Dead Space 3 Review
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What's with all of the "I refuse to support EA" stuff? I mean, I understand the point of view, but it really is illogical if you look at it.
Most of the money from games sold goes to the developer (Visceral), not the publisher (EA), though they do take a cut. The idea of not buying the game because you don't like what EA has done to is dumb because:
A) You're hurting the developer more than you're hurting the publisher by not buying it. EA has all the money in the world; it's the Dead Space IP that will suffer for not making enough profit, not EA.
B) Look at it from EA's perspective. They have this (from a sales perspective, when compared to other franchises) so-so IP known as Dead Space that they feel holds little sway with the "mainsteam" (as evidenced by their attempts to bring it out of the horror niche and into a more popular audience). If, even after the attempts they have taken to make the franchise more accessible the game still sells poorly, they will not see it as "Wow, it looks like gamers are really tired of our bullshit!" They will see it as "Well, looks like we were right." and cut the franchise.
Solution: Going out of your way to not buy the game as some form of protest is silly. Buy it (or don't) based on whether you want to play it. But if you do buy it, give EA hell for it. As Jim Sterling once said, EA doesn't care about people that don't buy their games. But if their paying customers raise hell, THAT is how they will be forced to respond.
Most of the money from games sold goes to the developer (Visceral), not the publisher (EA), though they do take a cut. The idea of not buying the game because you don't like what EA has done to is dumb because:
A) You're hurting the developer more than you're hurting the publisher by not buying it. EA has all the money in the world; it's the Dead Space IP that will suffer for not making enough profit, not EA.
B) Look at it from EA's perspective. They have this (from a sales perspective, when compared to other franchises) so-so IP known as Dead Space that they feel holds little sway with the "mainsteam" (as evidenced by their attempts to bring it out of the horror niche and into a more popular audience). If, even after the attempts they have taken to make the franchise more accessible the game still sells poorly, they will not see it as "Wow, it looks like gamers are really tired of our bullshit!" They will see it as "Well, looks like we were right." and cut the franchise.
Solution: Going out of your way to not buy the game as some form of protest is silly. Buy it (or don't) based on whether you want to play it. But if you do buy it, give EA hell for it. As Jim Sterling once said, EA doesn't care about people that don't buy their games. But if their paying customers raise hell, THAT is how they will be forced to respond.
Do I smell a little reverse-pretention in the air here?deathbydeath said:
I personally applaud anyone who's willing to forgo a gaming experience they would otherwise have enjoyed to keep from encouraging EA. Just because EA's in the business of making money (pardon my redundancy) doesn't excuse them to do whatever the hell they want. However, everyone putting up with it and giving them money anyway does enable them to do whatever the hell they want. So, kudos to tmande2nd and anyone like him.
The way I read the final score of this review is 3/5. 1 star subtracted for microtransactions. In this context I consider it a sinister business practice that smears chunky crap on the face of the game. All they have to do is design the game with restricted access to the resources you need, so the impatient will pay for it. That is a manufactured need, that only exists because EA is seeing how much they can get away with. Don't encourage the corporate trolls, people! I don't care how nice their suits are.
I was a little worried about this game, but I'm glad it doesn't depart too much from what I gather. If I go into this game like an Aliens sequel then I think I will have a blast.
You mentioned resources, is there a limit to how much stuff you can carry, or can you practically carry as many materials as you'd like?
You mentioned resources, is there a limit to how much stuff you can carry, or can you practically carry as many materials as you'd like?
No limit to the resources you can carry, nope, but you are limited to the number of items (med kits, ammo clips, etc.) you can carry.Fiz_The_Toaster said:
As for your Aliens reference, I totally felt like Vasquez the entire time. It really, really channels an Aliens vibe.
Okay, that makes sense. I had a feeling the regular stuff like ammo would be, but I wasn't quite sure about the resources and how that would balance. I think I have a fairly good grasp on what they're trying to do now. I hope anyways.Susan Arendt said:
Vasquez, you say?
Well damn, now I'm super excited.
I already said I should've reworded that comment, so moving on.braincore02 said:
Unless I'm mistaken, and upon buying the game Visceral forces you to purchase DLC, then don't buy the damn DLC if you don't like the damn DLC. If you think you would like the game, then buy the game. Bam, problem solved! No need to whine or rant, just support what you want with your wallet.
Well, it's not that Isaac ever gets a Vasquez-style gun (though some come damn close), I'm just more likely to picture her than Hicks when I play.Fiz_The_Toaster said:Okay, that makes sense. I had a feeling the regular stuff like ammo would be, but I wasn't quite sure about the resources and how that would balance. I think I have a fairly good grasp on what they're trying to do now. I hope anyways.Susan Arendt said:
Vasquez, you say?
Well damn, now I'm super excited.
