Chibz said:
nyysjan said:
What, isn't the consolization and "streamlining" of Deus Ex enough, must all computer games now have a console version.
Yeah. "Consolization". I don't buy it. I don't buy it at all.
Being on console doesn't mean a game will be dumbed down/etc. Any company that claims that the game has to be dumbed down for console is LYING TO YOU.
*Facepalm*
I'll make this really simple...
Lets look at an RTS, Can you make a good console version of Supreme commander without dumbing it down? Or lets take something simpler like command and conquer. Without it being frustrating to play, the answer is simply no, the standard control method for a console (Controller) does not play these games well.
Hence, a "Consolized" or console focused RTS has to be dumbed down and easy to play, with little focus on micro, hence we have Halo Wars, and dont tell me the game would have turned out like that if it was made with the PC in mind, as the earlier games those devs made (Ever heard of, I dont know, Age of Empires?) had a lot more going on than halo wars ever did.
Bottom line, A PC focused Halo Wars could have been a much more in depth and fun game rather than the very simple "All units" blobfest halo wars felt like.
This goes for multiple genres, not only does development for consoles in most cases limit how good the can look (Very few have the time to make a special version for the PC) and other restrictions such as the player cap on multiplayer.
There you go, "Consolization", it is by no measure the myth you think it is. I'm not trying to demonize consoles or anything, my "Gaming" pc is actually pretty mediocre and I can barely run Crysis 2 at minimum and even then with some lag, but still, trying to pretend like it doesn't exist just because it makes your preferred way to play look bad is BS.
And dont get me going on poor optimization, a lot of "PC" games these days are shitty ports. A good example is NFS:Shift 2, the PC version looks like crap on my mediocre rig and still runs at a lower frame-rate than GRID does, and I can run GRID near maxed out and I still haven't seen a better looking track based racing game. (Dirt does the dirt better thou)
Simply put, GRID, while also made for consoles had a proper PC version made while Shift had a low effort port, hence, consoles can be blamed for encouraging the way shift 2 went, this also fits under "Consolization".
Should I go on? I could do this all day, I have way more bones to pick...
Dertex said:
nyysjan said:
Erana said:
OK, fine. Keep it PC exclusive. You just have to promise the console gamers that, if its a good game, you'll help make enough sales for them to make a Console port, OK?
What, isn't the consolization and "streamlining" of Deus Ex enough, must all computer games now have a console version.
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Prefferably, yes. Then I can also play them.
But to make things clear, I am in no way saying that there should not be console versions of games, but if things have to be cut or "Streamlined*" for it to work on the console, then the console should get the short stick.
*And remember, "Streamlined" is also a PR word for "Dumbing down for the simple minded", It's supposed to mean removing unnecessary hassle but is more likely to mean that they are just cutting things.
