Clarification needed: Why do women LOVE Twilight?
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ok now i can respondOnmi said:
i was purely going off of the positives my sister has been ranting about. i've never read the books, so i didnt now about the other stuff he did. pleading ignorance basically.
Some girls love two-dimensional characters that encompass an impossible list of perfections, much like some men like slutty, two-dimensional, and impossibly perfect bodied woman.
Its the Mary-Sue effect in full force.
Its the Mary-Sue effect in full force.
Marry me?TorturedHylianSoul said:
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Humans are stupid....very stupid. Notice that I said humans, not women. Alot of you are bashing girls for not knowing what they want, which really isn't fair, since none of us really know for sure what we want. Sometimes we want to fuck something, other times we want someone to hold on to to fulfill our desire to be loved. Other times we just want to be left alone. Likewise, sometimes girls want to be held, sometimes they want attention paid to them, sometimes they want to be ignored, and sometimes they just want to be taken.
There's a reason women favor confidence over kindness in a guy, and that the good guys finish last. I think our society has fallen so lowly into the slog that is political correctness that we've forgotten that there are differences between the genders, that can be found in any animal. One difference is that males are programmed to conquer, and females are programmed to submit. Our ability as humans to fight off genetic programming is much stronger than it is in animals, but it's still there.
Does that mean women should be subservient to men? Does that make women less than men? Hell no. They should have all the rights that men have. But sexually, (most) women like being taken. Before I delve into this, a small disclaimer:
I THINK ANY MAN WHO ACTUALLY RAPES A WOMAN SHOULD BE CASTRATED PUBLICLY, SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY
That point aside, women who are raped (I've known two personally) frequently can't go back to gentle, loving sex. The experience of being owned is just so much hotter for them. Another side note:
I DO NOT THINK WOMEN WANT TO BE ACTUALLY RAPED
They don't want it, and they may hate the experience, but both of my anecdotal examples claimed that on some sick level, they enjoyed it. That's one of the reasons being raped is so traumatic. They hate themselves for the small part that liked it. Somewhere down the evolutionary chain, one gender was chosen to be predator, and the other was selected to be prey. Most women enjoy the idea of being taken by the man they love, and due to this, (and the fact that it frees them up from their guilty conscience caused by our Judeo Christian principles of "women can't like sex,") girls like confident douchebags.
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tl;dr Women like confident guys because confident guys fuck them. Nice guys are too nice about it. Edward falls into the former category. Women like Edward.
Bah. Twilight. I have no idea what 90% of the teenage female demographic sees in that book. No, wait, actually, I do. I'll spare you my opinion and redirect anyone who wants my opinion to some of the very well written posts on the first page.
Now, I've come to gritty acceptance with Twilight and my tasteless group of female friends who read it. They don't shove that terrible amalgamation of badly written crap into my face, and I don't light them on fire. Through this, I've come to kind of understand why a bunch of teenagers, a demographic I have no fondness for(Yes, I am aware of the hypocrisy, being a teenager myself) would be interested in this sort of thing. Here's what I don't understand.
Now, I have a language arts teacher. She's a married, very well rounded, respectable and intelligent woman, in my own opinion. Now, from what I've been told, do to something with standardized testing and as such not being allowed to be assigned any homework or tests(don't ask), we are going to watch Twilight in her class tomorrow.
What?
This is what gets me. She decides for the most part what we do during this period of time, obviously, and I've known for a while that she has liked Twilight. For the love of god, she put a poster of that Edward what's-his-face in the class, and I had to listen for the affectionate swoons of the entire female part of the classroom for the first couple days of it being there while I sat, blank eyed on my desk, contemplating all of the possible ways to commit suicide with the limited provisions in the classroom.
How does someone with good taste and a generally well rounded outlook like something like Twilight? I don't understand it. Maybe I had my teacher pegged wrong. But bah, listen to me ramble. I have to go read Lord of the Rings to clear out the accumulated bile of this short rant.