Hey guys!deathbydeath said:
We totally understand that you have some strong opinions about this game, and are more than happy to provide a place for you to discuss the subject at your leisure. However, I'd like to remind you (and everyone else) to keep an eye on the tone. We have strict policies here against antagonism and personal attacks, and try to foster an environment in which people can share their opinions without fear of ridicule or hostility. Please remember to keep your criticisms strictly constructive, the mods really don't enjoy handing out warnings.
Thank you so much
In the case of Dead Space, Visceral is EA. Visceral is a company that was created and is wholly owned by Electronic Arts. Here is the first sentence from Visceral's wikipedia page: "Visceral Games (formerly EA Redwood Shores[1]) is a video game development studio internally owned by Electronic Arts."Doopliss64 said:
As for your "solution", it is completely and utterly stupid. All EA cares about is how much money they make. EA is a corporation through and through and will do what they want to make money even if it comes at the expense of their consumers. If you buy an EA game and then start bitching and raising hell EA isn't going to care, they already have your money, you already gave them your support. In this industry the consumers' power comes from voting with their wallets. If people don't like something that a publisher or developer is doing then not giving them money is how they show their view of the developer or publisher's actions.
Well, that's a total bummer. Although, I'm fairly sure there will probably be some ridiculously awesome guns that you can create.Susan Arendt said:Well, it's not that Isaac ever gets a Vasquez-style gun (though some come damn close), I'm just more likely to picture her than Hicks when I play.Fiz_The_Toaster said:Okay, that makes sense. I had a feeling the regular stuff like ammo would be, but I wasn't quite sure about the resources and how that would balance. I think I have a fairly good grasp on what they're trying to do now. I hope anyways.Susan Arendt said:
Vasquez, you say?
Well damn, now I'm super excited.
Still, I'd probably go with Vasquez over Hicks, but if I do co-op I can pretend that my buddy is Hicks.
Yes, Visceral Games is OWNED BY Electronic Arts. However, they are a seperable entity from the publisher EA. Publishers and developers are not the same thing.romanator0 said:
Secondly, my point is that boycotting Dead Space will only send the message that gamers don't like Dead Space, not that gamers don't like EA's business practices. Let's say we lived in a perfect world where every gamer ever joined forces, took a stand against EA, and didn't buy Dead Space 3. If you were EA, looking at your yearly sales bar graph (or whatever it is they have) what do you see? You see all of your IPs doing very well, except for the one you were already on the fence about. That data doesn't say "Our business practices are immoral," it says "Dead Space is not a viable franchise," or more broadly, "Survival-horror doesn't sell," which would just reconfirm their suspicions that everything must be made more mainstream, and cause them to either go full-stop in making the next game Gears of War or just cancel the franchise entirely and tell Visceral to eat shit (as EA is wont to do).
Love the sarcasm, beauty!!!knight steel said:
OK I expected this to be a lot worse... a lot of people did actually attack EA for microtransactions (including myself) and due to EA's actions recently, believe that microtransactions were going to be that far in your face that it would be the ONLY way to win (pay to win NOT A GOOD IDEA).
I'm glad to hear (after Jimquisition's IP talk on Dead Space) that they will not be (completely) ruining Dead Space
Well I'm not whining or ranting, so I'm not sure why you mention it.deathbydeath said:
I am, however, pointing out that if people play into EA's game (I blame EA for these types of business practices more than any developer), then this will become business as usual, if it isn't already, which it arguably is. So now many EA titles are released with features intentionally removed so you can buy them later. If this were 6 or so years ago, they would've been included in the initial price.
So I voice my encouragement to everyone to avoid microtransacting. And again, kudos to anyone who just doesn't give EA money.
If Bioshock Infinite weren't right around the corner and I wasn't saving my money for it, I would probably buy this. I'll still pick it up eventually I'm sure, but I just don't know when.
I've always played Dead Space for the fun gameplay and genuiniely enjoyable sci-fi story rather than for the "horror"; but the overarching creepiness adds a nice touch. I'm glad that it hasn't gone 100% Bro and abandoned everything I enjoyed previously; as long as it's still Dead Space, I should be happy.
I've always played Dead Space for the fun gameplay and genuiniely enjoyable sci-fi story rather than for the "horror"; but the overarching creepiness adds a nice touch. I'm glad that it hasn't gone 100% Bro and abandoned everything I enjoyed previously; as long as it's still Dead Space, I should be happy.
Just my 2 cents on the IGN hate, the reviewer's complaints are somewhat "nonsensical".ForgottenPr0digy said:
Some of the biggest complaints the guy has are:
Backtracking: Very prominent in Dead Space 1 and somewhat in 2.
"Fetch Quests" or go find 3 of this or arrange X number of things: Once again a staple of the previous 2 games.
Far Fetched Story: Once again both stories from the previous two are a bit nonsensical.
It's one of those things where it's like you really can't hold a trope of a game against it if you didn't complain about it in the previous games, it's one of those expected parts of the games and to bash it so hard for that is kind of silly/wrong.
Sarcasm?...........Yes sarcasm.....I was defiantly using sarcasm......I was not serious.....at all.IKWerewolf said: