Critical Miss: Evil, Evidently

[Abedeus]

I try to tell people "This series is just world war II, in space." Then they rage at me about how it's not and it's an all original story line that's so inventive and if I just played it and appreciated it and loved it and wanted to marry it like they did maybe I'd finally see that I was wrong all along and...

No.

What? Do they not teach history in school anymore? Why can't these kids see this? Every time I run into these guys I have to pull out wikipedia and educate them myself. Now it's fine to love you some world war two in space. Just you know, be willing to admit it's world war two in space.

But Stalin was one of the good guys in WW2... Oh wait right... Communism equals eveel so it's okay then. Why not throw Castro in there too?

Firstly: There is no good in war. Period.

Second: Russia was neutral in the war. The only reason they were considered allies is because they were fighting back the Germans. Who, you know, invaded them. Russia couldn't care less about the rest of us at that point.

Yeah, the whole "take over half the continent and enslave several countries and pretend it's saving them" was totally neutral.

Neutral would be leaving Poland after getting rid of Nazis. Not staying for picnic for almost 35 years. And then making everyone love their picnic, and kill en masse anything that said picnic wasn't nice or the bees were stinging them.

Well since we're ranting about education, perhaps one of you could tell me who I'm paraphrasing:

"It's not the cause that justifies the war, but the war that justifies the cause"

I'll give you a hint, it's the same guy who said, "What does not kill me, makes me stronger."

I have no idea who said it. Because I don't have English History or History in English.

I could google it, but if you are too lazy, I am as well.

 

[ReiverCorrupter]

I try to tell people "This series is just world war II, in space." Then they rage at me about how it's not and it's an all original story line that's so inventive and if I just played it and appreciated it and loved it and wanted to marry it like they did maybe I'd finally see that I was wrong all along and...

No.

What? Do they not teach history in school anymore? Why can't these kids see this? Every time I run into these guys I have to pull out wikipedia and educate them myself. Now it's fine to love you some world war two in space. Just you know, be willing to admit it's world war two in space.

But Stalin was one of the good guys in WW2... Oh wait right... Communism equals eveel so it's okay then. Why not throw Castro in there too?

Firstly: There is no good in war. Period.

Second: Russia was neutral in the war. The only reason they were considered allies is because they were fighting back the Germans. Who, you know, invaded them. Russia couldn't care less about the rest of us at that point.

Yeah, the whole "take over half the continent and enslave several countries and pretend it's saving them" was totally neutral.

Neutral would be leaving Poland after getting rid of Nazis. Not staying for picnic for almost 35 years. And then making everyone love their picnic, and kill en masse anything that said picnic wasn't nice or the bees were stinging them.

Well since we're ranting about education, perhaps one of you could tell me who I'm paraphrasing:

"It's not the cause that justifies the war, but the war that justifies the cause"

I'll give you a hint, it's the same guy who said, "What does not kill me, makes me stronger."

I have no idea who said it. Because I don't have English History or History in English.

I could google it, but if you are too lazy, I am as well.

Lol. That's rather ironic considering he's German. I'll give you one last hint. He's probably most famous for saying "God is dead." Though people often misinterpret what he means by this.

 

[The Wooster]

The one on the left looks like Hitler's emo twin! XD

That's actually what he looks like. Funny you should mention it because me and my Co-op buddy actually refer to them as Old Hitler and Emo Hitler.

 

[Abedeus]

I try to tell people "This series is just world war II, in space." Then they rage at me about how it's not and it's an all original story line that's so inventive and if I just played it and appreciated it and loved it and wanted to marry it like they did maybe I'd finally see that I was wrong all along and...

No.

What? Do they not teach history in school anymore? Why can't these kids see this? Every time I run into these guys I have to pull out wikipedia and educate them myself. Now it's fine to love you some world war two in space. Just you know, be willing to admit it's world war two in space.

But Stalin was one of the good guys in WW2... Oh wait right... Communism equals eveel so it's okay then. Why not throw Castro in there too?

Firstly: There is no good in war. Period.

Second: Russia was neutral in the war. The only reason they were considered allies is because they were fighting back the Germans. Who, you know, invaded them. Russia couldn't care less about the rest of us at that point.

Yeah, the whole "take over half the continent and enslave several countries and pretend it's saving them" was totally neutral.

Neutral would be leaving Poland after getting rid of Nazis. Not staying for picnic for almost 35 years. And then making everyone love their picnic, and kill en masse anything that said picnic wasn't nice or the bees were stinging them.

