All right, so here it goes.
aftohsix said:
Alright... The logical argument you're stating here being essentially: "I can kill adults in the game therefore it is laughably stupid to be against also being able to kill children in the game."
Not exactly. I don't find it laughably stupid to be against also being able to kill children in the game. I merely find it weird that people believe there to be such a huge difference in sociopathic options between the vanilla and modded game. It is weird to be able to kill kids in Skyrim, though the rest of the killing options aren't exactly normal or good either.
aftohsix said:
So basically your argument is: "Due to child killing in games being taboo in most cultures, it is bad and wrong". Killing adult human beings in games used to be somewhat taboo in the past as well, while it is completely normal and acceptable now. This is not the result of us currently living in a world completely devoid of ethics, morals and values (as you so put it), but merely us having become desensitized to the image of adults dying in entertainment. People not being desensitized to kids dying in videogames is in no way a bad thing, mind you.
My opinion on the matter, the one part in which I disagree with you, is that desensitization has no effect for me on what I find right or wrong. I refuse to download the mod because I am not desensitized to that kind of stuff (also it's illegal), not because I find it something to be an absolute wrong.
So in the end, my opinion does not differ much from the opinions of the anti-mod group, except for the fact that I find the option to completely massacre every single innocent adult or non-human creature as they run away in fear, dismember them and play with their bodies (et cetera) to be weird as well. I'll use your quote on this...It is not enough to kill dragons, bandits or other enemies for some people,
You want the ability to kill nearly every innocent person to be part of your escapism and it's fucking weird. Perhaps I'm alone on this, perhaps I should let desensitization affect my morals and values as well, but right now I don't. While I find the death of children in games to be more wrong than the death of adults, I do not see the one side as completely acceptable and normal and the other side as a horrifying thought.
I personally just don't find comments such as "I'm going to murder every innocent person" normal and not worth any attention while finding "I'm going to murder every innocent person, including kids" weird, unacceptable and whatnot. They're both weird as fuck to me.
aftohsix said:
Ultimately I view it as a stupid, pointless addition to the game.
So do I. I haven't downloaded it myself for multiple reasons I have already mentioned in my previous posts. Though I find my opinion on the mod irrelevant.
aftohsix said:
Lets say Fox News gets a hold of this. I love gaming. The last thing I want to see is another sensationalist news piece painting gamers as crazy psychopaths.
If Fox News wants to paint gamers as crazy psychopaths, they'll do so. It's not as if their news castings are covered with facts and not skewed or exaggerated immensely in any way. If they want to put gamers in a bad light, they'll do it, regardless of the ammo available.
aftohsix said:
My second issue is what is says about the players who are using it. I know gaming is all about rampant escapism and getting to do shit you wouldn't do in real life. Like a daydream you get to play. I play Skyrim to climb massive mountains and fight dragons with a sword. Stuff I don't get to do in real life. Color it however you like if you download and use the mod you're saying that fighting dragons isn't enough. You want the ability to kill children to be part of your escapism and it's fucking weird.
First of all, you're assuming that the majority of people download it solely so they can go on a child killing rampage. You may be right, but you have no evidence to base this on. Secondly, you are completely entitled to find it weird and I will agree with you in the cases that people download it solely to kill kids. This does not give you a green light to go all out on assuming things, be condescending and attacking the people who do download the mod. U am once again not saying that you do this, but this appears to be a very common sight in these threads. The other point I would like to bring up is brought up above and I do not want to repeat myself.
aftohsix said:
End of wall of text. Sorry. But maybe you're right. Maybe I should just how did you so eloquently put it? Shut the fuck up with my retarded argument.
That wasn't aimed at you. Have you read some of the threads "discussing" this matter? There's rarely any discussion to be found. Nearly all you will find is the pro-mod side coming with their arguments regarding immersion, indifference and from time to time wanting to kill kids, while the other side mostly consists out of people not liking it and it therefore being bad, constant ad hominem attacks and nearly nothing else.
There are very few posts that actually explain their viewpoint, as you have done here, which is why I hate this subject. I don't mind people liking or not liking the mod, to be quite honest I don't care as I firmly believe that the average gamer knows the difference between fantasy and reality and that violent game events have little to no dangerous effect on the player (at least I hope so. Or else we're fucked), but I will not attack either side. If people would discuss this subject as adults, I would love reading through the threads. Unfortunately, I have yet to see a thread regarding this subject that did actually move forward and not end up as a flame war.
I understand that my initial post came off as aggressive, I was merely somewhat irritated that either side has the nerve to look down upon the other based on their arguments, while neither side bring up a reasonable amount of reasonable posts to the table. It wasn't an attack at you directly, but simply what I believe is generally the state of this subject. I apologize if you took it as an insult.
