Dead or Alive 5 Director: A Lot of Fans Want Bigger Breasts

[RJ 17]

"If you have a solid fighting game system there, there's nothing wrong with having beautiful characters as a layer on top of that -- that's another layer of entertainment that there's a need for.

Another layer of entertainment...well that's one way to put it.

Look, DoA is known for one thing: jiggle-physics. It's the series' trademark. Hell, the term "jiggle-phyics" was created by the DoA series. If you take jiggle-physics out of a fighting game that is described as "paper-rock-scissors with jiggle-phyics", all you're left with is "paper-rock-scissors", and people don't want to pay $60 for something they can do for free with their friends. Sure, Yahtzee might make fun of you for how absurd the notion of a top-heavy kunoichi is, but indeed: that's what the core fanbase of the series has come to expect - and want - from you, and alienating your core fanbase is never a good idea.

 

[Playful Pony]

Spoiler

Some of my male friends have talked about this anime thing, and mentioned how it's about "zombies and so cool" and they watch it because of the zombies. A female anime fan call bullshit on this every time they bring it up, and a massive argument is had. I don't watch anime. I have no idea what they are talking about, but I now know who I believe more XD.

At least I think it's this one they talk about... There are zombies right? I only saw boobs dodging bullets...

[small]I want a penis dodging bullets too...[/small]

 

[Zhukov]

JUST MAKE THEM BLOODY NAKED AND BE DONE WITH IT.

And add... oh, I dunno... cunnilingus fatalities or something. It is a fighting game, right?

 

[Krantos]

Being a gamer will continue to be considered fringe, probably for the rest of time

This is the only part of your rant I have a problem with. Well, problem is probably too strong a word. I just don't think that prediction can be justified.

Gaming has become too widespread. It's almost as ubiquitous as watching television anymore. The time will come, probably pretty soon, where it's just accepted. Fox News will probably continue to bang on about it for a few years afterwards, but that'll likely be it.

As gaming becomes more and more commonplace, people will just accept it. It won't be a conscious thing, but it will happen. After all, how can you continue to marginalize a group that is actually a majority.

A common counter-example people often bring up is comics. Comics (in their current form) have been around since the early 20th century, but have never seen widespread acceptance. Why do I think gaming will be different? Simply because comics were never as widely popular as gaming is now. I've seen a statistic that 90% of males age 15-25 (in America) play video games regularly. While I don't know if that particular statistic is true, I think it's pretty close to the mark.

With that many people playing games, gaming as a hobby will eventually just become normal, like watching TV. It won't be a conscious thing, it will just happen. It will be absorbed into normative society.

I know some gamers like to think of themselves as outsiders, but that's increasingly becoming less and less true. They may still be outsiders, but it's no longer because of gaming.

 

[Gearhead mk2]

Personally, I would prefer it if the look of a work was decided by artists, designers and the people that make the character models rather then douchebag chavs and jocks with IQ's lower than their age, but maybe that's just because I REALLY detest the whole idea of "sex sells". Even on the stuff I like, knowing that there's a large amount of people who are just playing it because OMG TITS makes me feel dirty. Looking at you Makoto.

 

[Arizona Kyle]

They've got it all wrong, it's not the size that matters but the quality of the jiggle physics. They need to innovate in that space instead.

They should take notes from this. I don't think it's possible to top it for sheer absurdity in either size or jiggliness. People have done extended analyses of it trying to work out the physics involved and come to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

Spoiler

holy shit i forgot about that dude seeing that for the first time i thought

WTF zombie Apocalypse and you dont have a knife
You are a horrible shot
Kill yourself

oh ya backstory on that girl is wearing a harness for a sniper rifle and it wont come off so he lays her down and shoots the rifle off her chest

 

[Arizona Kyle]

Spoiler

Some of my male friends have talked about this anime thing, and mentioned how it's about "zombies and so cool" and they watch it because of the zombies. A female anime fan call bullshit on this every time they bring it up, and a massive argument is had. I don't watch anime. I have no idea what they are talking about, but I now know who I believe more XD.

