DC Says One Of Its"Iconic" Heroes Is Gay

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huser

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Furioso said:
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Well the only reason they would do this would be a shallow ploy to raise interest in a character, most likely one that isn't doing so well... yup it's Aquaman
Aquaman isn't doing as bad as you think. He's at number 12 and only lost a quarter of his audience since the relaunch. Flash on the other hand has lost over half of his audience since reboot. Aquaman might be C list but the number show that what they've been doing with him lately is working.

If you want to verify the number just look here
http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/05/09/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-march-2012/
Really? But Aquaman seems like such a lame character... oh well, no matter who it is the fan outrage will be hilarious
But why? What of the character's history, motivations, etc make him "such a lame character?" I mean Grant Morrison's version was pretty much the epitome of badass.
As far as I can figure, he can be dealt with if the criminals just operate somewhere inland
Sure, if those criminals can deal with a superstrong and borderline bulletproof fighter with psychic powers second to J'onn, sufficient to turn off parts of their brains (hence why I brought up the Grant Morrison version). Which is why I harp on the groupthink brought on by the Super Friends, where "everyone" knows all he can do is talk to fish and ride a seahorse. That was a lame version of a comic character from a lame 70's cartoon. The comic version, which is what would be discussed here is pretty badass, just overshadowed by the literal gods (and due to fandom even Bat-God) on the JLA.

This of course also blinds most of the writers (who most likely grew up on Super Friends cartoons) where Aquaman is canonically shown as being able to go just under Mach 1 under water making him not only a low end speedster (not sure why the physical ability to swim fast couldn't be adapted to land movement for a humanoid being), but also immensely strong and durable. Probably far more than is actually regularly shown. Heck, between those physical abilities, the need for a strongly developed kinesthetic sense and 3D awareness, and his superior senses in the dark, he's probably a better Bat-Family city patroller than most of the Bat-family. It's why I shake my head at dramatic power changes to the character trying to spruce him up, he'd be a monster if writers would stop trying to reconcile their (or pop culture's) memories of a 40 year old cartoon even without pulling in the fact he has dominion over the 1500 states of Atlantis and all it's high end magic/tech/sunken relics (King Arthur anyone?)
 

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As long as it's not Batman, I don't care about this little stunt.

It's not gonna be Superman, he's married to Lois.

It's obviously going to be Aquaman or one of the women.
It's obviously NOT going to be one of the women..."one of the women" can't even name any, eh? Way to go. Anywho they've already stated it's going to be a male character.

I'm leaning towards it not being Aquaman unless they want to being more attention to him but I really don't think that'd be the way to do it.

And srsly why would it be so bad if it was Batman? How much time does he actually spend chasing tail anyway? He's so damn busy I don't think it'd make much of a difference.
 

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My problem with this is that they'll most likely have to retcon/introduce another character as gay just so they can shoe-horn a love-interest in there somewhere.
 

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Not Batman (him and cat woman make me say hes straight).
Superman has had whole TV shows built around him and Lois.
Aqua has had series were he was married with kids.
Green Arrow, he is gay.
 

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^Green Arrow is all over Black Canary

Then again, men who have been married with children have come out too, so that all means nothing.

But let's be serious, they aren't going to mess with Batman or Superman, no way, no how.

"he is considered an "iconic" level character"

That can mean a LOT of people actually, Shazam or whoever the current Dr. Fate is even.
 

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In the first issue of new 52 catwoman her an bats have some hot sex so no Batman my bets is captain marvel since its an as yet introduced hero.an for the record someone wanting there favorite super to stay straight is no different than someone else wanting there's to be gay they are not homophobic for this. Would you call someone straightphobic for wanting a Typically straight hero to be gay. No why people are such hypocrites on the political correctness thing ill never get.everyone has this right straight or not straight alike.
 

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I wonder if they have a broader view of who is iconic than we do. The shortlist here is only a handful, but there are plenty more characters that could be said to be iconic. I can't imagine it would be any of the biggest names, it's too much of a fanbase to risk. The Flash is more likely, or someone sidekick-like.
 

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Alright, here is a thought if nobody has tried this yet. Let's approach it from a matter of process of elimination. As this is a publicity stunt, an "Iconic" character is going to have to be someone that most people will have heard of, rather than someone known mostly to serious comic book readers. Basically someone like Doctor Fate is unlikely because your average person is liable to have absolutly no idea who the heck Doctor Fate is for it to have any meaning. Nor is it someone that the gay community could really get much cred for being able to tout, since few people (including the gays themselves) will probably have heard of it.


For the sake of simplicity I think we can eliminate Green Arrow, Superman, and Batman right off the bat. The reason is that I don't think DC could retcon those characters as gay if it wanted to. Those rights have all been sold to multiple parties. We have Batman movies planned up the wazoo (apparently the next movie series after the Nolanverse concludes has been being planned), Superman is apparently up for another movie attempt and allegedly another TV series as Smallville concluded, and apparently there is a Green Arrow TV series on the way since the character was fairly popular in Smallville. Even if some of this doesn't materalize it's all been being planned out for years, and represents tons of potential money. While the whole "the hero is now gay" thing will genrate publicity, it could play havoc with these plans, and create problems with the guys who hold the rights. After all if they are writing a whole series of TV shows about Green Arrow, playing him up for the ladies (I guess part of it was girls liked the character in Smallville, even if this is probably going to be a differant version) and spending tons of money getting it ready, suddenly outing him as gay and having all these comic shop posters of him smootching guys or however they plan to promote it could play some serious havoc. I could even see lawsuits over that kind of thing... and it would be a big mess. The same applies to all three of those. Basically if DC has been shopping the rights around out there, or already sold them, and you've been hearing serious discussion of new IPs around the character, DC isn't going to do this with that character.