Well since we're ranting about education, perhaps one of you could tell me who I'm paraphrasing:

"It's not the cause that justifies the war, but the war that justifies the cause"

I'll give you a hint, it's the same guy who said, "What does not kill me, makes me stronger."

I have no idea who said it. Because I don't have English History or History in English.

I could google it, but if you are too lazy, I am as well.

Lol. That's rather ironic considering he's German. I'll give you one last hint. He's probably most famous for saying "God is dead." Though people often misinterpret what he means by this.

Nitz... Nitsche... The nihilist guy?

Seriously, we don't learn about what people SAY in school. And I don't learn every single quote in all languages I know.

 

[ReiverCorrupter]

I try to tell people "This series is just world war II, in space." Then they rage at me about how it's not and it's an all original story line that's so inventive and if I just played it and appreciated it and loved it and wanted to marry it like they did maybe I'd finally see that I was wrong all along and...

No.

What? Do they not teach history in school anymore? Why can't these kids see this? Every time I run into these guys I have to pull out wikipedia and educate them myself. Now it's fine to love you some world war two in space. Just you know, be willing to admit it's world war two in space.

But Stalin was one of the good guys in WW2... Oh wait right... Communism equals eveel so it's okay then. Why not throw Castro in there too?

Firstly: There is no good in war. Period.

Second: Russia was neutral in the war. The only reason they were considered allies is because they were fighting back the Germans. Who, you know, invaded them. Russia couldn't care less about the rest of us at that point.

Yeah, the whole "take over half the continent and enslave several countries and pretend it's saving them" was totally neutral.

Neutral would be leaving Poland after getting rid of Nazis. Not staying for picnic for almost 35 years. And then making everyone love their picnic, and kill en masse anything that said picnic wasn't nice or the bees were stinging them.

Well since we're ranting about education, perhaps one of you could tell me who I'm paraphrasing:

"It's not the cause that justifies the war, but the war that justifies the cause"

I'll give you a hint, it's the same guy who said, "What does not kill me, makes me stronger."

I have no idea who said it. Because I don't have English History or History in English.

I could google it, but if you are too lazy, I am as well.

Lol. That's rather ironic considering he's German. I'll give you one last hint. He's probably most famous for saying "God is dead." Though people often misinterpret what he means by this.

Nitz... Nitsche... The nihilist guy?

Seriously, we don't learn about what people SAY in school. And I don't learn every single quote in all languages I know.

Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche. I know it's a pain to spell, it's polish. And he wasn't a nihilist. In fact, pretty much all of his writings are geared towards defeating nihilism. He didn't believe in objective values, but rather that we create values through our wills. It's complicated. He's a really witty writer, I suggest you read one of his works when you get a chance. "Twilight of the Idols" and "The Antichrist" are both short and thought provoking.

 

[Littaly]

Heh, this reminds me a little of the style of humor they used to run with in Slackerz [http://theslackerz.com/index.php] before they stopped updating. Shame, that comic was kind of fun in a weird sort of way.

Anyway, really nice work, I giggled at "Hitli" ^^

 

[Shirokurou]

Actually all of that was pretty much meaningless.

You have... Malcolm MacDowell. How more evil can you get?

 

[Woodsey]

Don't forget they're all made to be British as well.

 

[Olrod]

I watched to 1.08 and then I LOL'd so hard I couldn't be bothered to watch anymore.

He nuked his own city, okay, extreme times and extreme measures, etc, I can appreciate that part of the story.

Oh, and the city just happened to be named Pyrrhus. *facepalm*

O I C WAT U DID THAR.

 

[duchaked]

ohhhhhh so that's why they called them the HELGHAST I see what they did there now

 

[philosophicalbastard]

Why is it I feel more sympathy for the Helghast, then I do for the ISA?

Oh. Because Rico is a douche.

Yeah, I've always viewed the Helghast as the rightful protagonists of Killzone. They may have the design of the Nazis, and some parallels, but whereas the Nazis are universally evil based on what happened in WW2, the Helghast have never commited the same level of atrocity. They invaded a planet that they were forcibly removed from in Killzone 1, that doesn't sound so bad to me. Then they got invaded and fought back. Again, not such a terrible thing to do.
But then Killzone 3 came along and had them creating tickers from Gears of War and doing human experiments, as if Guerilla were desperately trying to convince us that they've been bad all along. Instead of making me side with the ISA, it simply conflicted with my earlier view of an otherwise industrial and practical army so made me disconnect from the story.

And then of course the ISA go and blow up the entire frakking planet so nonchalantly. The douchyness of that is 100 times worse than anything the actual Nazis did.

