Exactly, she looks like a cross between a Phoenix Wright prosecutor and an Advance Wars commander. Because she is a prosecutor. And cute. And her uniform looks kind of a military officer. It's not that far-fetched, really.DrunkenElfMage said:I can see it. It probably doesn't help that her uniform has really exaggerated lines, making it look rather cartoonish. Reminds me a lot of Phoenix Wright.
Also, young attractive woman in a position of high authority? IN a relativelly small country that could be considered the underdog in a giant conflict? She already sounds like she is a character in an Anime.
Don't know how I feel about the fanart. In one way its inappropriate, in another, it clearly characterizes a situation that some people may or may not have a full grasp of. In a way, it changes the situation into clearer narrative, changing one of the random politicians involved into someone that people have empathy for.
In any case, I kind of find it fascinating.
Those are some serious acusations you have there. Btw is being a prosecutor something inherently bad? I'll have to tell a friend of mine inmediatelySleekit said:i dunno what to think...how does this fit in with this sites "feminism" ?...she's a despot...and a 12 veteran of a public prosecutor...but ye still a despot...none of which is "cute"...
/facepalm
"young" is a relative term just being in her 30's doesn't preclude her from being assigned the descriptor in some cases. Though in this case she is actually older than the writer of the article.Eamar said:She's also in her mid-thirties. Surely you see how repeatedly describing her as a "young lady" is needlessly patronising?
That wasn't my point. My point is a woman in a position of power tends to be labeled a bunch of things and people overlook what she has to say.DrOswald said:I would not say that. In fact, I had no idea this person even existed before this article. Now that I know that this person actually exists and is apparently near the center of this what has been going down I am interested in her position in this conflict. Even as I comment in this thread I am reading up on what this woman is really saying.PirateRose said:I'm not sure what's worse. Being a woman in a position of power & being called cold, bossy, and bitchy. OR being a woman in a position of power & being called adorable, kawaii, and drawn into someone's fantasy, furry fetish.
Either way, what that woman is really saying, good or bad, is getting mostly ignored, dismissed, and not taken seriously in the slightest.
It is possible to find someone attractive on a physical level and still take them seriously.
Those are still very serious accusations to be leveling against a person. I mean, she was the 5th choice for the spot. That doesn't exactly scream "highly trusted and influential" to me. How much power does she really have in this situation? She might be someone in over their head trying to keep away from the gallows. Or she might be Hitler MK II. Or anywhere in between. Hell, for all we know she is trying to take down the establishment from the inside. We really don't know enough about her to make the call.Sonichu said:Abducted Activists "Tortured" by Crimean ForcesQvar said:Those are some serious acusations you have there. Btw is being a prosecutor something inherently bad? I'll have to tell a friend of mine inmediately
http://iwpr.net/report-news/abducted-activists-tortured-crimean-forces]
Crimean Tatar Community Mourns Death Of Tortured Local Activist
http://www.rferl.org/content/crimea-tatar-killing-ukraine-russia-annexation-minority/25301602.html
While I'd argue that her relative youth is irrelevant, it's not the word "young" itself that irks me, it's the phrase "young lady." As has already been pointed out, "young lady" is a phrase used for kids more than adults. Many women would feel patronised if someone described them that way. Plus, as I mentioned, the word "lady" can be a bit controversial on its own. If he absolutely had to mention her age, "young woman" would have preferable.wulf3n said:"young" is a relative term just being in her 30's doesn't preclude her from being assigned the descriptor in some cases. Though in this case she is actually older than the writer of the article.Eamar said:She's also in her mid-thirties. Surely you see how repeatedly describing her as a "young lady" is needlessly patronising?
One would hope that someone writing a news story (even though I'm using "news" in the loosest possible sense here) would do some basic research. Particularly given that this woman is a prominent figure in one of the biggest current news stories in the world.In his defense she looks she's in high school.
Right, excuse me while I throw shit at my own unstable-country-prosecutor's failures to mantain order.Sonichu said:http://iwpr.net/report-news/abducted-activists-tortured-crimean-forcesQvar said:Those are some serious acusations you have there. Btw is being a prosecutor something inherently bad? I'll have to tell a friend of mine inmediately
http://www.rferl.org/content/crimea-tatar-killing-ukraine-russia-annexation-minority/25301602.html
http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21599407-some-crimeans-welcome-annexation-violence-not-far-surface-hugs-and-thugs
?The disappearance and murder of Reshat Ametov illustrates the climate of lawlessness that has been pervasive in Crimea over the last week,? said Rachel Denber, deputy Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch.
I think this is your own interpretation of the phrase "young lady" coming into play more than anything. To me "young woman" sounds far more patronizing. But that is because it is what my parents said to my sisters when they were in trouble.Eamar said:While I'd argue that her relative youth is irrelevant, it's not the word "young" itself that irks me, it's the phrase "young lady." As has already been pointed out, "young lady" is a phrase used for kids more than adults. Many women would feel patronised if someone described them that way. Plus, as I mentioned, the word "lady" can be a bit controversial on its own. If he absolutely had to mention her age, "young woman" would have preferable.wulf3n said:"young" is a relative term just being in her 30's doesn't preclude her from being assigned the descriptor in some cases. Though in this case she is actually older than the writer of the article.Eamar said:She's also in her mid-thirties. Surely you see how repeatedly describing her as a "young lady" is needlessly patronising?
