Dark Knight Rises Shooting Leaves 12 Dead
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Hornet0404 said:Boom.Tanis said:
Godwin's Law has once again been met.
Also I don't think that it's as much Gun Control to keep guns out of the hands of crooks but more to make it easier to lock them up (for possessing illegal firearms).
It is also true that in a "open" society it is impossible to prohibit things, it just creates a black market and encourages more crime. study the war on drugs for a text book case of trying to ban things in an open border nation.
Besides we need guns to overthrow our government
, our forefathers said so because you know they kicked out an oppressive government that was overtaxing them, restricting their right to arm themselves, and telling them who and where they could meet and what they could talk about etc.Plus i do not want to even bring up how every dictator pretty much disarmed his people before he took power, and the ego on some of our politicians and the idea of one of them getitng ideas of bigger better things is not out of the question.
I do not think anyone that is pro guns, is arguing that mentally insane people should be armed at all, but we have gun laws in place to regulate things like felons getting guns, mentally ill getting guns, and bottom line on top of that if someone really wants a gun there is a way to get one reguardless.
banning them would simply make them more expensive, and make them very attractive to organized crime, unless someone seriously wants to try and convince me we can shut down every square inch of our border, then you have to convince me the politicians would even do it because some of them like those illegals voting and paying taxes and etc.
Hitler didn't have to ban guns, the Weimar government that preceded him already had six years prior. Mostly because the Nazis and the Communists kept having running gun battles in the streets.Tanis said:
Do you actually know no one in the theatre was armed? It might not have helped necessarily: there was an armed deputy [http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm] at Columbine High School who exchanged shots with Harris but didn't manage to stop him. This might have also been a situation where the pistol-packing deputy couldn't match a shooter with a rifle. What's your solution for that? Should people be allowed to carry rifles into enclosed public spaces?Tanis said:
Say a half-dozen people in that theatre were carrying concealed weapons, and pulled them out when they heard gunshots. What do you think the chances are they might have targeted one another instead of the actual shooter?
I'm actually not a knee-jerk "ban all guns" person. I'm okay with civilians owning and using guns in certain circumstances. But I'm equally opposed to ridiculous "armed citizens solve all problems" rhetoric.Tanis said:
This is why we need to ban guns...Tanis said:
People fight each other one way or another. With guns involved, there's simply a bigger mess.
It's ironic you brought that up, because following that massacre, the Government at the time introduced tough new gun laws, and there hasn't been a massacre of its size in Australia since.Baldr said:
Thanks for proving our point for us.
No of course not, it's never the time that's the problem. It's much easier for those with the agenda to sweep the issue under the rug under the guise of "prudence for the victims", but I tell you what; the moment those same victims move from grief to anger, you will be hearing a lot more of it.UNHchabo said:
And this is one reason I advocate for the death penalty. I for one don't want my tax dollars to fund a mass murderer's life. As for gun control stuffs, I am always an advocate for less stringent regulation on firearms. However, I do understand that guns don't solve the world's problems. Take this shooting incident from a while back. Supposedly 200 officers and SWAT responded on this incident, and they still had 11 casualties. Moral of the story: don't cut police budget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
Seems to work pretty well over here in the UK. Although disarming everyone in the USA would be a nigh-impossible task now unfortunately.Tanis said:
I will admit that this sort of thing is one of the reasons I'm against the death penalty. To do this there is clearly something psychologically wrong with the man and I'd rather not punish him because of some faulty wiring in his brain. I accept that he possibly won't fall under "has difficulty functioning" type of insane, but there is something up with the way he thinks. I just think he should be locked up away from everyone else to prevent it happening again and, if at all possible, treated.the doom cannon said:
I read about this but am also a bit unsurprised, growing up I wondered why these people never attacked crowded events. My heart goes out to the victims but i felt a bit prepared for this kind of thing.
Well ... Apparently Jessica Redfield, who witnessed the Eaton Centre shooting seven weeks ago, is among the casualties in Aurora ...
