Clarification needed: Why do women LOVE Twilight?

[InifniteWit]

I think it's because these girl who haven't read a book that they weren't force to ever feel like they accomplished some big feat and thing that Twilight is a pinnacle of literary mastery. Despite the fact that It's a complete rip off with size eighteen font and the fact that it's a hardback make it ridiculously expensive. And these girls and boys, thinking that they've read some huge book despite its grandma size font and ridiculous margin feel that they are now scholars who have the right to piss on everybody else.

Sorry dude, I have to disagree. Now, I admit that the books aren't any Subtle Knife or Angels+Demons, but I can't see how it "forces" anyone to feel that. It's a book that is written well in some parts, not so well in others.

Oh no! It's a hardback!! Guess what? They invented these things called softbacks- quite a bit cheaper, which I understand was your gripe here. The font size wasn't anything noticably larger or smaller than standard, or at least I didn't pick up on it.

And finally, the assumption that we feel that we're scholars for finishing the book? Nah, we're just better informed to talk about it, on account of not just having watched a screen for three hours. Scholars are people who are better informed and more aware of the full subject that they are talking about, so in a way you're right.

What I meant to say was that people who have not read any books that they were not forced to read. That was just poorly phrased on my part.

As for font size. Twilight and let's say Rainbow Six are about the same thickness, size wise. While Rainbow Six has 894 pages of novel while Twilight has 512. And the fact that Rainbow Six has substantially smaller pages only points to one thing. A ridiculously large font in Twilight.

And please note that I'm only speaking from personal experience here. In my experience Twilight fans are insufferably obnoxious about what they perceive as the best book ever, despite not have ever read anything not published before this miserable decade.

 

[Trivun]

There are so many ideas about vampires that are actually wrong. All this 'can't be seen in a mirror, turning into a bat, having visible fangs, etc.' that we all take for granted is actually WRONG, it all stems from Bram Stoker's novel Dracula. He was as guilty of changing the ideas behind vampires as any trashy (or non-trashy) vampire film/novel today. Vampires are very versatile in that they have no set appearance, we only believe this to be the case thanks to Stoker's novel. The only truth behind vampires is that they originally came from various legends and myths that originated in the Far East. The stories spread and were later thought to have come from Eastern Europe, in particular Balkan countries like Bulgaria and Romania (hence Transylvania as the setting for Dracula, as this is a real place in Romania). There were many different legends that all played a part in creating the modern vampire. Some legends did indeed hold to the sort of thing explored in Dracula (for example, having no reflection and turning into a bat). However, these same stories also allowed for facts that are used in fiction today such as Twilight (e.g. sparkling in the sunlight, rather than being burned, or drinking animal blood rather than that of humans - note this is also a case in real life, with the actual species of bat called the 'vampire bat'). Anyone who deosn't like Twilight is entitled to their opinion, although I have to disagree with the Twilight bashing that keeps going on on threads like this. I am a straight guy who enjoyed the film and the books, and I understand that I am in a very small minority here, but everyone is entitled to an opinion and shouldn't be harassed by ANYONE (before you all start on me) for said opinion. I was able to read the books and watch the film not knowing if I would enjoy them or not, but with an open mind, because I was aware that Dracula and our pre-concieved notions of vampires are not the be-all and end-all, but that they are based on centuries old legends that are just as diverse as vampires in modern fiction.

 

[Labyrinth]

It's even more funny to me because it's pretty much a Mormon marriage book about being a dutiful wife. Think about it. She falls madly in love and will do anything for a mysterious, and much older, man who then refuses to 'bite' her until she's married or whatever. Add to the fact that she is absolutely infatuated. A servant of sorts.

I suspect in a lot of ways it's the same as men going to see a movie for the sake of a gorgeous woman in scant clothing. In short, it's a 13-year-old poser goth's wet dream.

