit: Besides, we *know* that this guy has killed several people and is very heavily armed. It's safer to kill him with a robot than to send a SWAT team or something and risk policemen getting killed.

 

[EHKOS]

Enemy UAV in the air.

I'm having a difficult time not rooting for the guy, while he went about justice the entirely wrong way, his intentions were good in the beginning. I think. Too bad I'm not in the area, a cool mil? Let me get my Fett helmet and jetpack....

 

[Excludos]

They don't seem to be authorizing a drone strike, it sounds like they're using the drone for thermal imaging to track him.

Edit: Besides, we *know* that this guy has killed several people and is very heavily armed. It's safer to kill him with a robot than to send a SWAT team or something and risk policemen getting killed.

Safer yes, but also incredibly unethical. Its a thin line, I know. But I believe that if no lives are in direct danger, lethal force should not be used. But by all means, use it to find him.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

It's a reconnaissance drone, isn't it? It's no different than a surveillance camera with rotors. What I don't understand is how they expect to find one particular guy in a 3 million person city...

He's in the California wilderness, not Los Angeles.

There isn't any information if the drone is armed or even what drone they are using.


Also just because the New Zealand government uses Lockheed P-3 Orion's to combat illegal fishing

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/4860317/Nth-Korean-boats-blacklisted-for-illegal-fishing

doesn't necessary mean that they sink fishing vessels with them.

The same logic could be applied to this scenario.

 

[Zhukov]

I love how Americans only get pissed off when it's Americans being targeted by drones.

Armed drones target people all around the world? Eh, no big, they're just dirty foreigners. Recon drone used to search for murder suspect on the run? THE END TIMES ARE UPON US!

Hey, I'm not a citizen of the USA, so clearly I'd be less entitled to a trail or any of that jazz.

 

[nexus]

Its a cop threatening to kill other cops. Said cops also recently riddled a truck with bullets who they thought was "Christopher Dorner", a 6'2" 200+ black man. The truck wasn't his, it was in fact being driven by a very old Vietnamese woman. Doesn't matter though, they riddled the truck with dozens of bullets, I don't know if she was killed or was injured.

I honestly don't give a fuck about the two warring factions in this scenario, either Chris Dorner or the LAPD, seriously who gives a shit.

I care that they'll use any excuse to target anyone or do anything they please, but complaining about it on the internet doesn't seem to stop their insane rampages or blatant disregard for humanity, so yea. Have fun shooting each other fellas.

 

[Kopikatsu]

I love how Americans only get pissed off when it's Americans being targeted by drones.

Armed drones target people all around the world? Eh, no big, they're just dirty foreigners. Recon drone used to search for murder suspect on the run? THE END TIMES ARE UPON US!

Hey, I'm not a citizen of the USA, so clearly I'd be less entitled to a trail or any of that jazz.

It's more that drones are associated with warfare, and they're being used on US soil. For the same reason that 9/11 was a big deal, people take it very personally when they feel the fight has 'brought to us'. Some people might/do see this as the US waging war against itself, despite Dorner only being one man.

There's also the fact that the LAPD has been firing on civilians in the search for Dorner.

 

[WanderingFool]

It's official: The drone war has come home to America. Wanted fugitive Christopher Dorner, the homicidal former cop currently at war with the LAPD, has become the first known human target for airborne drones on U.S. soil. Their use was confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed the government's fear that Dorner will make a dash for the Mexican border. The fugitive has already killed three people, according to police, and has a $1 million bounty on his head. Dorner, who has military training, is believed to be hiding in the wilderness of California's San Bernardino Mountains, where locating him without air support may be all but impossible.

Credit: http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-is-first-drone-target-on-us-soil

Welcome to the days of Government executions my fellow Americans. In what way is it just for them to kill a man with out a fair trial? It's clear now the LAPD and the Government don't want to do the lawful thing and capture Dorner alive, they want a body. Murderer or not, Dorner is still a United States citizen and is entitled to a trial.

Your thoughts, Escapist?

Okay, just from reading not even past the first sentance of the article, I can see you're completely wrong...

They are using the drones to Find him. There was no mention of them using the drones to kill him. Lets wait until they do use drones to kill him without trial to start calling out "its 1984" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four]...

 

[Dangit2019]

Haven't the police been using drones for surveillance and pursuit more and more over the past few years? This definitely isn't the first...

 

[BarbaricGoose]

As many have said before, none of the sources of this article say that the drone is being used with the intention of killing him.

Secondly, even if it was, who cares? The only reason you SHOULD care is if there's collateral damage involved. This guy's killed 3 cops. When you do that, I think you give up your right to a trial. It's not like this guy's SUSPECTED of murdering 3 people--he DID murder 3 people. He even sent out a manifesto. He's just shy of being a serial killer. And no, I'm not condoning just gunning down criminals (because I know someone's gonna say that), but if given the choice between this guy assassinating another cop or killing him with a drone and no trial, I'll take the drone. Every. Single. Time.

Edit: after looking over some sources, it looks like ha MAY'VE murdered those people. I thought I read there was concrete proof. Apparently not. So... disregard. It WOULD be wrong to murder this man with a drone.

 

[the clockmaker]

I love how Americans only get pissed off when it's Americans being targeted by drones.

