CliffyB Thinks Used Games Are Bad, Sony is "Playing Us"
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is Wittle Cliffy B Upset that his precwous gears of war franchwise won't sell on the Xbone?
Boo-F*cking Who
is Wittle Cliffy B Upset that his precwous gears of war franchwise won't sell on the Xbone?
Boo-F*cking Who
They can't simply stop marketing if every other company continues to do so. That would be financial suicide. The problem is the marketing campaigns have grown to big for what they're selling.Lunar Templar said:
Ex. Dark Souls recently clocked over 2 million copies, and is considered a financial success because the marketing for it (which was not very much compared to other games) was the right amount.
Call of Duty can do the massive marketing campaigns because it can afford it.
Most games market themselves like Call of Duty, yet sell like Dark Souls. As such, they fail.
So while they need to sell themselves, they need to find ways to innovate and capture the attention of gamers without competing with CoD, because that is a battle they will not win.
I think CliffyB is a great developer with a lot of imagination and a love for what he does, but he is the undisputed champion of foot-in-mouth PR.
The poor sad sack doesn't even seem to understand that games don't have to be triple A titles costing the GDP of a small country to be worth playing. Either that or he does and he's just denying reality because he knows when the triple A market crashes he's likely to be one of the first to go. Either way he's talking out of his arse
200 is kinda a small development team these days. I remember reading that AC had thousands of people working on the project.AC10 said:
I am worried with so many corporations attitude of "throw more money at it will solve the problem" since there is proof that throwing more money and getting bigger budgets does not = more sales.
captcha: cop an attitude, yes I would say that CliffyB does have quite an attitude towards the consumer. Just not a positive one.
Okay let's do the math here: 60 X 3,000,000 = 180,000,000 Dollars. WHERE THE FUCK DO THESE GUYS SPEND ALL THAT MONEY ON!?!?!?! You can make a summer blockbuster with all that cash. Hey publishers, you wannna make profits, cut it out with the hyper realistic graphics, stop blowing millions on marketing campaigns, STOP MINDLESSLY FOLLOWING TRENDS AND COPYING THE POPULAR TITLES!!!! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR FAILURES!!! STOP BLAMING OTHERS FOR SOMETHING YOU DID!!! STOP IGNORING OR TREATING YOUR CONSUMERS LIKE RETARDED ANTS!!!!!! AND DO!! SOMETHING!! NEW!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Abomination said:
Then maybe Ubisoft needs to step their game up.GAunderrated said:
4A games managed to release Metro: Last Light and Metro 2033 with a team about as big as a cutscene team in other studios at about 10% of the budget while working in about the most horrific conditions in this technology sector. Their games are also some of the best looking games out there right now. Oh, they also developed their own proprietary engine in house.
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-14926-Metro--Last-Light-Devs-4A-Games-Endured-Horrific-Working-Conditions--Says-Ex-THQ-President.html
If Ubisoft is wasting money, I don't see why I should have to foot the bill.
Honestly, I hate that the industry is full of entitled idiots...
Makes me feel bad that game development is the closest thing I have to a career skill.
Cliffy, seriously. Get a clue.
Second-hand sales have been a part of life for products as far back as people have been making things.
If the development budget and marketing costs for game development are so high that you need to prevent second hand sales to make a profit...
then guess what? It's not second hand sales that are the problem, it's you.
Being a producer of something does not give you a free pass to demand whatever you like.
All this constant whining does is prove the point I've suspected for ages:
Copyright laws encourage monopolistic behaviour, and are fundamentally broken.
(But, unfortunately, good luck fixing that while maintaining a capitalist economy...)
Where else but a monopoly could you start making such insane demands that imply if your development costs exceed your income, it's your income that needs to go up, and not your expenses that need to go down? And then try and forcibly increase your profits using such anti-consumer methods?
This is only possible when both the laws and means of enforcement are completely out of balance...
Makes me feel bad that game development is the closest thing I have to a career skill.
Cliffy, seriously. Get a clue.
Second-hand sales have been a part of life for products as far back as people have been making things.
If the development budget and marketing costs for game development are so high that you need to prevent second hand sales to make a profit...
then guess what? It's not second hand sales that are the problem, it's you.
Being a producer of something does not give you a free pass to demand whatever you like.
All this constant whining does is prove the point I've suspected for ages:
Copyright laws encourage monopolistic behaviour, and are fundamentally broken.
(But, unfortunately, good luck fixing that while maintaining a capitalist economy...)
Where else but a monopoly could you start making such insane demands that imply if your development costs exceed your income, it's your income that needs to go up, and not your expenses that need to go down? And then try and forcibly increase your profits using such anti-consumer methods?
This is only possible when both the laws and means of enforcement are completely out of balance...
People are really not going to like this but Cliff B. is right. Production costs are high and companies are barely making their investments back if at all on new game sales. I think it goes without saying if all major devs and producers go the way of THQ, gamers won't be happy. What Microsoft is doing may not be popular, but it's necessary.
Damn it, you made soda come out my nose.tmande2nd said:
My stance on used games. I'll go into GameStop when i have time to kill and some cash (never have enough for a new "NEW" game). I rummage a bit to see what is in my price range and whatever peaks my interest I'll buy. Play it, if it stinks it'll collect dust. But, more often then not, I'll find a new series to collect or company to support. Then I'll pre-order or save up to get new games of said game series or company. (now looking at my games) Majority of my games are new...
Your consumer rights? How about the rights of a business to not being ripped off? If a developer and producer can't make money you can forget about new and awesome games. You have to remember developers and producers are in business to make money. It's not evil, taboo, or a sin to want to make a profit and be successful. Especially when you want to make an amazing game and get the talent and resources to make it.GSP66 said:
Come off your high horse, I am a consumer just like you. The difference is I seek to understand why a company does what it does. Not ***** and moan about it.
CrystalShadow said:
I think that consumer base of game industry is filled with entitled idiots.
Games 20 years ago were vastly cheaper to produce than today's Triple A titles, therefore used game sales didn't really have as much of an impact. The cost of production of one game has increased through the years with the development of technology. The industry is at a breaking point. They cannot live off of a loyal fan base alone. They need money (gasp).
Producers can ask what ever the hell they want for a game. They will spend 2 to 5 years making a game it is their right to ask what they want for it. Luckily for the entitled consumer there is a standard pricing system for games. Which is why collectors editions are put out for consumers. Think of it this way, you bake a bunch of a cookies to make money for yourself. Does it really serve your wants and needs to charge the same as or less than the cost of ingredients and materials alone?
Copyright laws don't encourage monopolies, they protect ideas and intellectual property. Besides you are not even remotely close to any monopolies in the game industry.