Consoles Are a "Massive Barrier" for Crysis 3 Development

[zehydra]

Don't really care, wasn't planning on getting it anyway. My understanding is that the Crysis series is known not for its qualities as a game, but on the fact that it has been benchmarks for graphical power.

 

[Erttheking]

Welp, Crytek, that's your own doing. The sad reality is that even if the game came out for next gen consoles with far fewer restrictions, the game would in all likelihood still be the sluggish, neutered mess that 2 was.

doesn't crysis make even medium range PCs weep tears of unholy blood as it's majesty is not meant to be played on anything but the most angelic top of the range builds?

No, it never did. And your grandma's laptop is anything but a medium range PC.

A good carpenter doesn't blame his tools.

Good thing we aren't talking about carpenting, then.

Oh great, an chance for everyone to say how much consoles suck. This is gonna suck, I can tell.

The console hardware sucks. I really hope you're not taking it personally.

No, I'm just a little tired of elitism. See my "do gamers have a bit of an ego" thread for more.

 

[Erttheking]

Oh great, an chance for everyone to say how much consoles suck. This is gonna suck, I can tell.

Console hardware sucks all the dicks.

I'm not going to say otherwise just because it might bruise your ego.

Bruise my ego? I'm just tired of not being able to click on a single PC/Console thread on this bloody website without getting ten different posts dedicated to how much cock consoles suck, I'm not going to apologize for being sick of it.

 

[Erttheking]

Oh great, an chance for everyone to say how much consoles suck. This is gonna suck, I can tell.

Console hardware sucks all the dicks.

I'm not going to say otherwise just because it might bruise your ego.

Bruise my ego? I'm just tired of not being able to click on a single PC/Console thread on this bloody website without getting ten different posts dedicated to how much cock consoles suck, I'm not going to apologize for being sick of it.

Well then, why, exactly, are you so sick of people telling the truth?

No, I'm sick of PC elitists going on and on about how superior their gaming platform is to everything else. If you prefer the PC than fine, but for pete's sake every time individual game platforms are discussed we can never seem to avoid this and I'm freaking tired of it,

 

[kburns10]

Sheesh, if it was that much trouble, why not make this PC exclusive? The first one was and I'm just now playing it on my Xbox. The newer consoles are around the corner, save time and effort for those.

 

[Erttheking]

No, I'm just a little tired of elitism. See my "do gamers have a bit of an ego" thread for more.

Oh, it's you!

When people talk about elitism as their hardware is being shit on, I have quite the feeling they're taking it personally. Nobody's acting like they're better than you for preferring PC, but the fact that the console hardware sucks and is a massive (con)strain on developers is just that - a fact, and people aren't too happy with consoles being the target of the vast majority of AAA games still.

Well, I'm tired of most games being shoved on consoles. It has nothing to do with you, or my ego.

Not a great way to start.

I wouldn't mind but people just go on and on and on and ON about it. You can never bring up the type of platform on this website without anyone ever going on how awesome PCs are and how consoles are crap in just about every field. It's like how most people react to Skyrim, ME3 ending and MLP threads, I'm just sick of them.

So what, are you saying everything should be shoved onto PC? (points to avatar) because I think we remember that always doesn't work that well either. Also, most games being shoved onto consoles? Unless this chart is lying, PCs still have the most exclusives. http://i.imgur.com/iTZtG.jpg If that's your problem with all due respect I think you're being over dramatic.

 

[MegaManOfNumbers]

Bait for PC elitists to wank off over how "better" the PC is to consoles?

Oh no. NOT AGAIN.

 

[MegaManOfNumbers]

Sheesh, if it was that much trouble, why not make this PC exclusive? The first one was and I'm just now playing it on my Xbox. The newer consoles are around the corner, save time and effort for those.

It has to do with maximizing profit. And the next-gen Xbox/PS4 is still just speculation at this point.

 

[Luca72]

I didn't think I was a PC elitist. Then I saw this article and had to resist the urge to scream "VINDICATION!" at the top of my lungs.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Then don't release on consoles.

Oh wait...the money, of course. Silly me.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

I remember a time when being able to run Crysis on high was considered a mark of pride.

Now the Crysis series is considered another 'generic' shooter.

Crytek, just make make the bloody thing PC exclusive and wait for the next gen. Not only will you wow the consumer and generate interest in the Xbox 720 but you will also once again have a major unique selling point beyond the setting.

And in this age of COD and Battlefield sequels anything that makes you stand out from the herd is a good thing (just ask MOH: Warfighter why).

 

[Erttheking]

No, I'm just a little tired of elitism. See my "do gamers have a bit of an ego" thread for more.

Oh, it's you!

