Haven't read any of DP(hehe) comics, but from what i've seen so far it'd only make sense for him wanting to bone any quirky character that's out there, regardless male or female.
So hey, if he wants to dick short chubby greek goat-men...
We are talking about deadpool here.
Even so, no issue with it being as the article says.
There's a lot of room in his scarred, broken heart but nothing and no one can take the place of Death and dearly departed Bea Arthur.
So please tell me, how do you announce a character having a unique sexuality without being smug. Because if they had been subtle about it I'd bet hard money that half of the people currently criticizing them who criticize them for being too subtle and taking the coward's way out.
I don't really see what's so smug about "I want that quoted, pansexual Deadpool"
So please tell me, how do you announce a character having a unique sexuality without being smug. Because if they had been subtle about it I'd bet hard money that half of the people currently criticizing them who criticize them for being too subtle and taking the coward's way out.
I don't really see what's so smug about "I want that quoted, pansexual Deadpool"
You just don't, announcing it doesn't serve any purpose, if it's in the film and people doesn't catch it it's the director's fault (heck, finding it necessary to announce it beforehand is pretty much putting a disclaimer "he likes man but it will only be implied".
Besides, like lesbians, bisexuality/pansexuality is pretty cowardly in itself, as unless involving actual romantic scene between man (again, likely not gonna happen) it will still be the "prettier love", either go full gay or don't go at all.
And "I want that quoted" is smug even before what comes next, as if it's a fucking revelation.
Then the filmaker also shouldn't have announced that Deadpool would be breaking the fourth wall. Except he did because
he wants people to know what kind of movie he's making and I fail to see what's so horrible about that. And it will only be implied? Sources.
Please tell me how anything other than a homosexual man is cowardly. Please. Tell me how in order to not be cowardly you need to limit yourself. Full gay? You've never heard of the Kinsley Scale have you?
Sexuality is a hell of a lot more complicated than "check the boxes of the genitals you like" So saying that being anything other than full gay is cowardly is a slap in the face to the LGBT crowd and evidence that you knowledge on sexuality is rather lacking. And lesbians are the cowards way out only if you use them as eye candy. Contrary to popular belief, women who like over women are not accepted, they're just seen as eye candy and plenty of men still try to sleep with lesbians. There's a difference between accepting someone for who they are, and just thinking what they're doing is hot without giving it any respect. And this whole thing is based on you assuming there won't be any guy on guy love, and I remember you criticizing me for assuming that Metroid Federation Force would be shit. So are you allowed to make assumptions of works that haven't been released yet or not?
Well considering not many people know that Deadpool isn't supposed to be hetero, apparently it IS a fucking revelation.
So please tell me, how do you announce a character having a unique sexuality without being smug. Because if they had been subtle about it I'd bet hard money that half of the people currently criticizing them who criticize them for being too subtle and taking the coward's way out.
I don't really see what's so smug about "I want that quoted, pansexual Deadpool"
You just don't, announcing it doesn't serve any purpose, if it's in the film and people doesn't catch it it's the director's fault (heck, finding it necessary to announce it beforehand is pretty much putting a disclaimer "he likes man but it will only be implied".
Besides, like lesbians, bisexuality/pansexuality is pretty cowardly in itself, as unless involving actual romantic scene between man (again, likely not gonna happen) it will still be the "prettier love", either go full gay or don't go at all.
And "I want that quoted" is smug even before what comes next, as if it's a fucking revelation.
Then the filmaker also shouldn't have announced that Deadpool would be breaking the fourth wall. Except he did because
he wants people to know what kind of movie he's making and I fail to see what's so horrible about that. And it will only be implied? Sources.
Please tell me how anything other than a homosexual man is cowardly. Please. Tell me how in order to not be cowardly you need to limit yourself. Full gay? You've never heard of the Kinsley Scale have you?
Sexuality is a hell of a lot more complicated than "check the boxes of the genitals you like" So saying that being anything other than full gay is cowardly is a slap in the face to the LGBT crowd and evidence that you knowledge on sexuality is rather lacking. And lesbians are the cowards way out only if you use them as eye candy. Contrary to popular belief, women who like over women are not accepted, they're just seen as eye candy and plenty of men still try to sleep with lesbians. There's a difference between accepting someone for who they are, and just thinking what they're doing is hot without giving it any respect.
Well considering not many people know that Deadpool isn't supposed to be hetero, apparently it IS a fucking revelation.
