Critical Miss: Spudden Death
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Everything is broken.Prof. Monkeypox said:
EVERYTHING.
Except the tactics I like and use.
The sooner you realise that, the more gaming will make sense.
Errr, well the thing is that the so called "N00b Tube" was acknowleged by the developers as being an "equalizer" weapon intended to allow far less skilled players to get involved in multi-player and have a chance. Or at least that is what I've read. A big part of the criticism is that this defeats the purpose of competitive play that rewards skill and experience.
That said I don't play "Modern Warfare", but due to it's omni-prescnece I've heard a lot about this.
As far as the knife goes, in an intentionally poorly balanced game, what do you expect? I think the basic idea here is that if someone lets another player get close enough to them to use a weapon like that they should be dead. By the same token if they made it so the knife gave the person on the receiving end a chance to react it wouldn't be effective at all since the guy with the knife would do damage, and then the person on the receiving end would wind up simply pulling a gun and shooting them.
Now speaking for myself, the weapon I feel shouldn't be in FPS games is the Sniper Rifles. Oh, they are realistic enough, but honestly I think the very existance of such weapons ruins the competitive aspect of the game. All the discussions about them and the viability of "quickscoping" seem to have more weight than the N00b tube or the knives, since the Sniper Rifles are allegedly supposed to be balanced, unlike the N00b Tube which is supposed to be unbalanced, and the knife which largely comes down to a design choice.
That said I don't play "Modern Warfare", but due to it's omni-prescnece I've heard a lot about this.
As far as the knife goes, in an intentionally poorly balanced game, what do you expect? I think the basic idea here is that if someone lets another player get close enough to them to use a weapon like that they should be dead. By the same token if they made it so the knife gave the person on the receiving end a chance to react it wouldn't be effective at all since the guy with the knife would do damage, and then the person on the receiving end would wind up simply pulling a gun and shooting them.
Now speaking for myself, the weapon I feel shouldn't be in FPS games is the Sniper Rifles. Oh, they are realistic enough, but honestly I think the very existance of such weapons ruins the competitive aspect of the game. All the discussions about them and the viability of "quickscoping" seem to have more weight than the N00b tube or the knives, since the Sniper Rifles are allegedly supposed to be balanced, unlike the N00b Tube which is supposed to be unbalanced, and the knife which largely comes down to a design choice.
Yeah, I've noticed.Zachary Amaranth said:
I created my own label for when people call you a "shotgun noob" or "quicksnipe noob" or "noobtubor" or whatever- "winning noob."
A "winning noob" is anyone who beats you and you don't like that.
Pretty much why I stopped playing CoD online anyway.
Sadly, it's not just CoD, but it does seem to cluster there.Prof. Monkeypox said:
I like your noob statements, though. My friends and I will jokingly call each other noobs and cry hax at every turn.
That's because Rush mode is an attempt to pull in CoD players. The meat of the game is Conquest mode, which involves quite a bit of strategy -- although not as much as the version from BF2. They've actually opened up the conquest map to all PC users, so if you're playing on the PC, give it a shot.dystopiaINC said:
I'd have to contest that, I have been killed several times by people who would be at a distance more appropriate for the use of a medieval pike or halberd than for modern day combat knives (admitantly, seeing someone run around with a pike or halberd in CoD would actually be pretty funny) who have had a tenacity for absorbing bullets on par with the Highlander and can run in such a fashion that reminds me of the scene in Terminator 2 where the T-1000 chases a speeding car.Zhukov said:
Also, as for the whole thing of 'at least you need to be close', getting close to an enemy in CoD is far from difficult so I fail to see how exactly this is much of a disadvantage (with the exception of the realy open sniper maps).
Even if you don't feel that the knife is overpowered you can't deny that seeing people actually use it does create more than a few silly or downright stupid situations (yes, being stabbed will more than likely eventually kill or incapacitate you but I'm fairly certain that a few bullets to the chest at close range would do that even faster, in short, if we can accept insta-kill stabbing then we have the accept that the running knife-man woud also likely be collapsing to the ground as his lungs flood with blood before or shortly after trying to lunge at you).
