Critical Heights

[Maze1125]

play on pc

play on consoles with exclusive titles, cost less, have reasonable controls and have a bajillion people online

im good,

if anyone can make me a VALID pc argument i am all for it, until then
a gaming pc is the worst f*** investment i have ever heard of

a) PC has hundreds of exclusive games. Ever played FTL? Diablo 3? And those are hardly the only ones. The PC has more exclusives than any console that's ever existed, you just don't hear about them because no-one's paid for them to be exclusive, and so no-one's desperately advertising "Look, we paid for this game and so now we need you all to buy it so as to justify our expense!!!".

b)(i) Every PC game costs less than its console equivalent, and that's just the AAA titles. The independent games (most of which you can't get on consoles at all) often cost less than $10 at release.
b)(ii) Yes a PC itself can be quite costly, but irrelevant as pretty much everyone has one already and a lot of games will happily play on a household desktop. Sure, you won't have the best graphics ever, but graphics aren't everything.
PC you already have + games $50.

c) Controls are a matter of what you're used to, but that doesn't let the PC down, as you can just plug a wired X-Box controller into a USB port and you've got the exact same control scheme as a console.

d) Lots of PC games have enough people on-line to get a game instantly no matter the time of day. Sure, not every one has, but then neither does every console game.

 

[bafrali]

snip

Lets be honest here. You seem to have made up your mind and just come off as the kid who taunts people to feel better about himself. "My toy is better than yours and your toy is stupid because i like mine better". How does that makes sense again?

 

[Maze1125]

well lets respond in order
GOOD exclusives, there is a reason i have been sticking and standing up with Nintendo even with their occasional disregard of common sense for the common cent. they understand how game design works. there games are fun
sure the pc has exclusives but there has never been exclusive that made want to gaming rig my pc none, all my favorite games are console games for damn good reason, they are fantastic and they don't need to be on a expensive might i add

How many PC games have you played out of the tens of thousands that exist?
If you only look for console games and then go "Look, the only good games I've seen are on consoles!" isn't that a rather self fulfilling prophesy?

pc. especially if you want a good gaming rig, which from what i have heard costs more than all 3 of my consoles and my handheld combined.

I already addressed that point. Do you not have a PC at home? If you do, it can almost certainly run a good number of games out there. Probably not the AAA games you're thinking of, but if you constrain yourself to just those then you're already doing yourself a disservice.

if i wanna play something with an Xbox controller i will play my Xbox , i was playing this halo 4 thing the other night, quite lovely.

Well, that's your choice, that doesn't change the fact the PC is quite able to run both a controller and the keyboard+mouse styles if you want.

 

[bafrali]

SNİP

If that is how you feel, you shouldn't go around looking for counter arguments and dismiss them when you find them based on your preferences. It just sounds juvanile and non sensical.

Also do you have a grudge against PC gamers? "Sorry if I offended your gaming rig" line sounds like a passive-agressive remark from an insecure person. If that is the tone you are going with, nobody should bother to argue with you.

 

[lacktheknack]

snip

Lets be honest here. You seem to have made up your mind and just come off as the kid who taunts people to feel better about himself. "My toy is better than yours and your toy is stupid because i like mine better". How does that makes sense again?

its more affordable i get more variety and i love it

therefore i think its better

when the hell did it become illegal to prefer something
i think pc gaming besides mmo's

( i wants phantasy star online dos)

is a waste of money, mods or fun and all but tats just how i feel
sorry if i offended your gaming rig but i think its stupid and has a stupid face

its more affordable i get more variety and i love it

Ignoring the fact that he already blew up your statement about affordability...

i get more variety

http://images.cryhavok.org/d/19196-1/Fillion+Umm.gif

No. Stop speaking. What you say about PCs are invalid. Go back to enjoying your Xbox and stop talking about how it compares to PC, because you're either tweaking us or you literally have NO perspective on what PCs have available.

 

[lacktheknack]

SNİP

If that is how you feel, you shouldn't go around looking for counter arguments and dismiss them when you find them based on your preferences. It just sounds juvanile and non sensical.

Also do you have a grudge against PC gamers? "Sorry if I offended your gaming rig" line sounds like a passive-agressive remark from an insecure person. If that is the tone you are going with, nobody should bother to argue with you.

i said i am looking for a counter argument
if someone gives me a good one
sure i will try it, i will try anything

and that was not passive-aggressive
its called making a joke

you forgot the add "it has a stupid face" part
sorry the internet doesn't have the tone technology yet, so these misscommunications happen

Your terrible grammar and punctuation makes it worse.

And you'll try anything?

OK.

Turn on the computer you already have (I know you have one) if you bought it within the last five years.

http://www.gog.com/

Go crazy.