Posters in this thread have by and large all recognized that Dead Pool, regardless of anything else, is out of his mind. I think it borders on irresponsible to assign a sexuality to Dead Pool at this point, given he's as likely to engage in a romantic affair with a woman as he is with her pocket protector. And I don't just mean sex, I mean Dead Pool's a romantic sort of crazy, and he'd woo that pocket protector bud, you better believe it.
Dead Pool isn't supposed to be 'sane'. His sexuality is no more stable then any other aspect of his personality. And it was redundant to announce that Dead Pool would be breaking the 4th wall, as surely as it was to assign a sexuality to a frankly chaotic madman. If the movie didn't have Dead Pool breaking the 4th wall it would be hit with the 'no true Dead Pool' lines, and rightly so. If Dead Pool's sexuality was in any way normal it would likely be confronted with a similar statement from his fans.
Frankly I'm a little surprised the LGBT community isn't complaining about this. They complained about the casting of a gay character as a villain in Sky Fall, suggesting it was meant to villainize homosexuals. Surely suggesting Dead Pool is anything sexual might be seen as similar effort given that yes, he's as likely to be incline to a romance with whoever as he is to be inclined towards a romance with whoever's kitchen appliances. After all Dead Pool is crazy as sure as the bad guy in Bond was a villain. So if one hints at villianizing the other should naturally speak to 'crazyfying.'
But of course it worked, everyone's talking about the upcoming Dead Pool movie and that's what studios and directors want. What I want is a finished product. I'm looking forward to this movie, regardless of redundant press drumming statements that ought to be implicit in the material itself.
Having pansexual/bisexual characters in media is cowardly? A pansexual/bisexual man in a relationship with a woman is basically straight? Please, continue. I don't think you're being biphobic enough.
I've said it before but you can't satisfy these people who seem to have a problem with queer people existing in media. If a character's sexuality isn't that important to the story then it's "tokenism" or some such nonsense and the creators are "just trying to appeal to people." If a character's sexuality is important to the plot or their character then it's "all about them being queer" and they "shove it down your throat." Not only that, all of a sudden you aren't interested at all because you don't want to consume stories about queer people where being queer is an important part of the story. If you adapt a character and change their sexuality making them queer they'll complain about it because it isn't true to the source material. If you adapt a queer character and have them still be queer, being the same sexuality as they are in the source material and being true to the source material, then as evidenced by this thread, they'll still fucking complain about it.
You just don't, announcing it doesn't serve any purpose, if it's in the film and people doesn't catch it it's the director's fault (heck, finding it necessary to announce it beforehand is pretty much putting a disclaimer "he likes man but it will only be implied".
Why not? I mean, Deadpool is not a new character who was invented for this movie. The confirmation is more for the fans and the general understanding, seeing as sexualities tend to be erased and everyone is assumed hetero. So the author pretty much said "Yeah, okay, this is official now, don't forget it; he's pansexual." The movie will be a two hour experience with, I guess, a plot that won't revolve around Deadpool trying to put it in a variety of people so you can't really have a visual confirmation. You could perhaps have an off-hand comment where he says that he's attracted to everyone regardless of gender or him outright saying "I'm pansexual," but I'm pretty sure this would be met with equal outrage as the confirmation is. Why did he say it? Why do we have to know his sexuality? Why is it confirmed? Why are we talking about it at all? And the ancient proverb: "Who cares?"
It all translates into: "I don't care about anything other than heterosexuality, please stop existing in media." You probably don't really think like this, but it's the implication behind the words you're saying.
Besides, like lesbians, bisexuality/pansexuality is pretty cowardly in itself, as unless involving actual romantic scene between man (again, likely not gonna happen) it will still be the "prettier love", either go full gay or don't go at all.
What? Lesbians exist, right? So do bisexuals and pansexuals (let's also not forget asexuals). They deserve to be visible in media just as much as gay men and heterosexual people. As a matter of fact, for all the popularity of lesbians, they tend to be extremely fetishized, overly sexualized and stereotyped so I can't really say that their representation is really good or that it helps the lesbian community. And yes, romance between two men still carries more stigma, but that's not the reason to only ever have gay men represent the entire LGBT spectrum. Also, when a bisexual man is in a relationship with a man, he's still bisexual. It would be nice if mainstream media dared include more direct visual presentations of gay men, but let's not run over the rest of the LGBT population for the sake of it. So yes, more gay men would be nice, but let's not shit on every other LGBT issue as if lesbians and bisexuals are personally stealing the spotlight away from them and that creators are "cowards."