Grenade launchers, while equally annoying, at least have the restaining factors of they have limited uses, they take up an attachment slot, they're not very accurate (and an indirect hit isn't always guranteed to kill) and there are perks and pieces of equipment there solely to counter explosives like the grenade launcher (MW2 had both the blast shield and riot shield, use them both and you'd be suprised how many grenades you can deflect with ease).
While it is true that people love to complain about anything that kills them (and brands it as overpowered) this doesn't detract from the fact that there are times when something is legitimately broken or overpowered (even if you're tired of hearing people whine about it).
And then people complain on forums about the rules, will the cycle never end!Prof. Monkeypox said:
Or you could play CoD on the consoles which is about what 90% of the player base is doing. No rules, just lazy people corner camping. I'm even thinking of buying the new Counter Strike on the console, just so I can have a game where I can play all the SD I want and still have decently balanced arsenal.
The knife is poisonedGrey Carter said:
I would begrudgingly give in to the awesome, laugh my ass off, and go play something else, myself.hermes200 said:
Hehehe, predictable arguing is predictable. Well, I do agree with Grey on this one but I don't care enough to get into a debate about it.
I hate to break this to you, but "camping" is a fallacious accusation. Battlefield is about taking and holding positions. If you want to play a game where everyone bunny hops out in the open and BXR's each other then go play Halo. It's like criticizing Star Craft for not being a first person shooter. If someone is holding down a position then you should pop a smoke grenade and try to outflank them. Just don't complain when you run out in the open mindlessly and die.dystopiaINC said:
what makes you think i did just "run out and mindlessly die" last i checked none of my kits had any sort of smoke grenades available to me, also since battle field seems to lack special grenades like flash-bangs that was also an option i couldn't use but would certainly have done, and flanking? you think i didn't try? i certainly did however every approach i tried was either covered by said camper or else infested with the other side. this happened on the first set of objectives and the other teem some how manged to get themselves all over our default spawn and get to nice camping spots of their own while my idiot teem placed a Mobile spawn point past the two objectives and the Mobil spawn was pretty much the only place to spawn since my squad was sitting on top of it any way there was nowhere else too spawn. either with them and come under fire as soon as you spawn or else spawn far away, alone and surrounded by campers in the bushes. yes i tried both. multiple times. it was so bad when we did get the plants off nobody on their teem even tried to defuse them they were to focused on kills, that how we won. they did the same thing with the other points. all they did was find spots and camp for kills and not mind the objectives.ReiverCorrupter said:
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R version. they were not "holding objectives" they were camping for kills and only kills and they didn't care if they lost.
Well it sounds to me that the problem is the people you're playing with, not the game. I can assure you that there are smoke grenades and all sorts of other equipment. Remember it was only a beta. I didn't have any of those problems when I played. No one seemed to be using their mics but we were still coordinated enough to attack and defend. it sounds like you were just very unlucky and had bad teammates. If one team is well coordinated and the other isn't then you're screwed, but that's true of pretty much anything.dystopiaINC said:what makes you think i did just "run out and mindlessly die" last i checked none of my kits had any sort of smoke grenades available to me, also since battle field seems to lack special grenades like flash-bangs that was also an option i couldn't use but would certainly have done, and flanking? you think i didn't try? i certainly did however every approach i tried was either covered by said camper or else infested with the other side. this happened on the first set of objectives and the other teem some how manged to get themselves all over our default spawn and get to nice camping spots of their own while my idiot teem placed a Mobile spawn point past the two objectives and the Mobil spawn was pretty much the only place to spawn since my squad was sitting on top of it any way there was nowhere else too spawn. either with them and come under fire as soon as you spawn or else spawn far away, alone and surrounded by campers in the bushes. yes i tried both. multiple times. it was so bad when we did get the plants off nobody on their teem even tried to defuse them they were to focused on kills, that how we won. they did the same thing with the other points. all they did was find spots and camp for kills and not mind the objectives.ReiverCorrupter said:
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