At least I think it's this one they talk about... There are zombies right? I only saw boobs dodging bullets...

[small]I want a penis dodging bullets too...[/small]

im not so sure that would be entertaining.... simply for the fact that something would get blown off..... on second thought that would be AWESOME

i have seen the show and its... ok its like the only zombie anime that i have seen and it does stupid shit like that but it isnt all that

 

[Contradiction]

Just thought I had to comment
I mean I laugh every time I see the headline pop-up ranging from a nice chuckle to a full on minutes worth or mirth and it pops up quite a bit.

 

[LazyAza]

In my experience with games the more mainstream a title tries to be the less true to its real self it ends up, ultimately harming it's overall potential and unique qualities. There is nothing wrong with blatant sexualization in anything, if that's a part of a piece of entertainments selling point then it should remain in tact. Their isn't an ounce of misogyny in the DoA franchise, it's just a series that is comfortable with pandering to a certain demographic, anyone who has strong negative feelings towards the games for that shouldn't play them, simple as that.

I've never been offended or put off by the DoA boobs, it's just an element of the games I can laugh at for being so dumb. Instead of people thinking -everything- should be X or Y in order to appeal to number of people Z perhaps more people should just broaden their interests and perhaps stop being so kneejerky and nitpicky in their judgments of entertainment.

 

[Playful Pony]

oh ya backstory on that girl is wearing a harness for a sniper rifle and it wont come off so he lays her down and shoots the rifle off her chest

Well, that's shameless fanservice justified then X3.

im not so sure that would be entertaining.... simply for the fact that something would get blown off..... on second thought that would be AWESOME

i have seen the show and its... ok its like the only zombie anime that i have seen and it does stupid shit like that but it isnt all that

Watching that thing again, the boob-bullet-dodging makes me laugh... It's so silly! I wish I could controll my breasts like that! I'd go to town every night and beat unsuspecting men up with my chestarea. Titslap will have a whole new meaning...

No wonder the guy misses, his view is blocked by a now deaf girl's bruised and mistreated breasts. Also, where did he get that (looks like) SR-25, are they not in highschool? (going by the name here...) I couldn't really get a look at the gun, focus was constantly on jiggling opressed boobs and skimpy underwear Oo.

Bullet-dodging penis would actually make more sense, would it not? At least men have muscles in the damn thing, breasts can NOT move on their own! ... I wouldn't put it beyond the Escapist users to find and post a video of someones breasts moving on their own now...

 

[Username Redacted]

On-Topic: Just stop. If you want people to take your game seriously, stop. Tekken has boxing kangaroos and it's less of a laughing stock than DoA.

It also has a bear. I would also like to point out that the hardcore Tekken fans that I know don't especially like the two most recent entries in the series (Tekken 6, Tekken Tag Tournament 2). By most accounts that I've seen the jiggle physics obsessed man-children who make DoA have actually stumbled into making an actual fighting game this time around as opposed to a glorified rock-paper-scissors simulator with titties. Perhaps the Mayans where on to something.

 

[cynicalsaint1]

I think the problem here isn't that DoA needs to "Tone down the sexiness" its the automatic assumption that "Bigger Tits" = "Sexiness".

There are other ways to make a woman sexy than enormous boobs and extreme jiggle physics.

 

[Taunta]

I can't get mad at you for having boobs DoA. I just wish a thing existed with scantily-clad men dodging bullets with their bouncy packages. (I feel dirty for watching that video)I would also like it better if the boobs didn't just sway in the wind "because they feel like it".

This just in: Team Ninja doesn't know how real life boobs work.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, I'm really getting tired of the idea that Sexy Ladies = Size 00 ladies with tits the size of watermelons, because it's perpetuating this dangerous and ridiculous standard of beauty. Reality check boys, most women who have the waistline of a piece of paper have pretty small breasts to match, unless they're implants.