Also, please. The confirmation came because a fan asked the author on Twitter. It wasn't "announced" or stuffed in our faces. A fan asked. The author replied.
Ah, so he's into boning everything like Zeus.
Because literally, put something in front of the guy that 'appears' attractive and Zeus will try to put his dick in it.
Don't forget that Zeus has a womb in his penis and that he would birth gods and demigods out of his urethra... Dammit DeviantArt, where's my scene where Deadpool is birthing the spawn of him and Spider-Man through his pee hole? Disappointed in them for not having that.
I know people who openly profess to be Dragonkin, doesn't make that real either. You being insulted is up to you, not me.
As for comparing to to the others, Transgender isn't a sexuality, it's a gender. Bisexuals and Homosexuals are categories that describe actual sexualities, not special subcategories that don't have any real distinction.
Well otherkin as practiced by the vast majority of people anymore has lost a lot of it's mystic/spiritual meaning, because it's been hijacked by the type of crowd that swarms to tumblr, the people who do say they're anything to seem unique. Now the; "You being insulted is up to you, not me." That sort of thing always strikes me as a cop out, palming off one's own responsibility for being blatantly insensitive, while at the same time excusing not educating one's self.
First of all transgender isn't a sexuality, it's also not a single gender. There are trans men, trans women, and tons of other gender identities that fall within the general spectrum of transgender, when transgender is used as an umbrella term. Although, non-binary as it's own umbrella term often crosses over with a lot of what is considered to be under the spectrum of transgender and visa versa. So transgender is not a a gender, it's a spectrum of non-cisgender gender identities, as is non-binary.
Speaking of sexuality, heterosexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality are not just three standard check boxes that are randomly assigned, they're a spectrum to. Since erttheking already posted the Kinsey Scale, I'll quote it:
Sexuality is a hell of a lot more complicated than "check the boxes of the genitals you like" So saying that being anything other than full gay is cowardly is a slap in the face to the LGBT crowd and evidence that you knowledge on sexuality is rather lacking. And lesbians are the cowards way out only if you use them as eye candy. Contrary to popular belief, women who like over women are not accepted, they're just seen as eye candy and plenty of men still try to sleep with lesbians. There's a difference between accepting someone for who they are, and just thinking what they're doing is hot without giving it any respect.
Anyways the reason I brought up gender identities, specifically transgender, along sexualities like homosexuality, bisexuality, and asexuality is for one reason. Plenty of people say that trans identities are invalid, fictional if you will, even homosexual people will say that transgender identities are fictional identities, that trans folk are just confused gay, or lesbian people. Tons of people also write off bisexuality and asexuality, while lots of heterosexuals do this, lesbian and gay folk also do it too. Essentially that's the same attitude you displayed by writing off pansexual folk, that was my initial point.
You have given me one more thing to address:
dirtysteve said:
I know people who openly profess to be Dragonkin, doesn't make that real either.
This is an argument I've come to call; "the otherkin argument", and it's one of the most ignorant and insensitive ones I see on a regular basis. Now here you used it against pansexual folk, but it's also used to invalidate the lives and identities of trans folk, it's used to invalidate the sexuality of lesbian, gay, bisexual, asexual, and basically every sexuality that isn't heterosexual. The problem here is that there is scientific proof, growing scientific proof, that substantiates the existence of LGBTIQ+ folk. Because of that the otherkin argument is one used to back up a positiong of ignorance and an unwillingness to be educated at all, also it's used to back up prejudice and discrimination. So you can kinda see why that sort of talk irritates me. This doesn't mean I think that you're a transphobe, homophobe, or prejudice against people of various sexualities, gender identities, or what have you; however, you are propagating an argument that has done and is doing serious damage to people in the LGBTIQ+ spectrum. That's something I take issue with.
Edit: I should clarify, the reason the otherkin argument gets any credence is because there is no scientific evidence to back otherkin identities up at all.
Deadpool has been married to an alien hippopotamus, and is in love with death (seems like a female undead). However I have not seen anything where Deadpool has expressed any attraction at all to males. The alien hippo was female of her species.
However he does express strong attraction to traditionally beautiful human women all the time, and beds quite a few of them, going so far as to conceive a daughter while battling the white man and sporting an Afro. That's right, you heard me.