 

[lacktheknack]

snip

Lets be honest here. You seem to have made up your mind and just come off as the kid who taunts people to feel better about himself. "My toy is better than yours and your toy is stupid because i like mine better". How does that makes sense again?

its more affordable i get more variety and i love it

therefore i think its better

when the hell did it become illegal to prefer something
i think pc gaming besides mmo's

( i wants phantasy star online dos)

is a waste of money, mods or fun and all but tats just how i feel
sorry if i offended your gaming rig but i think its stupid and has a stupid face

its more affordable i get more variety and i love it

Ignoring the fact that he already blew up your statement about affordability...

i get more variety

http://images.cryhavok.org/d/19196-1/Fillion+Umm.gif

No. Stop speaking. What you say about PCs are invalid. Go back to enjoying your Xbox and stop talking about how it compares to PC, because you're either tweaking us or you literally have NO perspective on what PCs have available.

no one blew up any argument

and it isn't, its how i feel pc gaming is a waste of time i get more variety and more fun out of consoles, if you disagree fine, but you damn sure aren't going to change my opinion because you want me to go away because i offended your pc.

alot of pc games don't appeal to me, therefore alot of them suck, its my opinion
deal with it

pc gaming is a waste of money

And I KNOW you're incorrect, because you demonstrate immense lack of understanding about every aspect of PC gaming. YOU deal with THAT.

 

[bafrali]

SNİP

If that is how you feel, you shouldn't go around looking for counter arguments and dismiss them when you find them based on your preferences. It just sounds juvanile and non sensical.

Also do you have a grudge against PC gamers? "Sorry if I offended your gaming rig" line sounds like a passive-agressive remark from an insecure person. If that is the tone you are going with, nobody should bother to argue with you.

i said i am looking for a counter argument
if someone gives me a good one
sure i will try it, i will try anything

and that was not passive-aggressive
its called making a joke

you forgot the add "it has a stupid face" part
sorry the internet doesn't have the tone technology yet, so these misscommunications happen

But they already gave you all these arguments.

They said PC have more exclusives and it is true but you dismissed it based on your preferences.

They already proved that you exaggerated the expenses. I can prove it by the fact that I am using an old laptop for games like Just Cause 2 and getting decent frame-rate out of it.

They already proved that PC has more controller options but you dismiss them based on your preferences.

What is the deal with that type of argument?

 

[Maze1125]

my prefence in video games is wrong

you know what, im not going to go in whats wrong with that

No-one's saying that. What's being said is that your reasons for disliking PC games are wrong. Not that your dislike itself is wrong.

Lots of people dislike PC gaming, for got valid reasons, or sometimes "just 'cos", and they're all entitled to their opinions.

But that's not the case here, you're not just giving your opinion, you're giving it along with a load of statements that are factually false.
We're not disagreeing with your right to an opinion, we're disputing the statements you claim are the reason for that opinion. Which is a different thing entirely.

 

[lacktheknack]

snip

Lets be honest here. You seem to have made up your mind and just come off as the kid who taunts people to feel better about himself. "My toy is better than yours and your toy is stupid because i like mine better". How does that makes sense again?

its more affordable i get more variety and i love it

therefore i think its better

when the hell did it become illegal to prefer something
i think pc gaming besides mmo's

( i wants phantasy star online dos)

is a waste of money, mods or fun and all but tats just how i feel
sorry if i offended your gaming rig but i think its stupid and has a stupid face

its more affordable i get more variety and i love it

Ignoring the fact that he already blew up your statement about affordability...

i get more variety

http://images.cryhavok.org/d/19196-1/Fillion+Umm.gif

No. Stop speaking. What you say about PCs are invalid. Go back to enjoying your Xbox and stop talking about how it compares to PC, because you're either tweaking us or you literally have NO perspective on what PCs have available.

no one blew up any argument

and it isn't, its how i feel pc gaming is a waste of time i get more variety and more fun out of consoles, if you disagree fine, but you damn sure aren't going to change my opinion because you want me to go away because i offended your pc.

alot of pc games don't appeal to me, therefore alot of them suck, its my opinion
deal with it

pc gaming is a waste of money

And I KNOW you're incorrect, because you demonstrate immense lack of understanding about every aspect of PC gaming. YOU deal with THAT.

my prefence in video games is wrong

you know what, im not going to go in whats wrong with that

You're basing your preference on blatantly incorrect assumptions. THAT IS wrong. If you're going to have a preference, at least have the decency to be accurate about the pros and cons of BOTH sides.

 

[QuadFish]

Even Halo and Metroid are games I would've loved to purchase on PC because it's essentially where first person shooters belong,

I'd make an exception for Metroid though, mostly because it was never about the shooting. I used to hate console games that disregarded the strafe-look control setup (which is pretty much perfect for two analog sticks) in favour of a turn/move-look/strafe one (which feels retarded even typing it out) but it never bugged me on Metroid because of the lock-on and the fact that you spend half the game exploring anyway.

That's not to say I wouldn't instantly purchase a PC remake of Trilogy. Holy balls, would that still be awesome.

 

[CleverCover]

Thank you, Courageous Armored Space Hamster.

'salutes' I do my best to stop dumb arguments, sir!

