DC Comics Rebooting Entire Universe Back to #1
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I'm not sure if I should be intrigued or pissed off by this. Then again, this is what, the third time DC as made a massive retcon to its universe?
I'm not sure if I should be intrigued or pissed off by this. Then again, this is what, the third time DC as made a massive retcon to its universe?
Perfect! This couldn't have come at a better time for me. I've only recently (just a couple of months back) got into comics, yet I stayed clear of DC purely because of the sheer volume of stuff I'd have to buy for catch-up. This means I'll be able to get into them properly, maybe even convince a few of my friends to as well.
I know it'll upset a lot of people, and true, I probably will try and get hold of some of the older stuff anyway, but on the whole this looks to be a good idea.
I know it'll upset a lot of people, and true, I probably will try and get hold of some of the older stuff anyway, but on the whole this looks to be a good idea.
Well, let's hope that one of the things DC stops doing in their all-universe reboot is ALL THE GODDAMN KILLING. Do I even need to mention Countdown To Final Crisis (which was so horrible that the guy(s) who wrote Final Crisis COMPLETELY IGNORED IT while writing it), which could have just been re-named "Pointless Shit and Killing, the 51-Issue Mini-Series." This is a simple concept, DC Editorial. Write interesting stories about the characters and we will want to read them. We do not want to see people and superheroes getting killed in a pointless fashion where the only point is to be a shock moment in a story, good or bad.
Actually, that's another thing comic companies need to address; their editors playing writer. An editor's job is to correct punctuation and spelling and make sure everything is consistent on an artistic and writing level. Their job does not include "writing the stories and/or dictating how a character arc is supposed to flow." If editors want to be writers, fine, write a story. No problem. Just don't do it where you're messing with a previously-established storyline or character. When editors try to play writer, it ends up never working and being universally hated. Example, remember That Mini-Series I Mentioned In The Last Paragraph Which Shall Never Be Addressed By Name Ever Again, or as I like to call it, TMSIMITLPWSNBABNEA (just rolls right off the tongue, don't it)? Yeah, that was completely editorially mandated the entire way because DC Editor-In-Chief Dan Didido (and I do apologize for any misspelling or calling out the wrong guy) hated the previous weekly mini-series (which was far, far better) 52 for no adequately-explained reason other than the fact he's a damn moron and that TMSIMITLPWSNBABNEA was, and I kid you not, "52 done right" because the editor got to control the story as opposed to the WRITERS. Y'know, THE PEOPLE WHOSE JOB IT IS TO WRITE STORIES.
Sorry if this came off as a rant, and I know Marvel, and I assume Image and Dark Horse, has problems with pointless killing and editorial interference (perfect example, Joe Quesada and One More Day), but it's just so much easier to find in the DC Universe.
Actually, that's another thing comic companies need to address; their editors playing writer. An editor's job is to correct punctuation and spelling and make sure everything is consistent on an artistic and writing level. Their job does not include "writing the stories and/or dictating how a character arc is supposed to flow." If editors want to be writers, fine, write a story. No problem. Just don't do it where you're messing with a previously-established storyline or character. When editors try to play writer, it ends up never working and being universally hated. Example, remember That Mini-Series I Mentioned In The Last Paragraph Which Shall Never Be Addressed By Name Ever Again, or as I like to call it, TMSIMITLPWSNBABNEA (just rolls right off the tongue, don't it)? Yeah, that was completely editorially mandated the entire way because DC Editor-In-Chief Dan Didido (and I do apologize for any misspelling or calling out the wrong guy) hated the previous weekly mini-series (which was far, far better) 52 for no adequately-explained reason other than the fact he's a damn moron and that TMSIMITLPWSNBABNEA was, and I kid you not, "52 done right" because the editor got to control the story as opposed to the WRITERS. Y'know, THE PEOPLE WHOSE JOB IT IS TO WRITE STORIES.
Sorry if this came off as a rant, and I know Marvel, and I assume Image and Dark Horse, has problems with pointless killing and editorial interference (perfect example, Joe Quesada and One More Day), but it's just so much easier to find in the DC Universe.
I give it two months. Two months with all the loyal fans ragequitting before DC says "gotcha!" and say it was an "Age of X" deal all along. Maybe this'll be good to bring a few new readers along, but this is the dumbest move I can think of for a comic book company to make. Continuity is everything for the fans.
And I'd like to clear something up real quick here. If you are getting into comics, you don't need to get into all the backstory to enjoy a book. Find a good writer, start at the beginning of his run, and anything you need to know will be explained during the story. I don't get how people who go to movies, most of which don't start at the main character's childhood trauma but fill you in when the story demands, can't get this. If you read a story about Spider-Man/the Green Goblin, you will learn about the goblin killing Spidey's first love.
