CliffyB Thinks Used Games Are Bad, Sony is "Playing Us"
- Thread starter Steven Bogos
- Start date
And I thin Cliffy B is a douche who's full of shit and haven't released a good game for YEARS. He also sucked MS dick for far too long to be credible in the matter.
I don't think it's as black and white as that.lacktheknack said:
It's not just you're AAA or you're indie. While I haven't been able to find budgets for either Dark Souls or XCOM, I would wager they're a lot less than your EA or Activision titles.
If Dark Souls can sell 2.4 million copies and turn a profit whereas Dead Space 3 needs to sell 5 million to be "viable" then there has to be at least a 50% difference in their budgets.
Unless EA has a very interesting definition for the word viable, and each game has to make 200% profit or something of that ilk.
edit: Ok I forgot to actually make my point.
If there's such a discrepancy in Budget can we still only have the Titles AAA or Indie, or do we need something in between.
I'm going to go on a bit of tangent here and say big budgets aren't the problem.
... nor is it used games and rentals.
The problem is Publishers/Developers incorrectly calculating the demand for their game and/or thinking if they spend more money on it more people will buy it.
Games can have massive budgets and still make profits even with used game sales. There just has to be a market for that game.
captcha: High Horse
Yes captcha, it is quite lonely up here
... nor is it used games and rentals.
The problem is Publishers/Developers incorrectly calculating the demand for their game and/or thinking if they spend more money on it more people will buy it.
Games can have massive budgets and still make profits even with used game sales. There just has to be a market for that game.
captcha: High Horse
Yes captcha, it is quite lonely up here
From the headline alone, is he just saying this before diving into a pool of Microsoft money Scrooge McDuck style?
Funny this statement comes from the guy who sells SUPER POPULAR GAME ENGINE that is branded TOTALLY AFFORDABLE, Even Indi-dev could come up with games that looked AAA (seen it happened BTW; I think this game engine is BEAST except net code). If ANYTHING... Cliffy should be on SONY's side and take stand on Xbone's bad Buz model.. treating consumers like their bitches... but then again... the game that was pumped out using the same THREE(trilogy) exact engine, having NOT added much new content (I meant properties; rebuilds).. that was sold to X360 as exclusive... (saved TONS of money on production) still sold like maad compared to Bulletstorm... Cliffy should REALLY not complain that much... look at GoW series, port, use fancier graphic renderor, add physics, few new monster, mod this, mod that... same game, different look.. Manatee for FMV sequences... game done... what 1000 people cost? maybe Ubi who didn't have UE2.5/3/3.5 to upgrade and port their games to recycle to looked not aging? yeah, Gears one is TOTALLY UE2.5,... don't lie... we already know...
I, for one, agree completely. We should get rid of these bloated budgets that force people to release Aliens: Colonial Marines or take even bigger losses.
"You cannot have game and marketing budgets this high while also having used and rental games existing,"
This has probably been said a million times already, but just cut the costs of marketing and production, then? Used games are used products that have been sold already, as in THEY DO NOT BELONG TO THE CREATORS ANYMORE. Why should they be so entitled as to get paid for the same product TWICE? Used games and rentals are not going away. It's the industry's job to adapt, not the consumer's.
This has probably been said a million times already, but just cut the costs of marketing and production, then? Used games are used products that have been sold already, as in THEY DO NOT BELONG TO THE CREATORS ANYMORE. Why should they be so entitled as to get paid for the same product TWICE? Used games and rentals are not going away. It's the industry's job to adapt, not the consumer's.
Who cares about his opinion...he's the creator of Gears of War....that automatically makes any of his opinions white noise.
I read some of the tweets either side of that one and his dogged defence of Microsoft is nothing short of embarrassing. The guy needs to get some self respect instead of sucking up to EA and MS on a daily basis.
I'll say what everyone else has been saying: the huge dev and marketing costs are YOUR fault. Not ours. Was the launching of a copy of ME 3 into space really necessary? Good games sell themselves - who has ever seen a billboard, tv ad or any kind of advertising space for minecraft? anyone? Yet somehow it managed 10,000,000 sales. Good games sell themselves.
I'll say what everyone else has been saying: the huge dev and marketing costs are YOUR fault. Not ours. Was the launching of a copy of ME 3 into space really necessary? Good games sell themselves - who has ever seen a billboard, tv ad or any kind of advertising space for minecraft? anyone? Yet somehow it managed 10,000,000 sales. Good games sell themselves.
I agree with you so hard that I had to quote your post just to let you know that.Kushan101 said:
Seriously, it's really frustrating that several things in the industry are being blamed on the consumers. It's also frustrating because, as Kushan said, Cliffy B will defend those practices (and MS and EA) to no end. Christ. Can't even put my frustration into words.
Amen to that. I'm already saving up for another 360, for when mine invariably kacks out. I've got an absolute arseload of 360 games, and I'm going to keep playing my 360 as long as is conceivably possible.Altorin said:my stance is, if a game can't be purchased used on the consoles, I'm not going to buy it.
I buy new games when something comes out that I know I'll love and I either don't want to wait for the prices to drop to the bottom (5 dollars is not enough incentive for me to buy used, when I buy used they're typically 20 dollar 5 year old games).
If a console game is going to lock itself to my console then I don't want it, new, or used. I'll just buy something else. Or nothing. I'm not such a wanker that I NEED MY VIDYA GAMES WAHUUUUUU.
No. If a publisher chooses to shut out the used market for their title on PS4, then I just won't buy that game. If it turns out he's right and Sony's "playing us" and straight lying, then I won't be buying a PS4. I'm freaking 28 years old, you can't just pull this shit anymore.
Nintendo seems to get it, and even if I just get a WiiU, and somehow between Microsoft and Sony they absolutely destroy the used game market, I'll go back to nintendo as my primary system, even if I do have to buy everything new. I'm not buying new from Microsoft or Sony just because of their bullshit marketting tactics. I'll buy new from Nintendo if I must buy new. Or I just won't.
I'll collect 360 games until I have every 360 game I could concievably want to play, and then I'll just call that a fucking day. I'm sick of this garbage.
oh, and cliffy.. bought all 3 gears new. jussayn. gears 3 was an impulse purchase at best buy when I was buying my laptop, and I liked it so much I bought the other 2. Not buying Judgement though. Maybe when its 20 dollars used
In an Xbone discussion the other night with some friends, I did a little bit of math. I counted up my 360 library, then I multiplied it by 59.99 (plus tax). 92 games at a $70 price point?
$6,439.08.
If I were to try to recreate my 360 library on the non-BC xbone (Which I'm 99% positive Microsoft will try to make me do), without the used game market Mr. "Waah! I can't afford a third solid gold swimming pool because you bought a game used!" is decrying, that's how much it would cost me.
So yeah.
Fuck that guy.