 

[Imp_Emissary]

Thank you, Courageous Armored Space Hamster.

'salutes' I do my best to stop dumb arguments, sir!

>_< Ah yes. The Dumb. Perhaps the greatest threat to the universe. More unstopable, and more invasive than even the Reapers.

Spoiler: >_> VERY invasive....

 

[DataSnake]

if anyone can make me a VALID pc argument i am all for it, until then
a gaming pc is the worst f*** investment i have ever heard of

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[Maze1125]

Thank you, Courageous Armored Space Hamster.

'salutes' I do my best to stop dumb arguments, sir!

Ironic considering your original post in this thread was one great big equivocation fallacy.

 

[CleverCover]

Ironic considering your original post in this thread was one great big equivocation fallacy.

Wait....so both home consoles and PCs aren't giant electronic devices that let me play games and do other stuff with a device that I use to send signals? I'm so sorry.

The argument of what Erin was referring to in her award is still dumb.

 

[Maze1125]

Ironic considering your original post in this thread was one great big equivocation fallacy.

Wait....so both home consoles and PCs aren't giant electronic devices that let me play games and do other stuff with a device that I use to send signals? I'm so sorry.

Yes, they are, but that's completely irrelevant.
An equivocation fallacy isn't a matter of mis-applying a definition, it's a matter of using one definition and then trying claim you've proven something about an entirely different definition of the word.

Yes, under the definition you've given, PCs, X-Boxes and phones are all consoles, but that doesn't change a thing, as no-one else in the thread, or the comic, was using that definition of the word "console" other than you.

 

[CleverCover]

Yes, they are, but that's completely irrelevant.
An equivocation fallacy isn't a matter of mis-applying a definition, it's a matter of using one definition and then trying claim you've proven something about an entirely different definition of the word.

Yes, under the definition you've given, PCs, X-Boxes and phones are all consoles, but that doesn't change a thing, as no-one else in the thread, or the comic, was using that definition of the word "console" other than you.

The original argument was about Erin's wording of the award for the iOS FPS game. Her award was "The game we wish was on a console". Then someone said, "No, the game that should be on a PC ". Then it started a huge PC vs Console war.

My post was referring to how "console" could cover both PC and everything else, so the exact wording of her award shouldn't matter.

 

[Maze1125]

Yes, they are, but that's completely irrelevant.
An equivocation fallacy isn't a matter of mis-applying a definition, it's a matter of using one definition and then trying claim you've proven something about an entirely different definition of the word.

Yes, under the definition you've given, PCs, X-Boxes and phones are all consoles, but that doesn't change a thing, as no-one else in the thread, or the comic, was using that definition of the word "console" other than you.

The original argument was about Erin's wording of the award for the iOS FPS game. Her award was "The game we wish was on a console". Then someone said, "No, the game that should be on a PC ". Then it started a huge PC vs Console war.

My post was referring to how "console" could cover both PC and everything else, so the exact wording of her award shouldn't matter.

Except that if you're willing to change the way the original person used a word you can assume anyone meant anything you want.
That not reasonable, the only reasonable thing to do is take a word in the way the person originally meant it, anything else is twisting their words to suit yourself.

Given that, do you honestly think the original comic was using a definition of "console" that generally applies to industrial equipment, rather than the definition that generally applies to gaming devices?

 

[Sean Rossignol]

you know i hate WASD when I'm playing anything on a PC. sorry yes a mouse is nice for aiming in an FPS but I always find the mouse is way too sensitive and I have to turn it to the minimum setting and running around with WASD feels terrible and I can't stand it. it feels unnatural and my fingers start to hurt in under 15 minutes, moving with a joystick is way better IMO. I'm so used to joysticks now that running around in any FPS on a console feels fluid and natural honesty I never got that when I tried the PC and PC is what i started out on before I got my first console.

This, in a sense. I'm glad I'm not the only one with this opinion. Yes, the framerate might be higher (currently, until the next console jump), and yes, you may be able to pull off snazzier graphics on a PC. But I will always argue that keyboard and mouse has its own faults in FPS control. I'll admit that a mouse allows for slightly higher precision without the need of aim assist - though a good number of PC shooters still use it. However I'm so used to an analog for aiming in games like Halo that I never feel I'm lacking in precise aim. I set the sensitivity pretty high now, so it isn't like the aim is more sluggish than a mouse. And at least I don't have to worry about my primary aiming tool slipping on the table during a frantic shootout and sending my sights reeling.

But more than that, I will never defend WASD for movement. I absolutely cannot stand that for most games, FPS included, your movement options generally boil down to "stopped" and "running full tilt." At best you have MORE buttons designated to movement just to allow you to walk, which on top of the ridiculous mapping involved in your superior control layout, leads to my hand cramping up. Constantly. I don't need early carpal tunnel this young. An analog stick is just more fluid for smooth, precise movement, and unless you fork out for a pressure sensitive gaming keyboard I don't see that changing in the slightest.