Now, I've come to gritty acceptance with Twilight and my tasteless group of female friends who read it. They don't shove that terrible amalgamation of badly written crap into my face, and I don't light them on fire. Through this, I've come to kind of understand why a bunch of teenagers, a demographic I have no fondness for(Yes, I am aware of the hypocrisy, being a teenager myself) would be interested in this sort of thing. Here's what I don't understand.
Now, I have a language arts teacher. She's a married, very well rounded, respectable and intelligent woman, in my own opinion. Now, from what I've been told, do to something with standardized testing and as such not being allowed to be assigned any homework or tests(don't ask), we are going to watch Twilight in her class tomorrow.
What?
This is what gets me. She decides for the most part what we do during this period of time, obviously, and I've known for a while that she has liked Twilight. For the love of god, she put a poster of that Edward what's-his-face in the class, and I had to listen for the affectionate swoons of the entire female part of the classroom for the first couple days of it being there while I sat, blank eyed on my desk, contemplating all of the possible ways to commit suicide with the limited provisions in the classroom.
How does someone with good taste and a generally well rounded outlook like something like Twilight? I don't understand it. Maybe I had my teacher pegged wrong. But bah, listen to me ramble. I have to go read Lord of the Rings to clear out the accumulated bile of this short rant.
Bowl Full said:
What pisses me off the most about Twilight is the fans and Edward. The fans that I know (except for 2 people) are assholes about their beloved series and they won't accept ANY criticism about it. Edward, both the character and the actor, are EMO!!!!!!! Seiously, you can't see Ed's wrists ANYWHERE in the movie or magazines. As for the book, I could not get past the 1st page because she starts off saying she would die for a loved one, then the next sentence she talks about the fucking WEATHER?!?! Why do we care about the weather?! Tell us what makes you want to die for said loved one and then tell us what would want to kill you in the first place! Meyer can't write for shit. That is not an opinion, it is FACT!!! In the end though, I can't say Twilight is the worst thing EVAR, but I can say that the fans are. Take extreme caution when The Host becomes a movie: The fans will slaughter us all for even existing around this thread. :O End mini rant. ( And seriously, in the book, SHE TALKS ABOUT THE WEATHER!!! GRRRRRRRRRR...)
Oh I almost forgot: In the movie Bella is pants on head retarded because she is told that she will die in a room full of mirrors. OK,she says. 5 mins. later, evil vampire douche calls and says, Bella can you meet me in a room full of mirrors? Why certainly, she says. My friends laugh their asses off because they think I'm kidding. I'm not. ( Thought I should throw that part in just in case you found it funny too.)
Its cute how you say that, as if Dan Brown is some sort of literary barometer for our generation.Trivun said:
I kind of liked it, I wouldn't pay to see it, but I would probably watch it again if there was nothing better to do. I also thought the acting was horrible to begin with, but later on it more felt that it was partly realistically awkward then just crap. I see why vampire fans would absolutely hate this, and yes Alucard is much better, though I would be scared to date him. Overall I don't think it's a great must watch movie, but it's not bad either in my view.
Exactly at what point did we as a culture transition from the idea that vampires are creepy, withered,floating hell-spawn, who hold the human soul right under a mouse turd.(Count Dracula) To vampires being skinny, girly, teenagers, who whine about their emotions and dress like rejected members from Green Day for being too whiney? Oi! Come on America! Wake up! Now when I watch a vampire movie its not like when I was a kid and would lie in bed watching the shadows for a monster to come and drink my blood, rather I'm worried some goth kid will sneak in my room and try to read me his bad poetry!
Twilight sets an unreasonable standard for men!
Why can't everyone's dream guy at least be HUMAN? This is so unfair!
Why can't everyone's dream guy at least be HUMAN? This is so unfair!
But at least there wasn't Kiano Reeves (probably spelled wrong but who cares?) in this movie.
"Dude...."~Kiano Reeves.
"Dude...."~Kiano Reeves.