To each their own I guess. To me "woman" is more patronizing than "lady", as Lady infers a modicum of respect, where as woman is so basic it simply acknowledges the person exists, but does little else.Eamar said:While I'd argue that her relative youth is irrelevant, it's not the word "young" itself that irks me, it's the phrase "young lady." As has already been pointed out, "young lady" is a phrase used for kids more than adults. Many women would feel patronised if someone described them that way. Plus, as I mentioned, the word "lady" can be a bit controversial on its own. If he absolutely had to mention her age, "young woman" would have preferable.
I've come to not expect much in the way of actual journalism out of these "news" stories.Eamar said:One would hope that someone writing a news story (even though I'm using "news" in the loosest possible sense here) would do some basic research. Particularly given that this woman is a prominent figure in one of the biggest current news stories in the world.
With respect, I'd say that as a woman I might be in a slightly better position to judge. And besides, it's not like I'm the only one to bring it up, there have been quite a few people mentioning it.DrOswald said:I think you might be reading the connotations a bit heavily here, especially when plenty of people seem to completely disagree with your interpretation
I actually said I thought her age was irrelevant. The really preferable thing to have said would have been just "woman."and in at least one opinion (mine) what you say would have been preferable ("young woman") would have been much worse.
Indeed you do. Look, I'm not getting properly offended by the wording or anything, but these words and phrases undeniably do have some baggage, to the extent that the AP Stylebook (basically the style Bible for the American press) says:You have to be careful with connotations.
Now admittedly the Escapist isn't exactly a broadsheet newspaper, but the point is the idea that "lady" isn't really appropriate in a news story and in this context isn't just some new idea that a few over-zealous forum dwellers are jumping on."lady: Do not use as a synonym for women. Lady may be used when it is a courtesy title or when a specific reference to fine manners is appropriate without patronizing overtones."
Interesting... do you feel the same way about "man"? Genuinely interested, because I (and plenty of other women, though plenty do also disagree) can't stand the word "lady" precisely because of the whole extra respect/politeness thing. It harks back to the days when women were considered more dainty and delicate and requiring of extra special manners than men. "Woman" may be basic, but it's exactly what I am, no added implications or social connotations. I don't see the need for a word to add any more - surely that would come from the rest of the article or conversation?wulf3n said:To each their own I guess. To me "woman" is more patronizing than "lady", as Lady infers a modicum of respect, where as woman is so basic it simply acknowledges the person exists, but does little else.
First of all, the "young" part is entirely relevent - it is half the reason she is getting so much attention, and reporting on that attention is the intention of this article. So it would be strange, and bad reporting in my eyes, to not mention the fact that she is unusually young for the position.Eamar said:With respect, I'd say that as a woman I might be in a slightly better position to judge. And besides, it's not like I'm the only one to bring it up, there have been quite a few people mentioning it.DrOswald said:I think you might be reading the connotations a bit heavily here, especially when plenty of people seem to completely disagree with your interpretation
I actually said I thought her age was irrelevant. The really preferable thing to have said would have been just "woman."and in at least one opinion (mine) what you say would have been preferable ("young woman") would have been much worse.
Indeed you do. Look, I'm not getting properly offended by the wording or anything, but these words and phrases undeniably do have some baggage, to the extent that the AP Stylebook (basically the style Bible for the American press) says:You have to be careful with connotations.Now admittedly the Escapist isn't exactly a broadsheet newspaper, but the point is the idea that "lady" isn't really appropriate in a news story and in this context isn't just some new idea that a few over-zealous forum dwellers are jumping on."lady: Do not use as a synonym for women. Lady may be used when it is a courtesy title or when a specific reference to fine manners is appropriate without patronizing overtones."
Perhaps my expectations are getting too high - it just felt unprofessional to me.
I do prefer the term gentleman over man, but I don't necessarily see it as disrespectful to be called man, just that being called gentleman shows some level of respect. Same goes with woman and lady.Eamar said:Interesting... do you feel the same way about "man"? Genuinely interested, because I (and plenty of other women, though plenty do also disagree) can't stand the word "lady" precisely because of the whole extra respect/politeness thing.
I can understand where you're coming from regarding what constituted a lady in the days of old, and how those "values" are no longer relevant in modern society. I suppose I just ignore that part and see the word as the polite way to refer to a woman you don't know the name of.Eamar said:It harks back to the days when women were considered more dainty and delicate and requiring of extra special manners than men. "Woman" may be basic, but it's exactly what I am, no added implications or social connotations. I don't see the need for a word to add any more - surely that would come from the rest of the article or conversation?
But "woman" does have implications and social connotations. It's always "Woman, get me a sandwich!" and "Women belong in the kitchen!". Many have argued that the very construction of the word itself is sexist, implying that with out a man a woman is not complete. And yet I can completely see your point - the very respect of the term "lady" could be seen as special treatment and therefore patronizing. It is a bit of a minefield.Eamar said:Interesting... do you feel the same way about "man"? Genuinely interested, because I (and plenty of other women, though plenty do also disagree) can't stand the word "lady" precisely because of the whole extra respect/politeness thing. It harks back to the days when women were considered more dainty and delicate and requiring of extra special manners than men. "Woman" may be basic, but it's exactly what I am, no added implications or social connotations. I don't see the need for a word to add any more - surely that would come from the rest of the article or conversation?wulf3n said:To each their own I guess. To me "woman" is more patronizing than "lady", as Lady infers a modicum of respect, where as woman is so basic it simply acknowledges the person exists, but does little else.