Critical Miss: Evil, Evidently

[GeorgW]

And yet, I find myself rooting for them...

 

[Jumplion]

Yeah, Guerrilla Games do go a bit overboard with their allusions, metaphors, and clear cut "WWII in SPACE!" analogy in the Killzone games. I doubt they'd know what "subtly" is if it hit them square in the face. It's still a good game, I think anyway, and I do find the whole situation fascinating in how it's presented and shown regardless of where it was ripped from.

 

[Ghengis John]

Every time I run into these guys I have to pull out wikipedia and educate them myself.

I agree with your World War 2 in Space style argument, but you tried to use Wikipedia as a credible source to educate people? *Facepalm*

It's not like I'm shooting for university level accreditation. Besides, what matters is they get the gist of things quickly. I could tell them to go check out a book from their local library, but I doubt contentious kids will go through the trouble.

 

[hippo24]

. I doubt they'd know what "subtly" is if it hit them square in the face.

This is possibly the 5rd or 6th best sentence I've ever read.

Being hit in the face with subtly...it's like you crammed a metaphor into a paradox, loaded it into an analogy, and shot it as an insult. Seriously, I don't know if it was intentional but someone needs to hand you an award(or at least a printable certificate).

 

[Jumplion]

. I doubt they'd know what "subtly" is if it hit them square in the face.

This is possibly the 5rd or 6th best sentence I've ever read.

Being hit in the face with subtly...it's like you crammed a metaphor into a paradox, loaded it into an analogy, and shot it as an insult. Seriously, I don't know if it was intentional but someone needs to hand you an award(or at least a printable certificate).

I dunno, I thought that was a common expression? Like "You wouldn't know [whatever it is] even if it [something it does]!"

 

[TheAmazingHobo]

. I doubt they'd know what "subtly" is if it hit them square in the face.

This is possibly the 5rd or 6th best sentence I've ever read.

Being hit in the face with subtly...it's like you crammed a metaphor into a paradox, loaded it into an analogy, and shot it as an insult. Seriously, I don't know if it was intentional but someone needs to hand you an award(or at least a printable certificate).

I dunno, I thought that was a common expression? Like "You wouldn't know [whatever it is] even if it [something it does]!"

Yes it is.
But some people wouldn´t know a common expression if it was explicitly pointed out to them on the internet! (We are so bloody meta, I´m about half a sentence away from pointing out how meta this is).

But anyway.
I think Killzone is hilarious.
Yes, they made the enemy look and act like space nazis, but the first time my mate explained the plot of the game to me, I had no idea who to root for.
I then read up on the timeline off the games, and I still have no idea who to root for.

I think we have a rare case of total, unintended, idiot-plot-induced moral ambiguity.
Good times.

 

[Jumplion]

. I doubt they'd know what "subtly" is if it hit them square in the face.

This is possibly the 5rd or 6th best sentence I've ever read.

Being hit in the face with subtly...it's like you crammed a metaphor into a paradox, loaded it into an analogy, and shot it as an insult. Seriously, I don't know if it was intentional but someone needs to hand you an award(or at least a printable certificate).

I dunno, I thought that was a common expression? Like "You wouldn't know [whatever it is] even if it [something it does]!"

Yes it is.
But some people wouldn´t know a common expression if it was explicitly pointed out to them on the internet! (We are so bloody meta, I´m about half a sentence away from pointing out how meta this is).

But anyway.
I think Killzone is hilarious.
Yes, they made the enemy look and act like space nazis, but the first time my mate explained the plot of the game to me, I had no idea who to root for.
I then read up on the timeline off the games, and I still have no idea who to root for.

I think we have a rare case of total, unintended, idiot-plot-induced moral ambiguity.
Good times.

Actually, I think that's what I like about the story. I see a lot of people siding with the Helghast, even if it is just for giggles and shits, but it does actually show a parallel with Nazi Germany. That and it could easily be argued that the ISA are the "true" bad guys here, invading them home (though the Helghast started it, but the ISA continued it, blah blah blah)

It's not the most sophisticated story out there, but I think it gets the job right in the areas in needs to.

 

[theultimateend]

Just wait till a peaceful alien race shows up on Earth and has fiery glowing red eyes.

Gaming will have sealed their fate .