When people talk about elitism as their hardware is being shit on, I have quite the feeling they're taking it personally. Nobody's acting like they're better than you for preferring PC, but the fact that the console hardware sucks and is a massive (con)strain on developers is just that - a fact, and people aren't too happy with consoles being the target of the vast majority of AAA games still.

Well, I'm tired of most games being shoved on consoles. It has nothing to do with you, or my ego.

Not a great way to start.

I wouldn't mind but people just go on and on and on and ON about it. You can never bring up the type of platform on this website without anyone ever going on how awesome PCs are and how consoles are crap in just about every field. It's like how most people react to Skyrim, ME3 ending and MLP threads, I'm just sick of them.

So what, are you saying everything should be shoved onto PC? (points to avatar) because I think we remember that always doesn't work that well either. Also, most games being shoved onto consoles? Unless this chart is lying, PCs still have the most exclusives. http://i.imgur.com/iTZtG.jpg If that's your problem with all due respect I think you're being over dramatic.

Why? I simply didn't notice it was you because of the change in avatar.

The reason people go on and on about is because nothing's changed. And the more time passes, the more frustrating it is to see nothing change. And actually, you can easily do that. You just:
A) Don't instantly start complaining about PC elitism without being able to clearly define it or establish its existence;
B) Don't pretend like consoles are, as some people think, the best we'll ever need or even get;
C) Don't propagate insane stereotypes and massive misconceptions.
I'm pretty sure you'd be just fine. I certainly don't have a problem with the actual people playing on consoles, and I'm pretty certain that's the case with most others.

The consoles are crap, and it sounds to me like you simply want to ignore it. Welp, sorry, you're on a gaming forum. Things get talked about here, and it just so happens that consoles suck hard enough for there not to be much room for actual discussion.

Nope. Dark Souls is a curious reference, namely because it's a port the devs did not give a shit about. Seriously hope you're not saying a shitty-ass port proves something about PCs not being a viable platform.

The chart isn't lying per se, but it's disingenuous as all hell to imply the focus of all the big publishers and developers isn't set dead on the consoles. Which is what I would think is relevant when we're talking Crytek. I utter the term AAA only several words before "most games", it's not that hard to make that connection.

Ah, ok.

I'm sorry but with all of this chatter going on and on about how consoles are so inferior with hyperbole about it being bronze age tech being thrown around, it comes off as elitism for me.

Hate to break it to you, but a console IS all I'll ever need. I'm very content without a PC. I never said that they are the best, but I'm getting a little tired of being criticized for settling for less than perfection.

The funny thing about stereotypes is that they exist for a reason, because sometimes they're true. Like I said one person on this thread compared consoles to bronze age tech...if that's not elitism I don't know what is.

So are you saying that developers care about ports like Crysis 2? Because if they did I don't see what the problem is, and if they didn't then really it goes both ways and it's not really just PC games that are getting ruined, that's what I was trying to say.

I think it's safe to say that PC gaming has quite a few big exclusives with things like Starcraft, Torchlight Total War, and a few of the things Valve churned out, besides it's not like PC gaming completely gets the shaft. From what I understand of the games industry a lot of these games, like Bethesda games, get developed for consoles and then ported to the PC. If you had it really bad, you never would've gotten those ports, and really what's so bad about cross platform games?

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

Glass-Completely-Full type person, are we?

He did say they had to completely take apart and re-assemble the engine. This is different to what was done with Crysis 2, i.e. development was based on consoles and THEN it was ported to PC's in DX9, later offering higher-resolution textures and DX11 layered on top of everything.

This time we have a game built on DX11 from ground-up, NOT a DX9 port. I can confirm this because I played C3 Alpha and without a DX11 card (and OS) the game wouldn't even install.


If you want to see my glass-completely-empty side then lets get into Multiplayer/Community discussion. I dunno if you are familiar with C2 multiplayer, but let me sum it up:
1) Anti cheat support from Crytek = non-existent, basically hacker haven on public servers. Hackers can also troll in the OFFICIAL forums (MyCrysis.com) all day long without consequence, nobody's there to stop them.
2) ~150 critical game-breaking bugs left un-fixed forever - Patch 1.9 was officially the last Crysis 2 patch, this was in July 2011 when Crytek confirmed there would be no more patches/fixes. They weren't kidding.
3) ZERO communication with the community since July 2011. There is ONE administrator on MyCrysis forums who checks once a week to throw out a thread lock or something, ignoring the hacker spam.
4) Terrible server tools/support for admins, made it borderline impossible to know what was happening on your own server that you owned.

The situation got so desperate that the community formed the |C3CG| clan (Crysis 3 Community Group) aimed at taking server administration and multiplayer into their own hands from the very beginning in Crysis 3 so Crytek can't fuck it up all over again.