 

[Trivun]

I think it's because these girl who haven't read a book that they weren't force to ever feel like they accomplished some big feat and thing that Twilight is a pinnacle of literary mastery. Despite the fact that It's a complete rip off with size eighteen font and the fact that it's a hardback make it ridiculously expensive. And these girls and boys, thinking that they've read some huge book despite its grandma size font and ridiculous margin feel that they are now scholars who have the right to piss on everybody else.

Sorry dude, I have to disagree. Now, I admit that the books aren't any Subtle Knife or Angels+Demons, but I can't see how it "forces" anyone to feel that. It's a book that is written well in some parts, not so well in others.

Oh no! It's a hardback!! Guess what? They invented these things called softbacks- quite a bit cheaper, which I understand was your gripe here. The font size wasn't anything noticably larger or smaller than standard, or at least I didn't pick up on it.

And finally, the assumption that we feel that we're scholars for finishing the book? Nah, we're just better informed to talk about it, on account of not just having watched a screen for three hours. Scholars are people who are better informed and more aware of the full subject that they are talking about, so in a way you're right.

What I meant to say was that people who have not read any books that they were not forced to read. That was just poorly phrased on my part.

As for font size. Twilight and let's say Rainbow Six are about the same thickness, size wise. While Rainbow Six has 894 pages of novel while Twilight has 512. And the face that Rainbow Six has substantially smaller pages only points to one thing. A ridiculously large font in Twilight.

And please note that I'm only speaking from personal experience here. In my experience Twilight fans are insufferably obnoxious about what they perceive as the best book ever, despite not have ever read anything not published before this miserable decade.

Actually, I happen to have read and enjoyed the books as well and I do not fall into the generalisation you so callously have put forward. Your own personal experience is obviously very VERY small, as I know several people who enjoyed Twilight (the books, not necessarily the film) and are avid readers of other fiction as well. I did English Literature for three years and as a result studied (and therefore read and understood) many different works of literature beyond anything you may have read or experienced, most of which were classics (e.g. Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness, and also various Shakespeare works). I still enjoyed Twilight despite being aware of its faults, and although I wouldn't rate it as highly as some other books I've read I would definitely say that I enjoyed the series. Also, more pages in a book doesn't necessarily mean a larger font size. I own a large collection of books and have never noticed (even checking now) any relation between book size and font size. So that renders yet another of your arguments completely null. If I were you I would explore every aspect of your argument and make DAMN sure you know what you are talking about before you make any sort of comment. Not trying to be rude or anything, but it gets on my nerves when people make comments about things they don't fully understand, like you in this instance.

 

[InifniteWit]

Alright then I'll spell it out here and now so that you will understand.

Point one: The font in Rainbow Six is very very small. Said novel also has very small pages and margins. That book has 894 pages.

Twilight has 500 some odd pages. I have seen the book. It does have a very large font along with excessively large margins. This illustrates that Twilight, printed on large thicker pages was printed this way to inflate the size and therefore the amount they could charge for it and still expect to make money. Were Twilight printed in the same font and layout as Rainbow six It'd likely be only about two hundred pages. This erodes its credibility in my opinion because it was produced this way deliberately to make money.

Point two: You have absolutely no idea how large my personal experience is. I think it's excessively rude(Not unlike most of the people I've spoken about Twilight with) to discard any arguments completely out of hand when not exploring every aspect of my argument.

Also if you're try to make a point please either underline or italicize your statement and stop holding the shift key.

 

[orifice]

I know a lot of boys who like Twilight (laughs).

Shoot them, shoot them now!

 

[Alex_P]

... the Twilight series minimizes the gore and fights, instead FOCUSING on the humanity of it.

Here is the quintessential humanity of a vampire story:

As a vampire, the most moral thing you can do with your life is to greet the sunrise with open arms.

This is really the defining attribute of the modern vampire-as-protagonist style of vampire fiction, as exemplified by the works of Rice or Rein-Hagen (lets face it, Vampire: the Masquerade is really the core of the genre). When done right, it's a very strong theme, one that speaks to the modern Westerner's deep uncertainty about his ultimate role in the world.