Armed drones target people all around the world? Eh, no big, they're just dirty foreigners. Recon drone used to search for murder suspect on the run? THE END TIMES ARE UPON US!

Hey, I'm not a citizen of the USA, so clearly I'd be less entitled to a trail or any of that jazz.

It's more that drones are associated with warfare, and they're being used on US soil. For the same reason that 9/11 was a big deal, people take it very personally when they feel the fight has 'brought to us'. Some people might/do see this as the US waging war against itself, despite Dorner only being one man.

There's also the fact that the LAPD has been firing on civilians in the search for Dorner.

Rifles are associated with warfare, the FBI is rocking about with M4s
Body armour is associated with warfare, SWAT is happy with that.
Multicam is a military uniform, which the DEA is using as their latest in fall raiding fashion.

Just because something is used by the military does not invalidate its use in law enforcement.

 

[spartan231490]

It's official: The drone war has come home to America. Wanted fugitive Christopher Dorner, the homicidal former cop currently at war with the LAPD, has become the first known human target for airborne drones on U.S. soil. Their use was confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed the government's fear that Dorner will make a dash for the Mexican border. The fugitive has already killed three people, according to police, and has a $1 million bounty on his head. Dorner, who has military training, is believed to be hiding in the wilderness of California's San Bernardino Mountains, where locating him without air support may be all but impossible.

Credit: http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-is-first-drone-target-on-us-soil

Welcome to the days of Government executions my fellow Americans. In what way is it just for them to kill a man with out a fair trial? It's clear now the LAPD and the Government don't want to do the lawful thing and capture Dorner alive, they want a body. Murderer or not, Dorner is still a United States citizen and is entitled to a trial.

Your thoughts, Escapist?

Those days have been here for like 2 decades. Ruby Ridge.

As for my thoughts? We have bigger problems. Feinstein's gun ban, HR 347, Patriot ACT, NDAA, aforementioned Ruby Ridge, the Bill of Rights, and American Freedoms have been an illusion for years, maybe decades.

 

[spartan231490]

Welcome to the days of Government executions my fellow Americans. In what way is it just for them to kill a man with out a fair trial? It's clear now the LAPD and the Government don't want to do the lawful thing and capture Dorner alive, they want a body. Murderer or not, Dorner is still a United States citizen and is entitled to a trial.

Why is this only relevant if it's an American citizen?
Obama has signed off on what, 350 drone strikes? 350 strikes against "imminent threats" where there was "no other alternative" according to the CIA guy. What a load of bullshit.

It's just assassination is all it is.

And Obama has won the Noble Peace Prize? What a fuckin joke.

Hitting war targets, even when there is collateral damage, is a completely different being from executing criminals without trial. For fuck's sake, a century ago hitting civilian targets like cities was considered the best war strategy, this idea that civilians are sacred and should be left out of it is a very recent fabrication of our society.

 

[Kopikatsu]

And there's also the fact that people with a hard-on for being persecuted are willing to jump to the conclusion that the US is waging war against itself despite the fact that the first sentence of the OP's link shows that's not the case. Because fuck the truth, we need to imagine it's the end times!

Rifles are associated with warfare, the FBI is rocking about with M4s
Body armour is associated with warfare, SWAT is happy with that.
Multicam is a military uniform, which the DEA is using as their latest in fall raiding fashion.

Just because something is used by the military does not invalidate its use in law enforcement.

I said that's how it's being perceived, not that that's how it actually is. I personally have no interest in that particular matter, although I am interested in seeing how far Dorner gets.

 

[Commissar Sae]

I love how Americans only get pissed off when it's Americans being targeted by drones.

Armed drones target people all around the world? Eh, no big, they're just dirty foreigners. Recon drone used to search for murder suspect on the run? THE END TIMES ARE UPON US!

Hey, I'm not a citizen of the USA, so clearly I'd be less entitled to a trail or any of that jazz.

It's more that drones are associated with warfare, and they're being used on US soil. For the same reason that 9/11 was a big deal, people take it very personally when they feel the fight has 'brought to us'. Some people might/do see this as the US waging war against itself, despite Dorner only being one man.

There's also the fact that the LAPD has been firing on civilians in the search for Dorner.

Rifles are associated with warfare, the FBI is rocking about with M4s
Body armour is associated with warfare, SWAT is happy with that.
Multicam is a military uniform, which the DEA is using as their latest in fall raiding fashion.

Just because something is used by the military does not invalidate its use in law enforcement.

This is all true, it's just that people have had more time to come to terms with those realities. Drones are still fairly new and the only times anyone has really heard about them is when they blow something/someone up somewhere else in the world.

All things told, I'm not even sure I trust the American military with armed drones, since they have tended to be rather quick on the trigger resulting in unfortunately frequent friendly fire incidents last time Canada fought alongside them. That said I have absolutely no issue with unmanned surveillance drones as they will help save the lives of soldiers and civilians both with the intel they provide.

OT: OP is freaking out over nothing, as many others have noted. This is a surveillance drone and short of dive bombing him it is unlikely to cause any lasting harm other than inform the LAPD of his current wereabouts (which will probably expose him to an awful lot of lasting harm, since they are clearly out to kill him anyway.)