Different art different art forms, obliviously those against this are to childish to see beyond petty things.
Concentration Camp Game Canceled Due to Backlash
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If it's off-limits to film, it's off-limits to video games. The best way to conquer pain is to experience it, in controlled doses, until defenses are developed to nullify pain.Scott Bullock said:
Why the developer halted production and/or release of the game is absurd. Do they have shareholders who would pull funding for... a mod??? ... for Wolfenstein 3-D??? Wolfenstein 3-D was not art. Not every video game can be or will be art. Some video games are a form of interactive entertainment. just because it has only 256 colors and pixels doesn't make it art. It may be educational, entertaining, or enlightening, but not necessarily art.
What a disgusting, horrible idea for a game. Dear God - how could they possibly have thought this would go down well?
Yes, the Holocaust was a true horror, a giant black mark on the history of humankind. It should not be forgotten, nor should anyone not realize its significance, not just to the Jewish people but to the entire world. That said, nothing should be considered off-limits to gaming. If a movie can be made about it, so can a game. Deal with it.
THAT IS BULLSHIT!
Fuck everyone who gets offended at a fcking game. Shit. No one, or almostno one, is fcking alive from those camps anymore. It's history. Get over it.
It was the msot interesting premise for a game of hte year.
Damnit.
Fuck everyone who gets offended at a fcking game. Shit. No one, or almostno one, is fcking alive from those camps anymore. It's history. Get over it.
It was the msot interesting premise for a game of hte year.
Damnit.
While theres potential for a game based around the event, it needs to be done in a tastefull manner. This was not the way to do it.
That said it doesnt look worth the effort to ban. A modern mindless shooter doing it perhaps.
If you're going to cover a sensitive historical event then do it sensitively, especially in a medium thats not got out of the get attacked at every turn stage. If you dont then you'll make the suituation worse not better.
That said it doesnt look worth the effort to ban. A modern mindless shooter doing it perhaps.
If you're going to cover a sensitive historical event then do it sensitively, especially in a medium thats not got out of the get attacked at every turn stage. If you dont then you'll make the suituation worse not better.
Umm... fuck that. Seriously not to trivialize the holocaust but I don't see why people act like it was the worst genocide in history. It wasn't. And the fact that Israel still uses it as a get-out-of-jail-free card all the time just pisses me off. They should be glad Germany actually admits that the Holocaust happened. The Chinese still deny the Tiananmen Square Massacre. The Turks still deny the Armenian Genocide right before WWI. More people died by the hand of Josef Stalin's Holodomor than people in the Holocaust. People, not just Jews. Genocide is never okay, but the fact that people act like it was the worst thing to ever happen in history is just fueling the fire.
If this hadn't been a seemingly boring wolfenstein mod I'd be really angry.
Since it was though, I'm only sort of annoyed with those PC-dicks.
Edit: Hey, guys, what do you think would happen to campers in a game like this?
Edit2: Hell, I think a game about a concentration camp uprising could be very interesting, and might have a very good story, but one would need a proper budget to realize it, I think.
Edit3: Truly, it baffles me that the developers backed out off this one. Surely they must have anticipated the backlash?
Since it was though, I'm only sort of annoyed with those PC-dicks.
Edit: Hey, guys, what do you think would happen to campers in a game like this?
Edit2: Hell, I think a game about a concentration camp uprising could be very interesting, and might have a very good story, but one would need a proper budget to realize it, I think.
Edit3: Truly, it baffles me that the developers backed out off this one. Surely they must have anticipated the backlash?
And yet no one seemed to have any problems with a German developer releasing a space sim series with the explorative freedom of a concentration camp...
The thing is, it wasn't really banned, the creator just cancelled it due to the reaction. I'd like to see a tasteful Holocaust game though, maybe one with stealth mechanics where you have to steal things when soldiers aren't looking and hide them somewhere they won't find them. Also, unlike other games where as you play through you become stronger, in this game the longer you play the weaker your chracter is.Kurokami said:
As much as I would try to defend "games as art," I'm glad this game didn't make it. It's clearly in bad taste.
I would love to play a straight-up simulation of the Jewish Holocaust experience. You're a craftsman with a family. You play a family/business management sim (farmville meets Sims) for the first two hours.
Then the nazis attack. You spend the first act of the game running from them. You're trying to find where to hide, who to trust, what to sacrifice to remain free. Imagine the opening scene to Inglorious Basterds, from the perspective of the people under the floor.
You get captured. You're taken to Auschwitz. Your children are put in a separate camp. You're forced through the daily tedium of moving stone-piles back and forth to break your spirit. Your character gets gradually more emaciated as starvation sets in--this affects everything from your movement speed, to the state of in-game menus.
Eventually you get a Sophie's-Choice-style moment. Get your family out, at the cost of your own life, or join in the mass camp uprising. One leads you to watch as your whole family is gassed. The other leads to you being lined up against a wall and shot.
Something properly bleak and depressing that has something it wants to say, rather than just "did you know Auschwitz was a thing? Let's put a game there!"
Then the nazis attack. You spend the first act of the game running from them. You're trying to find where to hide, who to trust, what to sacrifice to remain free. Imagine the opening scene to Inglorious Basterds, from the perspective of the people under the floor.
You get captured. You're taken to Auschwitz. Your children are put in a separate camp. You're forced through the daily tedium of moving stone-piles back and forth to break your spirit. Your character gets gradually more emaciated as starvation sets in--this affects everything from your movement speed, to the state of in-game menus.
Eventually you get a Sophie's-Choice-style moment. Get your family out, at the cost of your own life, or join in the mass camp uprising. One leads you to watch as your whole family is gassed. The other leads to you being lined up against a wall and shot.
Something properly bleak and depressing that has something it wants to say, rather than just "did you know Auschwitz was a thing? Let's put a game there!"
poiumty said:
Reported. i have seen some completely intolerant comments in my days, but this... just, reported.
OT: Good. I hope this game never gets made. And to all those thinking that this is just like "The only escape is imagination", i would disagree with you. Whereas TOEII was meant to teach people about the true horrors of the holocaust, this is just mearly exploitation at the cost of the lives of those who died at auschwitz. Report me if you will, but i'm serious.
So they thought the best way to keep the memory of persecution sacred would be to discriminate against gaming as a medium? I suppose that makes perfect sense, there's just nothing like suppressing freedom of expression to commemorate human rights violations.
And good job on not defaming gaming, Anti-Defamation-League!
And it's certainly not like you should concern yourself more with that similar game where you play for the other team [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KZ_Manager]. Let's take down the resistance one instead!
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No subject is ever off-limits for anyone. The very enema of defamation is free debate.
And good job on not defaming gaming, Anti-Defamation-League!
And it's certainly not like you should concern yourself more with that similar game where you play for the other team [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KZ_Manager]. Let's take down the resistance one instead!
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No subject is ever off-limits for anyone. The very enema of defamation is free debate.
That is NOT the thing to say when trying to say "our concentration camp game is not offensive"
I don't believe in censorship, but this shouldn't be made, it doesn't look like it handles the material with the taste or maturity it deserves.
Their statement that it's "off-limits" is nuts, but do you really thing the game treats the issue with the taste and maturity it deserves?Imperator_DK said:
I don't. It's not off limits, but it needs to be carefully and properly portrayed.