At its core is the idea that, no matter how seductive or fascinating the idea of vampirism may be, being a vampire fundamentally sucks.

This isn't what Twilight is about.

-- Alex

 

[Teh_Doomage]

Most romantic novels to me idolize the "perfect romance" which we all know, doesn't exist.

False hopes for a hopeless generation.

 

[Trivun]

Actually, when I'm bored I sometimes have ideas, usually good ones since that's the only time I have to actually think about said ideas. One recently was an idea for a TV series (it actually spawned from the new British drama Demons, about a group of demon-hunters in modern day London. Kind of a British Buffy, but with a male protagonist.), that sort of worked in the opposite way to Twilight. That is (note there are other plotlines for it than just the romantic one), there would be a romance between a human guy and a 300 year old vampire girl, and a major development of this would be that she turns him into a vampire (at his request) early in the series. The main theme of this, therefore, would be partly to explore ideas about teenage relationships and emotional situations, and would also deal with the theme of prejudice (since another plot would involve the persecution of half vampire/half human children, as experienced by the main characters when she becomes pregnant later in the series). I understand that this may be quite boring to most people reading this, but I feel that the themes explored aren't that different to Twilight, save for the gender reversal. The thing is, something like this would be able to complement something like Twilight in terms of the themes explored and character development.

 

[Evilbunny]

Because the actor playing Edward is hot. thats why, there just as shallow as men in that respect.

I don't believe that. Lindsay Lohan is a very attractive girl but how many guys in here saw Herbie: Fully Loaded or Georgia Rules?

 

[Bowl Full]

Because the actor playing Edward is hot. thats why, there just as shallow as men in that respect.

I don't believe that. Lindsay Lohan is a very attractive girl but how many guys in here saw Herbie: Fully Loaded or Georgia Rules?

I'm not a guy but uh.. While I was watching Georgia Rules, my brain was basically beaten with a stick with nails sticking out of it by what a whore of a character she played. Not to mention all of the lying was confusing.
I didn't know who did what so I just blamed the zebras.
Though, In many movies she has starred in, she's a whore in some way or another. Is this supposed to tell me about how she is in real life? :|

 

[Dr.Doctor]

Ugh...people whining about Twilight is now twice as annoying as the people who like it.

God. It's a pop culture thing, it will fade from our memories soon enough. Get over it.

 

[carter91]

Hey im a dude and i love twilight!!!

 

[Beffudled Sheep]

I was forced to watch twilight and it made me do something i haven't done since i was nine. It made me cry! It made me cry tears of pain and for some reason tears of humiliation. twilight took everything good about vampires and raped it. It then proceeded to slap it to death. I wish that my brain would suppress my memories of twilight... but unfortunately it has not. In my opinion twilight was an abomination and should not exist.

 

[MintyFreshBreathGuy]

Because there are supposedly good looking men that sparkle in the sunlight, and a girl that everyone wishes they were, who gets the "pretty" looking...thing... I can't quit call it a guy because it's a vampire. All I have to say is that I'm glad I don't understand why girls find Edward hot. Oh no you misunderstand, I'm REALLY happy I don't understand.

 

[Aura Guardian]

Hey im a dude and i love twilight!!!

Thank God I'm not the only guy who loved it.

 

[searanox]

Women like it because it's schlocky romantic bullshit with a strong moral undertone and it differs from the typical romantic comedy. Vampires are "exotic".

This, not coincidentally, also basically proves that 95% of women are stupid beyond belief.

 

[superbleeder12]

Tall, Dark, Handsome, Mysterious.

All of those things are what women like. simple

 

[Zer_]

Hey im a dude and i love twilight!!!

Get away! REPENT! REPENT!

*hissss!*

It's a horrible movie, I mean even for a romance movie... It's worse then that movie about the zombie lover.

 

[InifniteWit]

Hey im a dude and i love twilight!!!

Really? No you couldn't possibly like twilight that makes no sense at all.