 

[Canid117]

I try to tell people "This series is just world war II, in space." Then they rage at me about how it's not and it's an all original story line that's so inventive and if I just played it and appreciated it and loved it and wanted to marry it like they did maybe I'd finally see that I was wrong all along and...

No.

What? Do they not teach history in school anymore? Why can't these kids see this? Every time I run into these guys I have to pull out wikipedia and educate them myself. Now it's fine to love you some world war two in space. Just you know, be willing to admit it's world war two in space.

But Stalin was one of the good guys in WW2... Oh wait right... Communism equals eveel so it's okay then. Why not throw Castro in there too?

Firstly: There is no good in war. Period.

Second: Russia was neutral in the war. The only reason they were considered allies is because they were fighting back the Germans. Who, you know, invaded them. Russia couldn't care less about the rest of us at that point.

Russia was not neutral in WWII. If someone is fighting in a war they are not neutral. They are on a side and Russia was on ours. Killzone seems like the most idealized apple pie world war 2 that we have ever produced but its in space so foreigners aren't bitching at us too much for it.

 

[Canid117]

I try to tell people "This series is just world war II, in space." Then they rage at me about how it's not and it's an all original story line that's so inventive and if I just played it and appreciated it and loved it and wanted to marry it like they did maybe I'd finally see that I was wrong all along and...

No.

What? Do they not teach history in school anymore? Why can't these kids see this? Every time I run into these guys I have to pull out wikipedia and educate them myself. Now it's fine to love you some world war two in space. Just you know, be willing to admit it's world war two in space.

But Stalin was one of the good guys in WW2... Oh wait right... Communism equals eveel so it's okay then. Why not throw Castro in there too?

Firstly: There is no good in war. Period.

Second: Russia was neutral in the war. The only reason they were considered allies is because they were fighting back the Germans. Who, you know, invaded them. Russia couldn't care less about the rest of us at that point.

Russia was not neutral in WWII. If someone is fighting in a war they are not neutral. They are on a side and Russia was on ours. Killzone seems like the most idealized apple pie world war 2 that we have ever produced but its in space so foreigners aren't bitching at us too much for it.

Russia was fighting on Russia's side.

During the war we were on each others side. (Seeing as how we were official allies and sent each other support)

 

[fooddood3]

I like that the city was SUBTLY named Pyrrhus.

 

[Tipsythegza]

I try to tell people "This series is just world war II, in space." Then they rage at me about how it's not and it's an all original story line that's so inventive and if I just played it and appreciated it and loved it and wanted to marry it like they did maybe I'd finally see that I was wrong all along and...

No.

What? Do they not teach history in school anymore? Why can't these kids see this? Every time I run into these guys I have to pull out wikipedia and educate them myself. Now it's fine to love you some world war two in space. Just you know, be willing to admit it's world war two in space.

Never admit defeat even if your wrong!

 

[Twad]

I still say the Hellgast armor is a cheap Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade rip-off.

Yeah, the first time i saw Jin-Roh i was quite suprised that the designs were almost exactly the same.

 

[hippo24]

. I doubt they'd know what "subtly" is if it hit them square in the face.

This is possibly the 5rd or 6th best sentence I've ever read.

Being hit in the face with subtly...it's like you crammed a metaphor into a paradox, loaded it into an analogy, and shot it as an insult. Seriously, I don't know if it was intentional but someone needs to hand you an award(or at least a printable certificate).

I dunno, I thought that was a common expression? Like "You wouldn't know [whatever it is] even if it [something it does]!"

Yes, the expression is common-place, but given the subject matter...
How does one get hit in the face subtly?
Hmm..
It's pure genius
Thats how!!

...Future Kings and Helghastian-space-nazi will obviously look back on this thread as the height of literary achievement in this century.

 

[Fox242]

This still doesn't stop me from loving this series and wishing that I will be able to play a Helghast campaign one day. What would be a great step in writing and creativity would be to make a game about the First Extrasolar War and portray the Earth government ISA as being the cruel bastards that drove the Helghans to become Space Nazis.

Then again, perhaps the next step in the series is to have the Earth government try and take over Vekta directly after it has been weakened by Operation Archangel.

Anyway, yes the Helghast are not terribly original, but they are endearing because of it. Come on, those glowing eyes have never made fascsim look so sleak and cool.

 

[Cherry Cola]

If only because it proves there are writers out there worse than I am.

Trust me, it doesn't.