Dark Knight Rises Shooting Leaves 12 Dead

[Duckman]

To everyone demanding gun control: Fuck off
To everyone demanding everyone be armed: Fuck off

Now that I got that out of the way, I have to question how this is being handled. I know it's a young story still, and the details are scrambled at best. My problem is that with so little information, this is easily the most popular story I've seen all day. And for all the wrong reasons...

Using an event like this to push a particular agenda is disgusting to me, and anyone trying to do so should be wildly ashamed of themselves. But what do I know? I'm just from the internet.

 

[C2Ultima]

This is kind of harrowing for me living in Colorado. I was at a midnight showing of the movie 15 miles away from this incident. Absolutely horrible.

 

[Ignatz_Zwakh]

Fuck. That all I can really say. Fuck that some bastard decided "Hey, I'm going to waltz into some place where people are enjoying themselves and fucking CAP them! Why? I don't fucking know why, maybe because I'm miserable and THEY should be!"

Ah bollocks.

 

[Chatboy 91]

Why am I not surprised that this devolved into a gun control debate in less than a page? Just going to say this: No amount of gun control law is going to stop criminals from acquiring and using firearms for illegitimate purposes. You're only making it more difficult for the normal citizen trying to get a firearm for legal purposes.

 

[MrFalconfly]

Boom.

Godwin's Law has once again been met.

Also I don't think that it's as much Gun Control to keep guns out of the hands of crooks but more to make it easier to lock them up (for possessing illegal firearms).

It is also true that in a "open" society it is impossible to prohibit things, it just creates a black market and encourages more crime. study the war on drugs for a text book case of trying to ban things in an open border nation.

Besides we need guns to overthrow our government , our forefathers said so because you know they kicked out an oppressive government that was overtaxing them, restricting their right to arm themselves, and telling them who and where they could meet and what they could talk about etc.

Plus i do not want to even bring up how every dictator pretty much disarmed his people before he took power, and the ego on some of our politicians and the idea of one of them getitng ideas of bigger better things is not out of the question.

I do not think anyone that is pro guns, is arguing that mentally insane people should be armed at all, but we have gun laws in place to regulate things like felons getting guns, mentally ill getting guns, and bottom line on top of that if someone really wants a gun there is a way to get one reguardless.

banning them would simply make them more expensive, and make them very attractive to organized crime, unless someone seriously wants to try and convince me we can shut down every square inch of our border, then you have to convince me the politicians would even do it because some of them like those illegals voting and paying taxes and etc.

Well there we have the completely different issue of our respective countries (and their following history and culture). I mean I live in Denmark and I have a sneaking suspicion that it is because of the Danish culture that I can only see firearms in the hands of either Police or Military personnel (or crooks, and then there's hunters but they only use hunting rifles like the Model 700 or shotguns with room for two shells).

 

[Squaseghost]

Queue all the conservative Americans who'll claim that this attack is in no way a just cause for tighter gun control. Rather the opposite. After all, if everyone had guns you'd have less shootings wouldn't you?

It's times like these I'm extremely pleased to live in Australia.

Well If I were in that theater, I know I'd have shot him down.

 

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but we have gun laws in place to regulate things ....mentally ill getting guns, ...

I agree, those laws preventing mentally ill people from owning guns are a model for the rest of the world to follow.

 

[Albino Boo]

Why did they cancel the Paris Premiere?
This had nothing to do with Batman, there have been shootings all over the place
It's just TOO.
FUCKING.
HOT!

There is a human emotion called empathy I suggest you look it up.

Could you please direct me to the part of that post where I apparently said all the victim's families can all go fuck themselves? Canceling the premiere isn't a show of solidarity, it's just keeping up appearances. As I said there have already been several mass shootings this week, but the only reason THIS one is geting an article is because of the movie they were seeing. Now THAT is a lack of empathy.

Yeah of course the actors attending the premier are automatons and don't have any human feelings. Its not like poeple who paid money to attend a late night premier weren't just brutally murdered. Those actors will just sip champaign as they saunter down the red carpet posing for photographs not thinking about the random shootings at all. So if you want to use swear word like the big important man that you are LOOK UP THE FUCKING MEANING OF EMPATHY. You might not have any but its one of those things you need to be good actor, the ability put put yourself in others place and understand what they are feeling.

 

[Quazimofo]

awaiting crazy theories about the motives on why someone would do such a horrible act like blaming the movie, video games, and the need for stricter gun control.

he would need one HELL of an explanation in order to justify this. anything short of a 500 page epic detailing exactly why he did what he did isnt enough to spare him. if he doesn't get executed, then at the very least life in high security prison for this man. sanity be damned, you dont just kill 12 people and get away with it.

also, you cant blame people for citing examples like this for need for stricter gun control, because they do make a fair point. i support stricter gun control, in no small part due to things such as this, but this is not a thread about that, so my comments on the matter end with this post

 

[Tiamat666]

*waits for the 'those people' to start preaching 'this is why we need to ban guns' crap*

It's purile and juvenile responses like this that allowed this, Columbine, Virginia Tech and every other massacre to happen in the first place.