As far as i know, Deadpool has never even encountered an individual that would qualify as trans or non-binary or intersex, or whatever. I could be wrong about this, its not as if i have committed every bit character to memory unless they were hilarious or awesome in some way.
source: Ive read all the deadpool I could find in my local network of libraries, the amount is extensive.
the following is an assortment of deadpool's known lovers. Some may be figments of his insanity.
1. What? I fail to see your point, especially since DP breaking the 4th wall is a pretty central character part rather than his sexuality (plus I find it as assurance that it won't be a dark and gritty action film).
2. Because lesbians are lesbians and bisexuals who's main love interest is females are not really different than straight people? I'm not a main movie buff but I don't remember a man on man sex scene in a film yet.
3. I didn't say that they don't exist, so your accusation is pretty meaningless, but you know what, fine, if it's not a male of 3 (with main love being male),4,5 or 6 than it's cowardly.
4. But it's not a revelation, it's the sexuality of a comic book character, it's petty fan boy wars.
...So wait. It's ok to make an annocunement about a character for something that should be an obvious part of his character, but an announcement on his sexuality, which is clearly a new development for many, shouldn't get an announcement and they should just include that in the movie and have people figure it out? By your own logic, shouldn't people just figure out Deadpool breaks the fourth way? Why does one announcement get your scorn but not the other?
No. A thousand times no. In fact, this kind of reminds me that biesexuals catch a lot of flak from gay rights activists for not being "real" LGBT people. In fact I've heard biesexual women who date men get criticized as being "bad lesbians." Is...is that really a behavior you want to emulate? Sexuality is more than just the gender of the people you see people fucking on screen. You seem to have an issue when people call it cowardly to have a main character being white straight and male being lazy, so why do you suddenly have an issue with people taking the "cowardly" route, especially when this is far from the cowardly route.
You miss my point. You're basically saying any representation of anything LGBT sexuality that doesn't involve two men kissing is cowardly. The whole range of possible LGBT characters, and you say the only acceptable presentation is one that involves a dude fucking another dude. As someone who is a friend with two biesexuals, a gender fluid pansexual, a transgender biesexual and an asexual, I find this mindset to both unfair and limiting. I mean you're the one always calling for artistic freedom. Now all of a sudden it has to be dick on dick or it's cowardly?
The petty war part of this seems to be everyone getting up in arms over Deadpool having a sexuality that, frankly, doesn't really seem that OOC for him.
I was not aware that deadpools sexuality was such a major point of his character in any way or form besides the ocasional sex joke.
I just wish people could stop making such a huge stink about who has what type of sexuality in this day and age. All it does is needlesly categorize people into collectives and create us vs them scenarios... you know.. like gender studies.
Ah, so he's into boning everything like Zeus.
Because literally, put something in front of the guy that 'appears' attractive and Zeus will try to put his dick in it.
Funny, I always thought Pansexual meant someone who'd bone anything--including animals (though in Zeus' case he was a swan boning a mortal woman, IIRC).
I guess Zeus would be what folks refer to as Omnisexual: If it moves--bone it.
Or would Omnisexual also include necrophilia? That's sorta what Deadpool does when he's getting it on with Death, herself...I think...
I'm so confused about the new gender/sexuality terminologies that show up these days!
Hmmm...it never occurred to me until just now that Europe was named after an act of kidnapping and beastiality. Huh, I wonder why my high school history teachers never mentioned that bit of trivia? ^_^
I'll go ahead and be the cyncial one, but this sounds like one of those things where at first people are going to be really happy and excited about it, because it shows more acceptance for people who identify as 'pansexual', plus it shows that a character who isn't standard heterosexual can still be ultra-badass. And then...
those same people will realize that Deadpool is completely bat-shit insane, and then they'll get offended because now they'll claim it's implying that only people who are mentally deranged would identify as pansexual.
No bet there man. These people turned of Joss Wheadon. They've proven time and again that they'll eat their own the moment anyone steps out of line to ANY degree.
I was not aware that deadpools sexuality was such a major point of his character in any way or form besides the ocasional sex joke.
I just wish people could stop making such a huge stink about who has what type of sexuality in this day and age. All it does is needlesly categorize people into collectives and create us vs them scenarios... you know.. like gender studies.
Well if nothing else, it IS true of him in the comics. He and Cable had some VERY homoerotic overtones, and Deadpool is attracted to Thor. A hole's a goal with the guy when you get right down to it.
Pretty much the only time Deadpool regretted sleeping with someone was when he slept with a female version of himself from an alternate universe. That was weird even by his standards.
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