 

[Blind Sight]

I try to tell people "This series is just world war II, in space." Then they rage at me about how it's not and it's an all original story line that's so inventive and if I just played it and appreciated it and loved it and wanted to marry it like they did maybe I'd finally see that I was wrong all along and...

No.

What? Do they not teach history in school anymore? Why can't these kids see this? Every time I run into these guys I have to pull out wikipedia and educate them myself. Now it's fine to love you some world war two in space. Just you know, be willing to admit it's world war two in space.

But Stalin was one of the good guys in WW2... Oh wait right... Communism equals eveel so it's okay then. Why not throw Castro in there too?

Firstly: There is no good in war. Period.

Second: Russia was neutral in the war. The only reason they were considered allies is because they were fighting back the Germans. Who, you know, invaded them. Russia couldn't care less about the rest of us at that point.

Ok Ok I'll give you that...

Anyway the real reason why he became the next evil was that he was reluctant to let go of the "conquered" countries after the war...

Well that...and the propaganda machine, secret NKVD police, Siberian gulags, the executions of thousands of intellectuals and generals due to suspicion, slave labour, penal battalions, restructuring of the farming system leading to starvation, and generally just ensuring that Russia would modernize rapidly within urban areas, but its wheels would be oiled by Russian blood.

 

[hippo24]

Maybe it's trying to be ironic.

If you pay close attention to the story line you'll notice that, not only are you invading their homeland( an in hospitable world that you exiled them to) but your systematically destabilizing their governments very infrastructure without any plans to aid or assist the civilian population.

The game goes out of it's way to establish the pretense that they are evil,
but if you look below the surface you will notice that they are just a product of your interference.
Their very existence was born of your persecution and the game seems to hint that they are, in fact, the real tragic hero, left with no other option than to become as brutal and ruthless as the lot they have been cast.
The irony is that now after your planet created this monster that now you must exterminate it once again, to repeat the same mistakes of the past.
It truly is a tale of sorrow and social satire that muddies the water between what we see as good and evil, truly this is an unappreciated gem that so many have passed over.

Or it was just really lazy...

 

[Mumorpuger]

Everything about that intro made me cringe. I like how he nuked his own capital city in order to win. The city's name? Pyrrus. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory]

Real subtle. YOU GUYS ARE GENIUSES!

 

[Flauros]

Well, except for the part where it appears they pull a starship troopers and the Helghast MIGHT be the GOOD GUYS

 

[RobCoxxy]

I still feel sorry for the Helghan.

Exiled to a radioactive, inhospitable planet? Forced to adapt, evolve, survive?

And then invaded by space-yanks.

Bad times.

 

[Madara XIII]

Critical Miss: Evil, Evidently

Nice touch with the armbands. Subtle.

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Killzone 3 isn't just dumb. I like dumb games. Killzone 3 assumes the player is dumb. In case you couldn't figure out that the Space Nazis with the glowing eyes (and designs ripped from the far superior Jin Roh) weren't supposed to be the antagonists they drop handy little hints, like having them execute prisoners of war, their own men, anything they can get their hands on. Sony honestly shows a remarkable degree of restraint by not including a scene where they shovel puppies into a furnace. The good gentlemen over at Penny Arcade already touched on the ridiculous design of their evil technology [http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/2/9/] but the characters are even worse. Helghast leaders are literally pulled straight from the history books. Stalin? Sure. Kaiser Wilhelm? Why not? Hitler? How about two Hitlers? Great. No, I didn't make that part up.

The intro is honestly a marvelous thing to behold. It takes the idea of the idea of the visual metaphor and beats the viewer to death with it. It's quite endearing a way. If only because it proves there are writers out there worse than I am.

.....I'm guessing you didn't like Killzone 3.

Say what you want my good sir, but for continuity's sake of finishing the series and the fact that I out right despise any Call of Duty game (Cept 4) Then I shall continue to play this awesome game.....and yes they are EEEEEEEEEEEVIL!!

 

[Madara XIII]

I still feel sorry for the Helghan.

Exiled to a radioactive, inhospitable planet? Forced to adapt, evolve, survive?

And then invaded by space-yanks.

Bad times.

Huzzah for someone who payed attention to the story

You sir are awesome.

 

[i7omahawki]

I try to tell people "This series is just world war II, in space." Then they rage at me about how it's not and it's an all original story line that's so inventive and if I just played it and appreciated it and loved it and wanted to marry it like they did maybe I'd finally see that I was wrong all along and...

No.

