College Education Arms Race Bankrupting America
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I study languages.
I'm currently working on my B.A., but I'm going to need at least a Master's Degree to really do anything in my chosen field beyond simple translation work. Also, I wouldn't have an opportunity to develop the skills I'm learning right now if I weren't attending a University.
This argument doesn't necessarily hold up for as many professions as some people seem to think.
Oh, and before anyone says anything, there's a lot more actual work and a lot more money involved in this kind of work than "common sense" would have you believe.
I'm currently working on my B.A., but I'm going to need at least a Master's Degree to really do anything in my chosen field beyond simple translation work. Also, I wouldn't have an opportunity to develop the skills I'm learning right now if I weren't attending a University.
This argument doesn't necessarily hold up for as many professions as some people seem to think.
Oh, and before anyone says anything, there's a lot more actual work and a lot more money involved in this kind of work than "common sense" would have you believe.
Man, fuck blue. All running about with its greens and its purples hanging out. Plus, it's always rubbing it in our face how its so much better, using its stupid "data" and "graphs" about how people like it better. We all know that it's the bourgeois of the colors, unlike the glorious proletariats that are the Reds.kevintheshane said:
And I'd even agree with you, except that I know people - in fact, almost EVERYONE I know who's done University - are currently debt free or will be within five years (mortgage not included).xDarc said:
Hey HEY we don't talk about Season 5, that never happened. We all know the series ended after season 4. It wrapped up too perfectly to have a season 5. Season 5 would be silly. That never happened, no... Crusade...Bara_no_Hime said:
OT: I really fail to see the point of this inane rant. To me, it seems like the rant of someone who flunked out of college so now wants to belittle all those who attend college. Without any of people attending college, that information you are too lazy to find wouldn't even exist in the first place. I fail to see a problem with artists, nurses, or people in the serving industry.
Not everyone can do it, it's just not economically feasible. But everyone is expected to. (college)Smeagol150 said:
I am not bullshitting you when I say every 3rd person I meet in school has designs on some kind of nursing job. Good fucking luck with that, you'll be competing with million of others.
Hunh... someone road in on a high horse.
You know that education on all levels is a business right? and investment? Its made to make money, in the hopes that it stimulates the market. Its basically the governments gamble that you'll make yourself successful, thus spend more money.
So yeah. Also, if you want to tear into something like this, you should at least do research, cause if you as the OP dont care to, not alot of other people will.
You know that education on all levels is a business right? and investment? Its made to make money, in the hopes that it stimulates the market. Its basically the governments gamble that you'll make yourself successful, thus spend more money.
So yeah. Also, if you want to tear into something like this, you should at least do research, cause if you as the OP dont care to, not alot of other people will.
I just gotta disagree with one thing you are saying. And that is that you are portraying collages as money sucking "corporations" that take huge gains and give nothing back. That is very untrue. My father works as a professor at a slightly well known liberal arts collage, and money is tight. Even with endowments and higher tuitions, that money isn't just getting wasted. Collages arn't bad, nor do they suck away money, they are just like any educational system. Collage is important, sure not everyone needs a bachelors degree, but it certainly is an important part of our job structure.xDarc said:
Welcome to the age of specialization. As globalization and the advance of technology phase out all the 'least common denominator' jobs, the only ones left are those requiring a highly specialized (read: educated) skill-set. Sucks, but what are you gonna do, short of cry about it on the internet?
And it's not some big Machiavellian conspiracy. For-profit colleges are actually facing a lot of financial troubles right now, at least some of which is attributable to the rise in tech schools you mentioned.
And it's not some big Machiavellian conspiracy. For-profit colleges are actually facing a lot of financial troubles right now, at least some of which is attributable to the rise in tech schools you mentioned.
I always wonder where the money is going. No matter where I look I see businesses failing and nobody is successful, so where is the money going? I have no idea. : /
I agree about the cheap training centers, I mean in general people go to college to learn a very specific set of skills and end up wasting a lot of time and money that doesn't really contribute to anything except making more programs that people waste time and money on. I can't say for sure that people will end up using the skills they learn at such a center all their life, but if they have a job-change then at least they could just go to a different cheap training center and get focused.
Elementary, Middle and High school seem geared towards general education that people usually need to function, but a lot of what I'm seeing in college just isn't focused enough to really contribute to what people need to function at what they do. I dunno, maybe the colleges I've seen just suck.
I agree about the cheap training centers, I mean in general people go to college to learn a very specific set of skills and end up wasting a lot of time and money that doesn't really contribute to anything except making more programs that people waste time and money on. I can't say for sure that people will end up using the skills they learn at such a center all their life, but if they have a job-change then at least they could just go to a different cheap training center and get focused.
Elementary, Middle and High school seem geared towards general education that people usually need to function, but a lot of what I'm seeing in college just isn't focused enough to really contribute to what people need to function at what they do. I dunno, maybe the colleges I've seen just suck.
What are you talking about? Have you seen half the "serious" discussion threads they have on the escapists? We love research, thats why when someone posts something they say "happened" we usually like to have the source.xDarc said:
But fine, just asnwer me this. YOU dont care, why should WE (the posters)? You wonder why you didnt get posts at first.
Maybe you're not familiar with how debate works, but facts are usually an integral part of it, watch this:
90% of small businesses fail within one year of start-up. Most of these are sole proprietorship which means the owner of the business has unlimited liability. After the business goes bankrupt, you have to sell of all it's assets at depreciated values and hope you can scrape together enough money to pay back that evil greedy small-business loan.
After that you don't even have a $12/hr job to show for it.
Opening up a small business is a calculated risk. So is college. Yeah you may end up in a dead end job getting $12/hr, but if you actively spend your 4 years preparing for a career and don't dick off like a lot of college students, you may end up with more.
I think I understand what you're getting at here, but your original assertion that College Education is "Bankrupting America" doesn't hold much water.
90% of small businesses fail within one year of start-up. Most of these are sole proprietorship which means the owner of the business has unlimited liability. After the business goes bankrupt, you have to sell of all it's assets at depreciated values and hope you can scrape together enough money to pay back that evil greedy small-business loan.
After that you don't even have a $12/hr job to show for it.
Opening up a small business is a calculated risk. So is college. Yeah you may end up in a dead end job getting $12/hr, but if you actively spend your 4 years preparing for a career and don't dick off like a lot of college students, you may end up with more.
I think I understand what you're getting at here, but your original assertion that College Education is "Bankrupting America" doesn't hold much water.