Picture is a LITTLE old, but the point still stands...

I'll tell you this:
If just two or three people in that theater were armed, and went through the proper training...there would probably be a LOT less bodies.

The only thing strict gun control laws do is disarm LAW FOLLOWING CITIZENS.
IF a crazy person or a scum bag wants a weapon, they-will-find-a-way-to-get-it.

NORMAL PEOPLE DON'T DO CRAP LIKE THIS.
It's childish to think that 'banning all the guns' will stop criminals, or prevent massacres.

Yes, enjoy your paranoid existence and watch out... everyone is out to get you.

Meanwhile, I feel quite happy knowing that I live in Europe, a land where not every nuthead can go to the next convenience store and arm himself with deadly weapons. Thank you very much.

 

[Allthingsspectacular]

What I want to know is: how the **** did this punk get an automatic weapon?

 

[Carnagath]

Queue all the conservative Americans who'll claim that this attack is in no way a just cause for tighter gun control. Rather the opposite. After all, if everyone had guns you'd have less shootings wouldn't you?

It's times like these I'm extremely pleased to live in Australia.

Well If I were in that theater, I know I'd have shot him down.

According to the more recent reports, the guy was wearing full body armor that included throat and groin protection, so he was obviously well prepared for the fact that someone in the audience might be armed. What you would have done if you were in the theater, is die. Maybe if you were armed with an RPG you would have taken him down though. Americans really should start selling those in Walmarts, after all YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF.

 

[Petromir]

Queue all the conservative Americans who'll claim that this attack is in no way a just cause for tighter gun control. Rather the opposite. After all, if everyone had guns you'd have less shootings wouldn't you?

It's times like these I'm extremely pleased to live in Australia.

Well If I were in that theater, I know I'd have shot him down.

Experience of low light firefights have you?

From Blankfire training exercises with the reserve forces I can tell you there few things as disorientating as a firefight in the dark, and thats in a field mailes from anywhere where everyone around you is well drilled and acting according to training. When theres paniking civilians and cinema gunfight going on on screen its far from easy. This guy has a huge advantage, he needent worry about whos a target and whats not, everybody is to him.

 

[Chatboy 91]

What I want to know is: how the **** did this punk get an automatic weapon?

Rifle != Automatic weapon

I have seen no mention anywhere of him using an automatic rifle. Judging from the description of the event he was using a simple semi-automatic.

 

[Carnagath]

In all honesty, people will still find a way to kill others. I'd rather die from a bullet than knife.

And I'd rather die from a tactical nuke shockwave, it would be an infinitely more glorious way to go. Do you have some sort of point?

 

[Kelgair]

Queue all the conservative Americans who'll claim that this attack is in no way a just cause for tighter gun control. Rather the opposite. After all, if everyone had guns you'd have less shootings wouldn't you?

It's times like these I'm extremely pleased to live in Australia.

Well If I were in that theater, I know I'd have shot him down.

According to the more recent reports, the guy was wearing full body armor that included throat and groin protection, so he was obviously well prepared for the fact that someone in the audience might be armed. What you would have done if you were in the theater, is die. Maybe if you were armed with an RPG you would have taken him down though. Americans really should start selling those in Walmarts, after all YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF.

From quite a few posts on this thread so far it's obvious some people don't believe those movie-goers had the right to defend themselves from a criminal psychopath who obviously didn't care about gun laws. Depressing really. And only the truly ignorant would erect a strawman about RPGs with regards to body armor. It's a goddamn tragedy people, let the police do at least some investigation before you jump on your opportunistic band-wagons.

 

[Artemis923]

This is like...that movie Rampage, made flesh.

That's a terrifying thought.

And all the anti-gun drivel flying around...

Gun control hurts law abiding citizens, not criminals. End of story.

 

[Carnagath]

Queue all the conservative Americans who'll claim that this attack is in no way a just cause for tighter gun control. Rather the opposite. After all, if everyone had guns you'd have less shootings wouldn't you?

It's times like these I'm extremely pleased to live in Australia.

Well If I were in that theater, I know I'd have shot him down.

According to the more recent reports, the guy was wearing full body armor that included throat and groin protection, so he was obviously well prepared for the fact that someone in the audience might be armed. What you would have done if you were in the theater, is die. Maybe if you were armed with an RPG you would have taken him down though. Americans really should start selling those in Walmarts, after all YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF.

From quite a few posts on this thread so far it's obvious some people don't believe those movie-goers had the right to defend themselves from a criminal psychopath who obviously didn't care about gun laws. Depressing really. And only the truly ignorant would erect a strawman about RPGs with regards to body armor. It's a goddamn tragedy people, let the police do at least some investigation before you jump on your opportunistic band-wagons.

You ignore the fact that you cannot actually defend yourself from a lunatic armed with teargas cannisters, an AR-15 and a full suit of body armor. How convenient for you.

 

[FEichinger]

Now this is an interesting idea ...

According to CNN, the shooter pretended to be the Joker.