This just in: Team Ninja doesn't know how real life boobs work.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Not worried at all.

I mean, I know we've established I'm about as sexist as a person can be (see Femenist thread), but that's pretty much what Dead or Alive games are for now. It's not trying to assert that you should expect this level of breasts or that it is normal, it's not trying to have characters taken seriously or prove a point, it's just playing to its strengths. And if bigger breasts is going to keep fans interested...you gotta do what you gotta do.

I'm just going to say that a developer should be wary of what its fans want. I don't think it wants to end up with an insular community of players who have exactly the game they want, and it being inaccessible to anyone else because they just can't handle those DAMN BREASTS. Also look at ME3 (yeah I know, but there's an example for everything in there) - speaking as not particularly a fan but decently a fan, revealing Tali's face was a bad decision. And I get the feeling a lot of other fans, non-fans and half-fans feel that way as well. To relate back to this, Team Ninja need to make sure they've not just asked the one group of fans who wants enormous breasts and then find out that most of the playerbase would actually prefer ones smaller than enormous.

(What do I care, I'm not buying it anyway...)

EDIT: Actually, thinking about it, large breasts that are also believable would be a considerable and lasting innovation for the games industry. That's got to be worth a whole game.

 

[ProtoChimp]

They've got it all wrong, it's not the size that matters but the quality of the jiggle physics. They need to innovate in that space instead.

And no wonder the "overseas office" would just follow the latest trend without doing proper market research first

Your right there, but there shouldn't be a right answer to this debate because this SHOULDN'T BE A FUCKING DEBATE!

Capcha: be nice. FUCK YOU CAPCHA! YOU DON'T HAVE A SOUL!!!

 

[Rainboq]

They've got it all wrong, it's not the size that matters but the quality of the jiggle physics. They need to innovate in that space instead.

They should take notes from this. I don't think it's possible to top it for sheer absurdity in either size or jiggliness. People have done extended analyses of it trying to work out the physics involved and come to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

Spoiler

I... Just.... WTF Japan.

Yeah! who the hell misses slow moving targets with a fucking sniper riffle!

Pretty easily actually. But that's not the point. BOOBS DON'T WORK THAT WAY.

 

[Echopunk]

The last DOA game I purchased was DOA2:Hardcore. I tried one of the later ones (3?) at a friend's place and wasn't impressed enough to buy it. I remember people talking about the jiggling, and how if you set your age to 99 it was supposed to become even more exaggerated, but that wasn't why I played the game.

I played the game because I enjoyed the fighting mechanics. It was one of those rare games where you could actually play it, as a trained martial artist, and destroy button mashers every single time. Gone were the days of being stomped by an opponent who picked a certain character and just beat the hell out of two buttons to victory, or playing a JKD guy who has to rely on stringing backflip kicks together most of the time...

Instead of fireballs, hurricane kicks, and teleport spears, you get a variety of punches, kicks, throws and grapples. The system was very combo friendly, without being as gimmicky/glitchy about it as your Killer Instincts of yore. You can, and thanks to the countering option, need, to vary your attacks.

Of course, another reason that game has such a fond place in my memory is that it was one of my first PS2 games, and I played it a lot with friends who were into fighting games.

I had a friend over a couple of weeks ago, and we played DOA2 for the first time in years and still had a blast with it.

The game has always been guilty of that anime trend of putting innocent childlike faces on top of "mature" body types. If they re-skinned the game (which they won't) to make everyone realistic, appear to be the age they are supposed to be, and normally proportioned - I would still play it, if the fighting mechanics were there.

Hearing that they are planning to further inflate what have always bordered on the ridiculous makes me think I'll be giving this new one a pass. After all, if that were all I wanted from it, I could just go sew a couple of volley balls to my wooden training dummy and be done with it.

 

[lockgar]

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