What? Do they not teach history in school anymore? Why can't these kids see this? Every time I run into these guys I have to pull out wikipedia and educate them myself. Now it's fine to love you some world war two in space. Just you know, be willing to admit it's world war two in space.

But Stalin was one of the good guys in WW2... Oh wait right... Communism equals eveel so it's okay then. Why not throw Castro in there too?

Firstly: There is no good in war. Period.

Second: Russia was neutral in the war. The only reason they were considered allies is because they were fighting back the Germans. Who, you know, invaded them. Russia couldn't care less about the rest of us at that point.

Yeah, the whole "take over half the continent and enslave several countries and pretend it's saving them" was totally neutral.

Neutral would be leaving Poland after getting rid of Nazis. Not staying for picnic for almost 35 years. And then making everyone love their picnic, and kill en masse anything that said picnic wasn't nice or the bees were stinging them.

Well since we're ranting about education, perhaps one of you could tell me who I'm paraphrasing:

"It's not the cause that justifies the war, but the war that justifies the cause"

I'll give you a hint, it's the same guy who said, "What does not kill me, makes me stronger."

I have no idea who said it. Because I don't have English History or History in English.

I could google it, but if you are too lazy, I am as well.

Lol. That's rather ironic considering he's German. I'll give you one last hint. He's probably most famous for saying "God is dead." Though people often misinterpret what he means by this.

Nitz... Nitsche... The nihilist guy?

Seriously, we don't learn about what people SAY in school. And I don't learn every single quote in all languages I know.

Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche. I know it's a pain to spell, it's polish. And he wasn't a nihilist. In fact, pretty much all of his writings are geared towards defeating nihilism. He didn't believe in objective values, but rather that we create values through our wills. It's complicated. He's a really witty writer, I suggest you read one of his works when you get a chance. "Twilight of the Idols" and "The Antichrist" are both short and thought provoking.

Good to see Nietzsche getting some love here. I think this may be the first time I've seen someone reference Nietzsche in some way that is accurate.

Would be nice if someone like Nietzsche was more influential in games and such, his view of going 'beyond good and evil' could make the whole 'moral choice' mechanic much more fun. Plus his perspectivism and concept of the overhuman (and eternal recurrence, AND will to power) would make great gameplay elements.

Throw a resurrected Nietzsche into this game and I may be interested.

 

[mjc0961]

Two Hitlers? I only ever saw one Hitler. To be honest though, my focus was on the guy with the really goofy 'stache...

The one on the left in this pic. What the hell is going on with that facial hair, Helghast dude?!

I still feel sorry for the Helghan.

Exiled to a radioactive, inhospitable planet? Forced to adapt, evolve, survive?

And then invaded by space-yanks.

Bad times.

Huzzah for someone who payed attention to the story

You sir are awesome.

I would submit that they did not pay attention to the story. They left out the part where the Helgan people (they weren't called Helghast yet) tried to basically take over space and make it really hard for other people to trade, and try to kick out what were basically government troops from their planets. Obviously, the ISA and the UCA responded to this act of aggression, and ended up winning that war. So that's the part that wasn't mentioned before "Exiled to a radioactive, inhospitable planet?". The Helghan people started a fight, and then lost it.

And then before "And then invaded by space-yanks.", you guys forgot all about Killzone 1 and Killzone Liberation, where the Helghast invaded the "space-yanks" FIRST and did lots of nasty things there, one of the big ones stealing a nuclear weapon from the ISA and take it back to Helghan. This is why they were invaded by space-yanks. And then we all know about the nasty things they did in Killzone 2 and 3 if we played.

No, I do not feel sorry for the Helghast at this point at all. I also find it quite laughable when people claim "You play as the bad guys in this game, the Helghast are the good guys." No, they are absolutely not the bad guys. The ISA aren't really the "good guys" here, but that doesn't mean the Helghast are. You have the ISA which are just regular dickheads and not total bad guys (still jerks though), and then you have the Helghast which are giant, "gold penis statue from Minecraft" dickheads who are 100% pure bad-guy. And THAT is all things you will learn if you truly pay attention to the story.

http://www.killzone.com/kz/storyline.psml Good stuff, check it out sometime. And remember to play the games again and pay attention, you can see that the Helghast aren't even close to being good guys or being pitiable.

Everything about that intro made me cringe. I like how he nuked his own capital city in order to win. The city's name? Pyrrus. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory]

Real subtle. YOU GUYS ARE GENIUSES!

Well, they didn't actually win by setting off the nuke, so it wasn't actually a pyrrhic victory. It was pretty much just plain ol' "epic fail" [http://www.ipandora.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/epic_fail.jpg].