To us multiplayer junkies Crysis 3 is nothing more than an attempt to fix all the fuck-ups Crytek made with Crysis 2 (though I don't know if you can label "ignore community forever" as a fuck-up). But I seriously doubt that 6 months down the road we'll ever hear from Crytek again in the Community, not until they announce Crysis 4 or something.

 

[Savryc]

As much as I'd hate to agree with the frothy mouthed PC bunch if you're going to ditch your home platform for teh moniez you can't really blame the outdated tech. You chose to work on consoles that are approaching the end of their cycle, suck it up or go back home.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Yeah, the console is less powerful then a PC. You know what else is less powerful then the average PC you build for? Most PC in the world. These guys engineer for the high end user. I'm surprised that they even bother for Console development I would think making the engine run on lesser hardware might have also been a viable option. Maybe both if they rebuilt the thing and didn't make too many console exclusive tweaks.

Yeah, it sucks to have to rebuild your engine but that's in your programming department's job description, so there isn't much to say.

 

[algalon]

Why is Crytek even worried about the console crowd? Anyone who plays solely on consoles shouldn't expect to see a Crytek game run and run well on dated hardware. I play both PC and console and am willing to admit to this. I have never played Crysis because I find myself constantly short on funds to build a computer capable of running it, and by the time I have a new computer I'd have lost all interest. When I'm making 100k+ a year, first I'm getting a new house, then maybe a Falcon NW, in that order. It is at this point that I'll even consider playing anything from Crytek. But until then I'm perfectly content with my WoW and Assassin's Creed 3.

 

[ResonanceSD]

I'm surprised that they even bother for Console development I would think making the engine run on lesser hardware might have also been a viable option.

It's CRYTEK for god's sake, to run Crysis properly at launch you needed hardware that hadn't been invented yet. Why aren't they sticking to that? Oh yeah, greed.

 

[Lunar Templar]

and ...?

so lemme see if i'm under standing this.

these guys go from making a PC exclusive FPS (know for the inhumane treatment of processors)

to the less powerful consoles, KNOWING FULL WELL, they consoles lack the power of said high end PCs.

and know they're whining about it and calling it a massive barrier? I'm just over flowing with sympathy for their plight [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M]

 

[Nikolaz72]

No, I'm just a little tired of elitism. See my "do gamers have a bit of an ego" thread for more.

Oh, it's you!

When people talk about elitism as their hardware is being shit on, I have quite the feeling they're taking it personally. Nobody's acting like they're better than you for preferring PC, but the fact that the console hardware sucks and is a massive (con)strain on developers is just that - a fact, and people aren't too happy with consoles being the target of the vast majority of AAA games still.

Well, I'm tired of most games being shoved on consoles. It has nothing to do with you, or my ego.

Not a great way to start.

I wouldn't mind but people just go on and on and on and ON about it. You can never bring up the type of platform on this website without anyone ever going on how awesome PCs are and how consoles are crap in just about every field. It's like how most people react to Skyrim, ME3 ending and MLP threads, I'm just sick of them.

So what, are you saying everything should be shoved onto PC? (points to avatar) because I think we remember that always doesn't work that well either. Also, most games being shoved onto consoles? Unless this chart is lying, PCs still have the most exclusives. http://i.imgur.com/iTZtG.jpg If that's your problem with all due respect I think you're being over dramatic.

A guy who used two weeks made a mod which made me enjoy Dark Souls far more than I ever enjoyed Skyrim. Wanna know how?

First we have a few things I didnt really find that important...

60 FPS.
High Res.

but most of all. something SO SIMPLE you'd think the developer would have implemented it.

an option to hide the mouse cursor. I mean seriously, seriously. Nobody in there thought of this. Nobody at their company thought, that many. Just 'maybe' people would find it a tad bit annoying to have to look at the windows mouse cursor while in game. And its just 'one' line of code that changed it. I could have downloaded a 50kb utility program from microsoft to do it, and im a user not a programmer.

Dark souls was indeed a mess, but I dont blame the game for that. I blame the developers, and the developers 'can' be forgiven as they opened it up to modding. And modding fixed it up pretty good. Im still mad that they decided to charge full price for what was essentialy an unifinished game. That tends to be frowned upon but the hordes of console-players were ready to give it a free pass as the game wasnt unfinished on their console of choice.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Yep, it's one of the these threads again.

Last time I jumped in, I had to sort through my inbox for a day and a half because apparently being unable to build my own computer from scratch with no prior ability to do so makes me a screaming retard that is a cancerous growth on the gaming industry. And do it for less than $500.

Sounds about right, yes.

How hard can it be to find a few websites that sell components, stick them in your basket, and when they arrive, slot them in the only places they will fit?
In all my years building PCs, the only problems I've had is when mainboards first started using that extra lead from the PSU. Thing wouldn't start and I was all like "What the deuce?" and then I was all like "Of course!" and then no more tears.

Only dreams now.