Heroes I'm pretty sure DC doesn't have any rights to in current circulation for TV, movies, etc... are The Flash, Aquaman (he was in Smallville, but the plans for a TV show apparently didn't pan out, and I don't think anyone holds that option or had plans), Cyborg, Martian Manhunter, and some of the lesser Green Lanterns are all potentially up for grabs. I'm pretty sure that despite the horrible performance of the Green Lantern movie, the rights are still being held since I believe they grabbed it for multiple movies, anticipating it being the next big thing. So if they have a gay green lantern, it's not likely to be "The" Green Lantern (Hal Jordan).

At any rate, following this chain of logic, who else can people eliminate based on how this could affect IP deals DC is already involved in? It's especially relevent is a project was under works or the rights had been sold/brokered long before DC's annoucement.

Whether you think it's bigoted, and wrong or not, in your mind if a character being gay could say affect a box office performance and get a company like Warner Brothers pissed off enough to try and go after DC for money, chances are it's not happening.
 

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I doubt it will be batman, 3 main reasons:

1) if he was gay for robin it would make him a pedophile, DC wanna shake things up a bit, but thats taking it too far... also the current robin is his son i believe, so it would be even worse.

2) Selina Kyle

3) Talia Al-Ghul

Me and my mate have had a think on it our hottest candidate is Wally West, since he is only one of the flashes to have made next to no appearance since the new 52 reboot. He has a wife and kids but that would just make for a potentially awesome story-line (if handled correctly of course). The moral dilemma of his "coming out" would be really interesting to read as he struggled with letting his family down and worrying about how his friends in say the JSA would think of him for letting them down. It almost wouldn't be about him being gay as the same thing would happen had he fallen in love with a woman, so wouldn't be doing much to either negatively or positively portraying gays (thus not deliberately pissing people off).

Either that or Capt. Marvel goes through puberty and realizes that he still thinks girls are gross :p
 

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John Funk said:
I just hope it isn't Aquaman. Making the "joke" superhero gay would feel like a pretty sleazy thing to do.
iirc, before the reboot, Aquaman was married.

If they did this, rest assured, there would be soooooooo much fanrage.
 

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John Funk said:
I just hope it isn't Aquaman. Making the "joke" superhero gay would feel like a pretty sleazy thing to do.
Why do people think Aquaman is a joke character,because he talks to fish?
Its not like he is completely useless outside of water.
 

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I don't really follow comic books (I've tried but I just don't have the money for that particular black hole) but if I had to guess probably Green Lantern. Making Wonder Woman gay is a fruit hanging so low it's practically hit the ground, and unless they make Aquaman no longer DC's joke character making him gay would be pretty low.
 

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Just read an article (in the newspaper, so no link) that the re-imagined "coming out" hero hasn't been seen since the New 52 started. This leaves four "iconic" superheroes: The Spectre, Plastic Man, Powergirl, and The Question (II). Since the "he" pronoun has come up, that leaves only The Spectre and Plastic Man. My money's on the stretchy one.

The idea of a lesbian Powergirl seems tons better. Oh well, you play the hand you are dealt.

I'm a middle-aged adult and haven't read any comics since my mid twenties. The article also said that Colossus is gay?!?! Poor Kitty. What will Lockheed think? (Yes. It has been a while.)
 

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This just sounds like they're trying to cash in on how homosexuality is no longer a bad thing. And when something goes from bad to fine, then using that in your media is considered amazing. If this character has been around for 50 years, and this isn't one of the alternate continuities, then it just seems silly to me. Why does the sexuality of a superhero, of all things, need to be brought up? They have above human powers, and people care about what gender they want to fuck? Plenty of them aren't even human.
This seems so juvenile to me. It holds no artistic purpose or otherwise; all it is, is DC going 'Hey, gays! Look! This character's gay now! Aren't we so in with the times and non discriminatory, and doesn't it just make you want to buy our new 52 comics?'.
 

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I am calling Martian Manhunter, but that's based almost entirely off my experience with Justice League (cartoon).

Superman = Lois Lane, Green Arrow = Black Canary, Batman = various, and for a time, Wonder Woman, Flash = any woman that moves, Jean = . . . ???

The only time he was with someone was with an old lady as he tried to connect to humanity. Wasn't with her for the sex most likely.

I know, there's a shit ton of other stuff in the comics out there so I could easily be wrong. Still, that's my call.
 

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I will say that when it comes to superheroes, one of the hugest things about them is that you want to be them.

Usually, you want to be your favorite superhero, because that person is so incredibly cool to you, but when you're a heterosexual, it's usually incredibly harder to want to be someone you know is gay.

Which would be fine if this were a new superhero that just happened to be gay, but when you do this to an already existing superhero, you're taking that aspect away from his already existing fans.

It doesn't matter if it's official. George Lucas already showed us that if you do something like this to someone or something a large group of people admire, it will cause an uproar and I can already see it happening. :/