And I'd like to clear something up real quick here. If you are getting into comics, you don't need to get into all the backstory to enjoy a book. Find a good writer, start at the beginning of his run, and anything you need to know will be explained during the story. I don't get how people who go to movies, most of which don't start at the main character's childhood trauma but fill you in when the story demands, can't get this. If you read a story about Spider-Man/the Green Goblin, you will learn about the goblin killing Spidey's first love.
If this splits into an Ultimate continuity like Marvel made, it would be OK for bringing in new readers. If not, then I can see a lot of bad fallout from a chunk of the fans out there.
However, I will give DC this: At least they're not killing off all their characters to start this reboot. If they were doing that instead, then there would be justification for mass hatred.
However, I will give DC this: At least they're not killing off all their characters to start this reboot. If they were doing that instead, then there would be justification for mass hatred.
Lol I love this, and I love that Marvels Tom Brevoort just basically said, "Stop buying DC comics since nothing will count until September".
But I do believe this is a smart choice, the whole backlog of continuity has always been the bane of American comics, Hoping this incites new readers to start up comics in general.
But I do believe this is a smart choice, the whole backlog of continuity has always been the bane of American comics, Hoping this incites new readers to start up comics in general.
Well since most fans will ***** about anything DC does, I dont see how this will affect them one bit, The comics industry has become so niche it has been an unsustainable Business for decades now, if it wasnt for the Marketing potential of their IPs, the comics industry would have died a long time ago.AgentBJ09 said:
I totally agree with you, 52 was great, whereas countdown to Final Crisis was just...ugh. I mean I did enjoy reading Final Crisis, but the lead up to it was just so bland. Unless the editor wants to sit down and write the stories himself, he should leave the stories up to the actual writers, because that's what they're employed to do.The Great JT said:
I'm a massive comic fan, but I am glad they're doing this sort of, I'd prefer that they just did a split continuity ala Marvel Ultimate, if only because I'm enjoying the current Batman storyline, and I want it resolved rather than to just be forced to stop. The only thing I have a slight gripe with is THomas Wayne being Batman now instead of Bruce,(mainly because I've had a massive man crush on Batman since I was a small child watching TAS) but I trust the writers to handle it providing Dan Dider doesn't make them do something stupid.boag said:
Like I said earlier, this just means I don;t have to have crazy string and paper diagrams up any more to trace my way through the Batman continuity if I want to read a very large story arc that you can't just get in one collected edition.
Batman is Thomas Wayne as opposed to Bruce in this new universe, so it stands to reason that he would look a bit older, I'm not sure how old Supes would be when Bruce was 11, but I guess we can assume Thomas would be in his late/mid 30s and Superman to be "younger" than Thomas Wayne.marscentral said:
3 words:
NOT BUYING IT
I don't mean I'm not going to purchase these, though since the only DC I've read consistantly in years is Green Lantern, that's probably true. I mean I doubt this is much more than a big stunt. There's been too much work in the DCU in the last decade in building and [re]establishing new characters and orders to just sweep it all under the rug.
Besides, full reboots like that don't fix things. Given the comic writers' natural tendancy to draw upon the old source, it just becomes an endless stream of nudge and wink in jokes. Think Spider-Man 3. He saves a girl who for all intents and purposes is unimportant, but oooh, we named her Gwen Stacey. Oooh she's important, Ooooh, foreshadowing events. At least, to the die hard fans that's the case. Non fans (ie: anyone who's knowledge comes from the old cartoon show) probably haven't heard of her.
NOT BUYING IT
I don't mean I'm not going to purchase these, though since the only DC I've read consistantly in years is Green Lantern, that's probably true. I mean I doubt this is much more than a big stunt. There's been too much work in the DCU in the last decade in building and [re]establishing new characters and orders to just sweep it all under the rug.
Besides, full reboots like that don't fix things. Given the comic writers' natural tendancy to draw upon the old source, it just becomes an endless stream of nudge and wink in jokes. Think Spider-Man 3. He saves a girl who for all intents and purposes is unimportant, but oooh, we named her Gwen Stacey. Oooh she's important, Ooooh, foreshadowing events. At least, to the die hard fans that's the case. Non fans (ie: anyone who's knowledge comes from the old cartoon show) probably haven't heard of her.
As far as I know, this kind of thing already didn't work for Marvel. But, on the other hand, they released the Ultimate comics alongside the regular ones.
Anyway, this is still interesting news. Is that image supposed to be the new design, though? Because it looks suspiciously... exactly the same as the old one.
Anyway, this is still interesting news. Is that image supposed to be the new design, though? Because it looks suspiciously... exactly the same as the old one.
Fhtagn! I want this!Flailing Escapist said:They already released their first cover, it looks like this:
