Onyx Oblivion said:
That said, so the lore of 40K really does have no females in the marines? I don't follow the series, so...
Space Marines in 40K aren't just marines, in space - they're genetically modified superhumans, modeled after the genetic template of the Emperor himself. The augmentation process requires that it be started young, like no older than 14, if there's going to be any real chance of success, and the process renders marines functionally immortal (in that they don't die of old age, whether they would if given enough time is unknown because marines tend to die violently). Space Marines are pretty much a separate species, only they can't procreate. So no, there are no female marines.
As others have pointed out, there's an entire faction of power armor wearing religious fanatics that's exclusively female, and women can certainly be in the guard, the inquisition, assassins, etc, so it's not like guys get to do all the fighting. There just aren't any female marines, and most 40K fans think that suggesting there could be is every bit as stupid as trying to gin up something like say...
male amazonian warriors; there are some things you just do not do.
DTWolfwood said:
Plus i think the Orks would have a problem. I think they just pop out of the ground cause for the life of me i've never read about a female ork.
P.S. Don't the Sisters of Battle have the same 2 hitpoints all Space marines have and the same firing accuracy with Bolters? and the fact they can use Bolters not as Heavy weapons mean they are Space Marines?
That's because there aren't any - in the old
old fluff there were, but Games Workshop revised the orks to be partly fungal organisms who reproduce via spores (the details are actually quite fascinating, as the same spores that produce orks also produce all the other orkoid forms - they're essentially their own traveling hard to root out ecosystem). So all orks look male, but are actually asexual. I suggest any ladies inclined to roll one up can deal with it.
As for stats meaning equality, table top stats have relatively little to nothing to do with the actual fluff - it's a game, and games need to be balanced. In-universe they're just a fanatical order of warrior-nuns wearing power armor and burning stuff; marines have the Black Carapace, they don't
wear armor so much as it becomes an extension of their very body. Also they're superhuman even without the armor, and the Sororitas are normal non-augmented women for the most part.
crotalidian said:
Well the sisters of battle are around and I'm sure they can shoehorn some all female orders into the Marines this is the 40 thousandth century surely equal rights have permitted the induction of females
Also aren't the Eldar a matriarchal society? plenty of ladeez for the game
No no no no no no no no no no no a thousand times
NO. They cannot shoehorn them in because they do not exist, the process by which Space Marines are created
doesn't work on women.
The idea that we actually
need to have female marines to balance things out is silly - a female Calidus assassin is
far more deadly than a single marine, women can kick ass with the best of them in 40K.
And no, the Eldar are not a matriarchal society. Most of the various 'roles' you'd find Eldar in are open to males or females, but even they have their own exclusive factions - Howling Banshees anyone?
Danzaivar said:
You know, I think just having Sisters of Battle and classing them as female space marines might actually cause more problems (I.e. Beserk fanboyism) than just allowing female space marines.
I rather doubt that - in table top terms their stats are all but identical, I really don't see 40K fans making a stink about the Adepta Sororitas being
functionally like marines (for the most part, there should be obvious factional differences but the baseline stats could be mostly the same and we probably wouldn't care). Allowing female space marines will
definitely cause an uproar, because most fans are going to see that as changing things for no damn reason - it's not like you can't find women in literally any other imperial organization!
BiscuitTrouser said:
I dont realy see the issue here, they could get away with combining these factions into "servants of the emperor" and letting people roll space marines or battle sisters. Basically same thing different name. And whats in a name.
Considering I find that entire notion heretical, no they could bloody well
not. You can make battle sisters just as good
in-game terms as marines, and fanatical 40K fans won't care (I should know, I am a fanatical 40K fan). You
CANNOT slap them together and call them two parts of "Servants of the Emperor" - Space Marine chapters and Battle Sister orders are
not the same thing at all. True, both organizations serve the Emperor, but the Sororitas are the militant arm of the Ecclesiarchy, and the Astartes are an independent imperial organization in their own right, beholden to no one save the Emperor himself (in theory, in actual practice they have to play nice with others because they rely on the Mechanicus and whatnot). You could create an
in-game category called that with
clear explanation that the two possible selections are not in fact part of the same group, but actually combining them is grounds for being declared Excommunicate Traitorus, just like adding in female marines would be.
ironduke88 said:
I just want to role my aplha+ psykic inquistor with the power to dissolve entire cities with the power of my mind (although knowing my luck that won't be a playable faction).
Not to burst your bubble, but even supposing the Inquisition is a playable faction, the human mind doesn't seem to be able to handle psychic potential past Beta while remaining sane; essentially all Alpha level psykers are nutjobs, and Alpha+ psykers even more so. Not really going to find them as inquisitors for that reason.
